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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: Azagthoth]
    #8542781 - 06/19/08 11:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

making THC pills is easy as hell.

you just need a good amount of weed, some butane, a 1 1/2" pvc pipe, a coffee filter, something to poke holes, and a glass. And some gelatin capsules.


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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #8542952 - 06/19/08 11:52 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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tyler_0_durden said:
making THC pills is easy as hell.

you just need a good amount of weed, some butane, a 1 1/2" pvc pipe, a coffee filter, something to poke holes, and a glass. And some gelatin capsules.



o u mean sumthing like this


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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #8543867 - 06/20/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I suppose by your logic cancer patients should have to chew on tree bark, pain patients should have to eat poppy straw, septic patients should eat rotten fruit, and bipolar folks should chew on rocks.

Great work :thumbup:




Lithium isn't the only medication for bipolar people. We both know that poppy straw isn't the  preferred method of ingestion for opium. There are lots of other natural cancer supplements out there besides tree bark. It think that was a little over simplistic. By saying that different varieties of cannabis produce different effects. He was saying that there are a lot more chemicals in in given variety of herb, at many different concentration levels. The pill is not likely to account for all of them. It is in that manner an inferior product. Opium was used vary effectively to treat a variety of ailments. That's why they were looking at the chemical compounds in it in the first place. The problem with opiates wasn't to the point of pandemic severity until the introduction of smoking opium and then, oh wait morphine. Then they discovered acetyl-diamorphine which got people off of morphine. Hey lets name it Heroin like a female hero. Hey that's right modern medicine isn't aways right! My point is that while the pill form is a step in the right direction in that it is standardized doses and admission of the therapeutic benefits of cannabis by the medical establishment. However these guys aren't always as good at what they do as they think they are, it isn't a total extract, and who knows how much they will charge people for it. There are people who are successfully medicating with their own homegrown. What if the pills are substantially more expensive. Lets not forget that new medications are usually pricey. The government ends up saying OK you can have these pills, but we are cracking down hardcore on any medical pot. Also lets not forget that in some places medical herb is an in for other people to not get arrested for smoking herb either. So now they are fucked to. So what now? People who can afford it can get these pills that don't do the same thing. Nobody can grow without going to jail for a while if busted. I mean they see legitimate use for the opium poppy, but you aren't allowed to grow that most places.





You seem to be arguing from the standpoint of the effect of the pill on the availability of cannabis in part.  I wasn't concerned about that.  People should have the right to ingest anything they want.


Given that cannabis cannot be prescribed anywhere in the country yet, this is a good pill.

I'm not saying it can or should take the place of marijuana, though it may.

Just saying that there is no reason to presume that it is not needed, which is what was said by that other guy.

I also doubt the need for the different strains, but whatever, people's choice.


And I doubt this pill won't represent the major active cannabis chemicals, but I don't really know.  I thought that was the whole point of this thing being an extract and not a particular chemical(s)- there are documented benifits of the whole plant/chemicals other than THC different and above that of THC alone.

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: johnm214]
    #8543919 - 06/20/08 10:30 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I know that if I went to health food store and got an extracted version of an herb, I could even get a really good extract, and its never as good as the original whole plant. I don't see why this would be any different. Also I think that it could likely have other political ramifications. I mean come on, do you really trust our government? I could easily see this as being an excuse to crush efforts to allow people to grow their own.


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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #8544162 - 06/20/08 12:01 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

"I could easily see this as being an excuse to crush efforts to allow people to grow their own."

indeed.

thats why its not accepted medically.

the politcal scheme of it all is really, that its only "good for you" if they deem it so, and really only if they can synthesize it, market and sell it.

if everyone was able to grow thier own, (which we all know we could), there would be no $$$$ to be made, therefore it will remain schedule 1.

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #8545983 - 06/20/08 11:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I know that if I went to health food store and got an extracted version of an herb, I could even get a really good extract, and its never as good as the original whole plant. I don't see why this would be any different. Also I think that it could likely have other political ramifications. I mean come on, do you really trust our government? I could easily see this as being an excuse to crush efforts to allow people to grow their own.




Oh no, I completely agree that it will stiffle the availability of actual marijuana for patients.

I'm just saying this is a positive development, the pill, as you can't prescribe marijuana currently, and this is a prescribable, presuming it works out, cannabis extract that would help folks who need a prescription to get their stuff (nursing home, hospital, can't deal with the bullshit of pot shops/street dealers).

I think the whole medical industry is bullshit insofar as it prevents people from taking drugs they want.  The FDA should be advisory.  The govenrment programs can decide not to pay for non-prescribed/non-approved medicines, but I should be able to buy what medicine I want.  Its bullshit I'd need to pay a doc 100 $ + to get a prozac prescription, I should be able to buy it from whomever wants to sell it.  Same with marijuana and morphine.

If the govenrment must, they can control it like pharmacies and liquor stores, but their should be no doctor consent needed, and no criminal penalties for obtaining outside that consent- my body, my choice.

At the very most, allow people to sit for the medical licensing exams and those that pass get the right to own their body and decide what to ingest.

I'm not saying this makes you a doctor or at all qualified, but it does show that you have the ability to study and understand pharmacology such that you should have an idea of what your doing.  In the end, it'll be like the 1900's before the mandatory prescription laws and other bullshit- people could buy what they wanted without paying extortion money to doctors and pharmacists.

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: johnm214]
    #8546398 - 06/21/08 03:02 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

:sorry:

Edited by pabloescabar (06/22/08 01:16 AM)

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: pabloescabar]
    #8548688 - 06/21/08 08:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Fail

You can only patent the specific application in your claim.  For drugs that is generally the dispersal mechanism or the specific drug in controlled release formulation.

Purdue only had a patent on the oxycontin formulation, not the drug, so people were free to by oxycodone for cheap ass prices.  If people prefered to get the expensive ass controlled release form that's something they should take up with their dumb ass doctor.

Same with this, it will only give them a patent on the pill, not marijuana.

You can still grow marijuana or whatever... You cannot patent a naturally growing naturally found plant, sorry.


And despite  your socialist screed, money is good, and without it, this pill wouldn't have been approved.  Course it would be better to dismantle the FDA and allow people to buy what they want, but whatever.... That would only remove the high price barrier, wouldn't change the fact that money is good and money motivates people to make advances, including cannabis pills.

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: johnm214]
    #8593728 - 07/04/08 01:01 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Same with this, it will only give them a patent on the pill, not marijuana.

You can still grow marijuana or whatever... You cannot patent a naturally growing naturally found plant, sorry.



Told you so


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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: pabloescabar]
    #8593754 - 07/04/08 01:17 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

And what did you tell me, and how does your link invalidate anything you said?

I stand by what I said.

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: johnm214]
    #8593779 - 07/04/08 01:36 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The U.S. holds a patent on marijuana used for any medical reason or as an intoxicant. So you saying that they can't patent a plant makes you wrong.


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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: pabloescabar]
    #8593944 - 07/04/08 03:21 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Source for the patent on mariuana used for medical or intoxicating purposes?

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Re: Cannabis pills to hit the market by 2013 [Re: johnm214]
    #8596112 - 07/04/08 10:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The patent clearly states that any medical use is patented I don't know if it's right, that's just how I interpreted it. Chill and take a :bongload: because it's still easy to get the stuff anywhere:stoned:


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