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Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013
    #8538448 - 06/18/08 08:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

It's all about the money...

Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013
June 18, 2008 - asianpacificpost.com

Drug company Echo Pharmaceuticals expects to sell the world’s first cannabis pill within five years, targeting a $7.76 billion global market, its chief executive said.

The privately-held Dutch company faces competition from Canada’s Cannasat which is also developing a pill. In 2005, Canada became the first country in the world to approve a cannabis-based spray produced by Britain’s GW Pharmaceuticals Plc as a treatment for multiple sclerosis patients.

U.S. regulators granted approval for a clinical trial for GW’s under-the-tongue spray called Sativex, but the company said in July that European regulators had requested a further clinical study before approval.

Echo said it will start clinical studies and trials of its pill, to be marketed as Namisol, in the first half of 2008.

Echo Pharmaceuticals Chief Executive Officer Geert Woerlee told Reuters in an interview that studies showed that cannabis-based drugs may be effective for diseases like Parkinson’s, MS and migraine and could also help patients with Alzheimer’s.

The Netherlands has tolerated the sale of cannabis in coffee shops for decades and in 2003 became the world’s first country to make it available as a prescription drug in pharmacies to treat chronic pain, nausea and loss of appetite in cancer, HIV and multiple sclerosis patients.

Cannabis has a long history of medicinal use. It was used as a Chinese herbal remedy around 5,000 years ago, while Britain’s Queen Victoria is said to have taken cannabis tincture for menstrual pains. "The big advantage of administering cannabis via a pill is that the drug is adopted easier by the body compared to alternatives," Woerlee said.

Woerlee said bringing a drug to the market normally takes about five years but he was hoping to take the drug on faster track.

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: veggie]
    #8538523 - 06/18/08 08:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i thought there were already thc pills called marinol or something? whats the difference?

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: JRichter420]
    #8538608 - 06/18/08 09:15 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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i thought there were already thc pills called marinol or something? whats the difference?





right!?

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: JusListen]
    #8538628 - 06/18/08 09:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

the difference is marinol is synthetic whereas i believe this is just extract in pill form


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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: JusListen]
    #8538640 - 06/18/08 09:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

marinol is just synthetic thc. i think that these ones have the other stuff too. like cbn and cbd etc.

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: Coaster]
    #8538645 - 06/18/08 09:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Right you are! From a press release...

"According to a press release the Dutch company Echo
Pharmaceuticals receives several million Euros from a foreign
investor to conduct clinical research on their THC tablet
Namisol. Partners of Echo Pharmaceuticals are the cannabis
grower Bedrocan, as well as Farmalyse and Feyecon. The THC
of Namisol is directly extracted from cannabis plants rich in
dronabinol
with a purity of more than 99 per cent. Farmalyse
and Feyecon developed a procedure to produce a dry powder
for the production of tablets. The tablets allow a good
absorption of dronabinol from the mucous membranes of the
mouth."

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: nepalnt21]
    #8538650 - 06/18/08 09:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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nepalnt21 said:
marinol is just synthetic thc. i think that these ones have the other stuff too. like cbn and cbd etc.



no its not its derived from thc
same way oxy is derived from morphine yet oxycotin is synthetic not natural


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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: Coaster]
    #8538686 - 06/18/08 09:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Cool I hope when they try to bring this pill to the U.S. it at LEAST forces the downgrade to schedule 2. And it would also force the government into admitting it has medicinal value.:shocked:


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    #8538934 - 06/18/08 10:52 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

youll never beat buying the raw herb. strain name headies are the best medicinal option because you can choose the type of high based on medical needs, who knows what type of high this will have. super soaring sativa? or melted to the couch indica? who knows.

but i know i should smoke satori for an uplifting high for my bipolar and some afghani when mania is the problem.

the plant is already the perfect method of consumtion, thats why god didnt make a plant with seeds that got you high.


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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: clover606]
    #8539095 - 06/18/08 11:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

wow.......:nonono:


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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: impgl]
    #8539275 - 06/19/08 12:42 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

sounds fun, can't wait to try it, i just hoope i don't have to deal witrh the black market for too much longer...

