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Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2:
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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: SalviaEngland]
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God damn man! Wonderful job with those. I would love to add one of those spirits to my collection. No luck getting seeds though. Not as much growth though as i would expect from your last pics of them.

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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: SalviaEngland]
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How did you germinate your seeds? I have some but have not found any good information on getting them started. It also looks like you have a humidity tent set up. I assume that is to ensure optimum growth. Any additional advice you can give would be much appreciated.


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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: Egyn]
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I followed the erowid suggestions @ ( http://www.erowid.org/plants/psychotria/psychotria_cultivation1.shtml ) with some success (10 germinated out of 20). I was unsure about soaking the Psychotria viridis seeds for about 15 minutes in a mild bleach solution , so I reduced the suggested dilution to 1/4 Tbs bleach in a cup (8 oz) of water but socked for 30 min. The 10 seeds all germinated when the temperature was between 27 - 32 C. It took 12 weeks but temperatures were lower for the first 8 weeks 20 - 25 C.

They are gown inside a humidity tent, with fresh air pumped with an aquarium pump into a container of water. They look very healthy under these conditions but growth is very slow. I have started feeding them with fertiliser for acid loving plants, which they seem to like. Soil is 50/50 peat and perlite, lots of drainage but the soil is kept wet because of the high humidity.




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Edited by SalviaEngland (09/01/02 11:20 AM)

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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: SalviaEngland]
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Thanks for the info. Do you think a peroxide soak would be better than bleach? I am worried that the clorine will damage or kill the plants.


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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: Egyn]
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Sorry to get off topic but whats the back story to this plant? Is it psychoactive? Any native history?

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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: Fd3000]
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"Ayahuasca is unique in that its pharmacological activity is dependent on a synergistic interaction between the active alkaloids in the plants. One of the components, the bark of Banisteriopsis caapi, contains ?-carboline alkaloids, which are potent MAO-A inhibitors; the other component, the leaves of Psychotria viridis or related species, contains the potent short-acting psychoactive agent N,N-dimethyltryptamine (DMT). DMT is not orally active when ingested by itself, but can be rendered orally active in the presence of a peripheral MAO inhibitor - and this interaction is the basis of the psychotropic action of ayahuasca (McKenna, Towers, & Abbott, 1984).

1 Botanical sources of ayahuasca

In a traditional context, Ayahuasca is a beverage prepared by boiling - or soaking - the bark and stems of Banisteriopsis caapi together with various admixture plants. The admixture employed most commonly is the Rubiaceous genus Psychotria, particularly P. viridis. The leaves of P. viridis contains alkaloids which are necessary for the psychoactive effect (see the sections on chemistry and pharmacology, below). There are also reports (Schultes, 1972) that other Psychotria species, especially P. leiocarpa or P. carthaginensis, are used instead of P. viridis, but such reports may be due to a botanical misidentification; in any case, use of Psychotria species other than P. viridis is rare. In the Northwest Amazon, particularly in the Colombian Putumayo and Ecuador, the leaves of Diplopterys cabrerana, a jungle liana in the same family as Banisteriopsis, are added to the brew in lieu of the leaves of Psychotria. The alkaloid present in Diplopterys, however, is identical to that in the Psychotria admixtures, and pharmacologically, the effect is the same. In Peru, various admixtures in addition to Psychotria or Dipolopterys are frequently added, depending on the magical, medical, or religious purposes for which the drug is being consumed. Although a virtual pharmacopoeia of admixtures are occasionally added, the most commonly employed admixtures (other than Psychotria, which is a constant component of the preparation) are various Solanaceous genera, including tobacco (Nicotiana sp.), Brugmansia sp., and Brunfelsia sp. (Schultes, 1972; McKenna, et al., 1995). These Solanaceous genera are known to contain alkaloids, such as nicotine, scopalamine, and atropine, which effect both central and peripheral adrenergic and cholinergic neurotransmission. The interactions of such agents with serotonergic agonists and MAO inhibitors are essentially unknown in modern medicine. "

FROM :The Scientific Investigation of Ayahuasca
A Reviefw of Past and Current Research
by McKenna D, Callaway JC, Grob CS


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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: Egyn]
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"Thanks for the info. Do you think a peroxide soak would be better than bleach? I am worried that the clorine will damage or kill the plants."

Sorry don't know..

I would use bleach at lower concentrations, because it's known to work. If you have seeds to experiment with you could try both. Perhaps someone else has experience with the use of peroxide ?


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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: SalviaEngland]
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I only have 20 seeds, so I will split them and try peroxide and bleach. The bleach group would be as a control group since it is known to work. This means I will have to keep good records of the experiment. Will let everyone know the results when they come in.


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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: SalviaEngland]
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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: SalviaEngland]
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Interesting bit on erowid about how DMT levels fluctuated throughout the day. They found that the same plant had higher concentrations at dusk and dawn and lower concentrations at miday and midnight. Wierd.

Can this plant be dried and smoked or is it strictly for ingestion with a MAOI? Is the concentration of DMT high enough to make extraction practicle?


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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: Floydian]
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Yes, those findings published on Erowid are quite interesting; it's a very interesting plant with a long history of human use.

I have not ingested or prepared the plant in any way, but I believe you could extract DMT if you had the right facilities and it would be practical. The most common use would be to ingest it with an MAOI.


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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: SalviaEngland]
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Update:

Growth rate is significantly increasing after re-potting and feeding.






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Edited by SalviaEngland (10/16/02 09:24 AM)

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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: SalviaEngland]
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Nice!! Did you take them out the humidity tent now???


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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: psylo33o]
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Some were taken out of the humidity tent, but did not grow so I put them back.


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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: SalviaEngland]
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again, congratulations se. your chacrunas look impecable. i bet they'll grow like hell after their first year...

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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: felixhigh]
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pity they don't grow out of the tent.. bet it's starting to get crowded in there!!! congrats again!!


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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: SalviaEngland]
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nice! not surprised, you have the greenest thumb of the shroomery! :smile: 


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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: SalviaEngland]
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So how long did it take to grow to what they are now?

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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: TinMan]
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They took 12 weeks to germinate...

And they have been growing for about 30 weeks


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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: SalviaEngland]
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Update Pic.



Some black spots have developed on some of the leafs. Due to change in set-up and flea beetles pests...


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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: SalviaEngland]
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great SE! they look very vigorous!

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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: felixhigh]
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Is B.Caapi needed to brew ayahuasca or can some other maoi be used? Thanks

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Re: Psychotria viridis - Chacruna Update 2: [Re: LoverofEarth]
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SalviaEngland: those Psychotrias are absolutely beautiful looking.

LoverofEarth:
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Is B.Caapi needed to brew ayahuasca or can some other maoi be used? Thanks



You should be advised to take extreme care when selecting an maoi for a particualr tryptamine, or group of tryptamine, as there are serious potential dangers involved. i am not a o-chem major so i can't give any real specifics.
For my part, i just stick to harmala/cappi as the Beta-Carbolines therein are known to be safe for many commonly used tryptamines like DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, etc.
With a little research i'm sure it's not hard to find out for sure which MAOIs are safe to use, but if you don't know for sure, don't mess with them.
for a starting piont go here.
if anyone knows something i have said to be inacurate, please let me know, as i don't like to give out inacurate information when it comes to safety.


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Edited by concretefeet (02/22/03 05:33 PM)

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