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InvisibleSixTango
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Optimal Nutrients ?
    #854729 - 08/31/02 06:38 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I posed this question previously & didn't quite get the question across - properly  :frown:.

To rephrase it:

Does anyone know (or can direct me to ) what the optimal substrate nutrients general P.C. mushrooms thrive on --(as in nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, calcium, boron, soluable salts, carbon / nitrogen ratio, lig / cellulose & hemi/cellulose content, percentage or ratio?

Thanks for any help, pointers or direction! SixTango  :tongue:

 


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Re: Optimal Nutrients ? [Re: SixTango]
    #864835 - 09/05/02 02:17 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

"Bump" to keep the question -- alive  :confused:. SixTango  :tongue: 


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Re: Optimal Nutrients ? [Re: SixTango]
    #865264 - 09/05/02 06:21 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Unfortunately due to the general ban on research for these particular mushrooms finding such specific data might prove to be very difficult. Good luck anyway though.


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Re: Optimal Nutrients ? [Re: Alkaloids]
    #865347 - 09/05/02 07:51 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I hear ya. I wonder if there is any of the same info available, say for Portabella's?

SixTango  :tongue:


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Re: Optimal Nutrients ? [Re: SixTango]
    #867846 - 09/07/02 03:45 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.dsmz.de/dsmzhome.htm

i sopose this would be a good place to ask

why do you need it so exact


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Re: Optimal Nutrients ? [Re: bluepoo]
    #867858 - 09/07/02 03:50 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

My guess would be to build a super substrate... The mycelia growth would be so agressibe it would crawl full the holes in the lid, work it's way around the house slowly taking it over and making you a prisoner, all in it's plot to...
AWAY. I HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU TO MUCH!


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Re: Optimal Nutrients ? [Re: bluepoo]
    #867942 - 09/07/02 05:07 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the pointer.

I don't need it "so exact".

I would just like to get in a general ball park range  :smile:.

The reason is that........................

Well that's another story................. a rather commercial endevior.

SixTango  :tongue: 


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Re: Optimal Nutrients ? [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #867951 - 09/07/02 05:14 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

LOL, how did you know :wink:?

A new building material -- Myco/Homes. They grow as your family does.

Nope, it is another matter. The Raccoon ran into a situation where he can have a compost "made to suit", from an exacting industrial source. By the ton's & ton's, by the way & cheap, too  :grin:.

SixTango  :tongue:

 


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Re: Optimal Nutrients ? [Re: SixTango]
    #871164 - 09/09/02 12:05 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

try a search for a thread called "Enhanced Psilocybin Production (7.5 G Psilocybin)" by a guy called 00Zen


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Re: Optimal Nutrients ? [Re: SixTango]
    #873714 - 09/10/02 01:00 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Six, TMC and GG&MM mushrooms will have some of that info in them. Carbon/Nitrogen ratios and what-not in the compost sections. For other aspects, I think looking at the tables in the appendix would be a good start. They have nutritional breakdown of all types of grains, straws etc. By reverse engineering, you can get a decent idea of what you're looking for. For example, look at the phosphorous content of wheat straw (which we know works well as a substrate).

I can get you specific info from the books if you want. EM me.


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Re: Optimal Nutrients ? [Re: SixTango]
    #888032 - 09/17/02 06:33 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I use a diluted mix of miracle grow for garden plants for my gourmets. They seem to love it. Granted this is not a substrate but it helps in poor conditions.


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Re: Optimal Nutrients ? [Re: SixTango]
    #888088 - 09/17/02 07:03 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

hi
for higher psiloc(yb)in levels add 5-hydroxy tryptophane (seeds of griffonia simplicifolia). search the web you can buy it at vitamine stores etc.(5-HTP Tryptophan)
I just read this, didn't try it yet.
You could also add some brassinosteroids (but i think its not essential)
the mushroom might also need carbon hydrates (dont know if this is the right term, I only know German "Kohlenhydrate")
also maybe mushie will need amino acids
sorrs for bad spelling caus I'm really stoned from yamyam Hamburg-weed


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Re: Optimal Nutrients ? [Re: SixTango]
    #916182 - 09/29/02 10:07 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Check this link out... web page
I have added a lot of this to the water that I cook the grain in, and it seems to have really helped my flushes and even a noticable difference in my potency....for real and NO it wasnt just my mind or a placebo effect. Even my friends noticed it too.
Trace minerals are responsible for a variety of bio-chemical reactions, which is why they are so essential to the human body. The great thing about these trace minerals is that they are "ionic" and highly absorbable for any living person or fungus. :smile: 


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Re: Optimal Nutrients ? [Re: SurwinMaxawow]
    #916389 - 09/29/02 01:54 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like a great idea
How much did you add?


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Re: Optimal Nutrients ? [Re: zeta]
    #920429 - 10/01/02 04:49 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Zeta: These mineral drops are very concentrated. They are not the same as coloidal minerals if you are familiar with those. They are much more concentraited and also better than coloidal.
However, to use as a health supplement it recomends about 20 to 40 drops in jucie or water. I added quite a lot to the water that I pre-cooked my rye grain in, but I didnt exactly measure how much it was. But I did use a large amount of them untill I could taste them pretty well in the water. The drops themselves taste very nasty and will burn your mouth because they are so strong. I imagine that you might not want to add too much because the water would become so saturated with minerals that it might hurt the spores or make them hard to grow, kind of like trying to grow mycellium in saltwater...really strong saltwater....which would be bad for the fungi. Though these mineral drops have 99% of the sodium removed...but you get what I am trying to say right?
Anyways, the amount I added has seemed to only boost the growth and potency of my crop. I hope you and other people will try this out and experiment with it also. It would be great to get other people's experiences and feedback using these mineral drops, and that way we can all compare notes, therefor helping us all to learn and come up with solid facts.


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Re: Optimal Nutrients ? [Re: SurwinMaxawow]
    #920961 - 10/01/02 02:45 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I found some micro/nute powder at Lowes that suppliments any soil - w/anything missing. I will look at the brand name & post it. It helps & does no harm.

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