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: clover606]
    #8539751 - 06/19/08 05:37 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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youll never beat buying the raw herb. strain name headies are the best medicinal option because you can choose the type of high based on medical needs, who knows what type of high this will have. super soaring sativa? or melted to the couch indica? who knows.

but i know i should smoke satori for an uplifting high for my bipolar and some afghani when mania is the problem.

the plant is already the perfect method of consumtion, thats why god didnt make a plant with seeds that got you high.




idk dude...pill sounds pretty convenient :lol:


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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: JRichter420]
    #8539777 - 06/19/08 06:19 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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i thought there were already thc pills called marinol or something? whats the difference?




This appears to be cannibas extract whereas marinol is THC.

The "synthetic nature" of THC in marinol, as coaster said, is completely irrelevant.


This pill is a great idea that should have been advanced earlier.  Give the folks the full spectrum of cannibas in an easy to take package with percise dosages, unlike marijuana.

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: clover606]
    #8539791 - 06/19/08 06:24 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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youll never beat buying the raw herb. strain name headies are the best medicinal option because you can choose the type of high based on medical needs, who knows what type of high this will have. super soaring sativa? or melted to the couch indica? who knows.

but i know i should smoke satori for an uplifting high for my bipolar and some afghani when mania is the problem.

the plant is already the perfect method of consumtion, thats why god didnt make a plant with seeds that got you high.




what rubbish.

consistant strength, easily calculated dosages, easily adminstered dosages, and easy storage are among the benifits of this pill.

Not to mention the confounding factors you identify, even if accurate, make studies difficult to translate to clinical medicine.

Finally, though not related to the efficacy, a sa practical matter it will be benificial to get an FDA approved cannabis preperation available.  Good luck getting marijuana from a hospital that doesn't want to loose the entire thing to the feds or have their pharmacists/nurses/doctors arrested.

I suppose by your logic cancer patients should have to chew on tree bark, pain patients should have to eat poppy straw, septic patients should eat rotten fruit, and bipolar folks should chew on rocks.

Great work :thumbup:

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: johnm214]
    #8539880 - 06/19/08 07:04 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

It will help a lot of people.
It is wise to use it as medicene.
Thanks god the time is coming!

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: johnm214]
    #8540194 - 06/19/08 09:14 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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youll never beat buying the raw herb. strain name headies are the best medicinal option because you can choose the type of high based on medical needs, who knows what type of high this will have. super soaring sativa? or melted to the couch indica? who knows.

but i know i should smoke satori for an uplifting high for my bipolar and some afghani when mania is the problem.

the plant is already the perfect method of consumtion, thats why god didnt make a plant with seeds that got you high.




what rubbish.

consistant strength, easily calculated dosages, easily adminstered dosages, and easy storage are among the benifits of this pill.

Not to mention the confounding factors you identify, even if accurate, make studies difficult to translate to clinical medicine.

Finally, though not related to the efficacy, a sa practical matter it will be benificial to get an FDA approved cannabis preperation available.  Good luck getting marijuana from a hospital that doesn't want to loose the entire thing to the feds or have their pharmacists/nurses/doctors arrested.

I suppose by your logic cancer patients should have to chew on tree bark, pain patients should have to eat poppy straw, septic patients should eat rotten fruit, and bipolar folks should chew on rocks.

Great work :thumbup:




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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: johnm214]
    #8540709 - 06/19/08 12:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I suppose by your logic cancer patients should have to chew on tree bark, pain patients should have to eat poppy straw, septic patients should eat rotten fruit, and bipolar folks should chew on rocks.

Great work :thumbup:




Lithium isn't the only medication for bipolar people. We both know that poppy straw isn't the  preferred method of ingestion for opium. There are lots of other natural cancer supplements out there besides tree bark. It think that was a little over simplistic. By saying that different varieties of cannabis produce different effects. He was saying that there are a lot more chemicals in in given variety of herb, at many different concentration levels. The pill is not likely to account for all of them. It is in that manner an inferior product. Opium was used vary effectively to treat a variety of ailments. That's why they were looking at the chemical compounds in it in the first place. The problem with opiates wasn't to the point of pandemic severity until the introduction of smoking opium and then, oh wait morphine. Then they discovered acetyl-diamorphine which got people off of morphine. Hey lets name it Heroin like a female hero. Hey that's right modern medicine isn't aways right! My point is that while the pill form is a step in the right direction in that it is standardized doses and admission of the therapeutic benefits of cannabis by the medical establishment. However these guys aren't always as good at what they do as they think they are, it isn't a total extract, and who knows how much they will charge people for it. There are people who are successfully medicating with their own homegrown. What if the pills are substantially more expensive. Lets not forget that new medications are usually pricey. The government ends up saying OK you can have these pills, but we are cracking down hardcore on any medical pot. Also lets not forget that in some places medical herb is an in for other people to not get arrested for smoking herb either. So now they are fucked to. So what now? People who can afford it can get these pills that don't do the same thing. Nobody can grow without going to jail for a while if busted. I mean they see legitimate use for the opium poppy, but you aren't allowed to grow that most places.


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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #8541188 - 06/19/08 03:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

umm you can buy kits to make weed pills yourself

I have made them before

this is not a new idea and im surprised you guys havent heard of it before

I dont remember the website you get them at but I think its the same concept as the weed in gumballs

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: JusListen]
    #8541915 - 06/19/08 07:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Sign me up as a guinea pig, shit I'd even pay to get tested on this stuff. Awesome!

Edited by Azagthoth (06/19/08 07:08 PM)

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    #8542781 - 06/19/08 11:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

making THC pills is easy as hell.

you just need a good amount of weed, some butane, a 1 1/2" pvc pipe, a coffee filter, something to poke holes, and a glass. And some gelatin capsules.


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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #8542952 - 06/19/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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making THC pills is easy as hell.

you just need a good amount of weed, some butane, a 1 1/2" pvc pipe, a coffee filter, something to poke holes, and a glass. And some gelatin capsules.



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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #8543867 - 06/20/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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johnm214 said:


I suppose by your logic cancer patients should have to chew on tree bark, pain patients should have to eat poppy straw, septic patients should eat rotten fruit, and bipolar folks should chew on rocks.

Great work :thumbup:




Lithium isn't the only medication for bipolar people. We both know that poppy straw isn't the  preferred method of ingestion for opium. There are lots of other natural cancer supplements out there besides tree bark. It think that was a little over simplistic. By saying that different varieties of cannabis produce different effects. He was saying that there are a lot more chemicals in in given variety of herb, at many different concentration levels. The pill is not likely to account for all of them. It is in that manner an inferior product. Opium was used vary effectively to treat a variety of ailments. That's why they were looking at the chemical compounds in it in the first place. The problem with opiates wasn't to the point of pandemic severity until the introduction of smoking opium and then, oh wait morphine. Then they discovered acetyl-diamorphine which got people off of morphine. Hey lets name it Heroin like a female hero. Hey that's right modern medicine isn't aways right! My point is that while the pill form is a step in the right direction in that it is standardized doses and admission of the therapeutic benefits of cannabis by the medical establishment. However these guys aren't always as good at what they do as they think they are, it isn't a total extract, and who knows how much they will charge people for it. There are people who are successfully medicating with their own homegrown. What if the pills are substantially more expensive. Lets not forget that new medications are usually pricey. The government ends up saying OK you can have these pills, but we are cracking down hardcore on any medical pot. Also lets not forget that in some places medical herb is an in for other people to not get arrested for smoking herb either. So now they are fucked to. So what now? People who can afford it can get these pills that don't do the same thing. Nobody can grow without going to jail for a while if busted. I mean they see legitimate use for the opium poppy, but you aren't allowed to grow that most places.





You seem to be arguing from the standpoint of the effect of the pill on the availability of cannabis in part.  I wasn't concerned about that.  People should have the right to ingest anything they want.


Given that cannabis cannot be prescribed anywhere in the country yet, this is a good pill.

I'm not saying it can or should take the place of marijuana, though it may.

Just saying that there is no reason to presume that it is not needed, which is what was said by that other guy.

I also doubt the need for the different strains, but whatever, people's choice.


And I doubt this pill won't represent the major active cannabis chemicals, but I don't really know.  I thought that was the whole point of this thing being an extract and not a particular chemical(s)- there are documented benifits of the whole plant/chemicals other than THC different and above that of THC alone.

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: johnm214]
    #8543919 - 06/20/08 10:30 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I know that if I went to health food store and got an extracted version of an herb, I could even get a really good extract, and its never as good as the original whole plant. I don't see why this would be any different. Also I think that it could likely have other political ramifications. I mean come on, do you really trust our government? I could easily see this as being an excuse to crush efforts to allow people to grow their own.


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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #8544162 - 06/20/08 12:01 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

"I could easily see this as being an excuse to crush efforts to allow people to grow their own."

indeed.

thats why its not accepted medically.

the politcal scheme of it all is really, that its only "good for you" if they deem it so, and really only if they can synthesize it, market and sell it.

if everyone was able to grow thier own, (which we all know we could), there would be no $$$$ to be made, therefore it will remain schedule 1.

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #8545983 - 06/20/08 11:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I know that if I went to health food store and got an extracted version of an herb, I could even get a really good extract, and its never as good as the original whole plant. I don't see why this would be any different. Also I think that it could likely have other political ramifications. I mean come on, do you really trust our government? I could easily see this as being an excuse to crush efforts to allow people to grow their own.




Oh no, I completely agree that it will stiffle the availability of actual marijuana for patients.

I'm just saying this is a positive development, the pill, as you can't prescribe marijuana currently, and this is a prescribable, presuming it works out, cannabis extract that would help folks who need a prescription to get their stuff (nursing home, hospital, can't deal with the bullshit of pot shops/street dealers).

I think the whole medical industry is bullshit insofar as it prevents people from taking drugs they want.  The FDA should be advisory.  The govenrment programs can decide not to pay for non-prescribed/non-approved medicines, but I should be able to buy what medicine I want.  Its bullshit I'd need to pay a doc 100 $ + to get a prozac prescription, I should be able to buy it from whomever wants to sell it.  Same with marijuana and morphine.

If the govenrment must, they can control it like pharmacies and liquor stores, but their should be no doctor consent needed, and no criminal penalties for obtaining outside that consent- my body, my choice.

At the very most, allow people to sit for the medical licensing exams and those that pass get the right to own their body and decide what to ingest.

I'm not saying this makes you a doctor or at all qualified, but it does show that you have the ability to study and understand pharmacology such that you should have an idea of what your doing.  In the end, it'll be like the 1900's before the mandatory prescription laws and other bullshit- people could buy what they wanted without paying extortion money to doctors and pharmacists.

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: johnm214]
    #8546398 - 06/21/08 03:02 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

:sorry:

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: pabloescabar]
    #8548688 - 06/21/08 08:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Fail

You can only patent the specific application in your claim.  For drugs that is generally the dispersal mechanism or the specific drug in controlled release formulation.

Purdue only had a patent on the oxycontin formulation, not the drug, so people were free to by oxycodone for cheap ass prices.  If people prefered to get the expensive ass controlled release form that's something they should take up with their dumb ass doctor.

Same with this, it will only give them a patent on the pill, not marijuana.

You can still grow marijuana or whatever... You cannot patent a naturally growing naturally found plant, sorry.


And despite  your socialist screed, money is good, and without it, this pill wouldn't have been approved.  Course it would be better to dismantle the FDA and allow people to buy what they want, but whatever.... That would only remove the high price barrier, wouldn't change the fact that money is good and money motivates people to make advances, including cannabis pills.

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: johnm214]
    #8593728 - 07/04/08 01:01 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Same with this, it will only give them a patent on the pill, not marijuana.

You can still grow marijuana or whatever... You cannot patent a naturally growing naturally found plant, sorry.



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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: pabloescabar]
    #8593754 - 07/04/08 01:17 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

And what did you tell me, and how does your link invalidate anything you said?

I stand by what I said.

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    #8593779 - 07/04/08 01:36 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The U.S. holds a patent on marijuana used for any medical reason or as an intoxicant. So you saying that they can't patent a plant makes you wrong.


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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: pabloescabar]
    #8593944 - 07/04/08 03:21 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Source for the patent on mariuana used for medical or intoxicating purposes?

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: johnm214]
    #8596112 - 07/04/08 10:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The patent clearly states that any medical use is patented I don't know if it's right, that's just how I interpreted it. Chill and take a :bongload: because it's still easy to get the stuff anywhere:stoned:


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