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Womem and psychedelics
    #8536265 - 06/18/08 05:37 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Why women doesn't involve in serious with psychedelics?

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8536281 - 06/18/08 05:58 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Huh?


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: zouden]
    #8536292 - 06/18/08 06:07 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Never read any book or article about psychedelics by women. And no women will reply to this article.
Why?

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8536306 - 06/18/08 06:32 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Well, a few women will reply to this. But I see your point, that this forum is mostly inhabited by men, and psychedelic research is mostly done by men.

But that's nothing to do with women not liking psychedelics: most forums are inhabited by men, and most research (in any field) is done by men. The women are doing other things, like building relationships.


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: zouden]
    #8536313 - 06/18/08 06:37 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yes good point!

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8536591 - 06/18/08 09:34 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Females are definetly involved with research.  This publication may ring a bell :smile:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

I'd like to see the statistics for drug use in general, and if women (on average) use less.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: badchad]
    #8536670 - 06/18/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

According to http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus07.pdf#066 for drug use the ratio for year 2005 is 10,2:6,1 for men : women almost the double.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8536679 - 06/18/08 10:14 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Houston

Classic text. Mine was autographed in the late 70s when I spent a weekend at a workshop with Jean.

BTW:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Huxley


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8536819 - 06/18/08 11:14 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Why women doesn't involve in serious with psychedelics?




My favorite person does and shes a you know what.

What exactly do you mean by serious?


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Icelander]
    #8536835 - 06/18/08 11:18 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I think women are less likely to use psychedelics frequently, as they are more emotional and probably have more of a tendency to flip out while tripping.  Not to generalize or anything :wink:


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
    #8536836 - 06/18/08 11:19 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Do you base this assertion on experience or supposition?

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Veritas]
    #8536852 - 06/18/08 11:23 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

The women I mentioned is rock solid on psychedelics.


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Icelander]
    #8536867 - 06/18/08 11:27 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Well ok i respect the other sex, i have heard a lot of women speak about the other side and the perception and i have made drugs with unmetered of them. But at the net i have found few info about a woman made a research or a shaman women.

Thats all.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8536872 - 06/18/08 11:29 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I'm just saying, based on all the women I know.  Obviously, any women that regularly use psychedelics are probably the type of women that can handle them.  But if somebody were to say "one random person in New York is now going to be dosed with 2 hits of hoffman acid that has never tripped before, do you want it to be a male or female" which gender would you pick?


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8536890 - 06/18/08 11:33 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Well ok i respect the other sex

That's big of you.:lol: At least you didn't say "weaker".

I think women aren't built like men emotionally. The find the spirit in different avenues then we do. (often) Maybe because they don't have so many macho phobias to limit their expression?


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
    #8536895 - 06/18/08 11:35 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I would choose a woman, as she would be more likely to introspect afterward & gain something from her experience.  Men may be more likely use psychedelics, but IME they are more likely to view their experiences as purely recreational.  "Whoa!  That was wild, duude!" 

Women, in general, tend to be more introspective than men.  Their emotionality is less likely to result in violent behavior, so I would not be concerned with the safety of others around them.  Men, on the other hand, are much more likely to engage in violent behavior when experiencing intense emotions, so I would be concerned about giving acid to a totally inexperienced male subject.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Veritas]
    #8536907 - 06/18/08 11:38 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Good answer actually :lol:


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Veritas]
    #8536909 - 06/18/08 11:39 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

:monkeydance::thumbup::mushroom2:


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8536920 - 06/18/08 11:45 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Well ok i respect the other sex, i have heard a lot of women speak about the other side and the perception and i have made drugs with unmetered of them.




The... other... side? :strokebeard:


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8536930 - 06/18/08 11:47 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

That's where you go when you're tripping, it's the part that turns you gay.


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8536934 - 06/18/08 11:48 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

You know, when someone is done massaging your back & they ask you to roll over so that they can massage the "other side"?  :lol:

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
    #8536938 - 06/18/08 11:49 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Happy gay? Or Male homophobic fear of gay?:satansmoking:


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Veritas]
    #8536948 - 06/18/08 11:53 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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You know, when someone is done massaging your back & they ask you to roll over so that they can massage the "other side"?  :lol:




Ahhh... now that's something to talk about! :yesnod:


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8536949 - 06/18/08 11:53 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Especially with scented oil...:naughty:

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8536951 - 06/18/08 11:54 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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The... other... side? :strokebeard:




:blush:
:smile:

I mean with this words the spirit world or the world of the dead.

I have a picture! Its different to take drugs as women or as men.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8536958 - 06/18/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

And i am not gay!

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8536966 - 06/18/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

are you sure? It might be laying hidden and latent just waiting for your John Travolta lover to appear and throw you over his horse and carry you away to Brokeback Mountain.

For a little fishing.;)


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Veritas]
    #8536981 - 06/18/08 12:05 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Especially with scented oil...:naughty:




And let's not forget about spankings :evil:


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #8536984 - 06/18/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Those would need to happen before you travel to the "other side." :lol:

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Icelander]
    #8536985 - 06/18/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Ah the other side. Me and my brother were tripping in the woods and he refuse to stop yelling craziness at the top of his lungs. And i said dude what if the cops come walking up, and his response "Its ok man they are on the other side, they cant touch us", we went back inside after that lol.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Veritas]
    #8536991 - 06/18/08 12:08 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

True... :lol:


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8536993 - 06/18/08 12:08 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Its different to take drugs as women or as men.





Its different to take drugs as me or you also, and I dare place a bet that the difference between me and you (individuality) taking acid is much bigger than the difference between male and female (gender) taking acid.

Sure, genders tripping have some similarities, but they are eclipsed by individual differences.

People underestimate to what extent we all live in different worlds.

Example, it is very well possible that if you take somebody from your home town and a tribesman in a jungle far far away, that more of your genes are an exact match with the tribesman than with the guy from your home town. Even if your bloodline with the townsman crossed 100 years ago and with the tribesman more than 10.000 years ago.

Gender and "race" are just limited genetic attributes, almost our entire genome consists of variables that have nothing to do with it.

Don't look at gender differences, look at individual variation, because its far greater.


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8536998 - 06/18/08 12:11 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I was not aware that there is such a thing and that it can be visited while tripping... :confused:
Maybe what you meant to say was that some people are under the impression that they have gone to such places when in fact it was nothing more than the fabrications of their minds...


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Icelander]
    #8536999 - 06/18/08 12:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

:evil: I like drugs more than women thats true but i don't like men.
Its better to me have a beauty near to me and fulls my brain Endorphins than feel the others testosterone.
Its just chemical comparison to me.

For the friend who has not visited the side of the dead its accessible by DMT or ayahuasca.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8537012 - 06/18/08 12:19 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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For the friend who has not visited the side of the dead its accessible by DMT or ayahuasca.




...or so it seems to the experiencer.  :shrug:

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Icelander]
    #8537090 - 06/18/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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and shes a you know what.




A womemem?


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8537279 - 06/18/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Why women doesn't involve in serious with psychedelics?



Ever heard of Maria Sabina?

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Rhizoid]
    #8537308 - 06/18/08 02:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

This is probably sexist but many woman (at least that I know) make decisions based on emotion and not logic. The kind of girls that crave emotion of some sort ALL the time, who are always looking for drama etc would probably be ruined by psychedelics as they seem to amplify everything.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: jellyfish]
    #8537313 - 06/18/08 02:36 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Do you know many men who base their decisions on logic?  I think that any emotionally-unstable person would do well to steer clear of altered states until they can reliably manage unaltered states.  :shrug:

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Veritas]
    #8537956 - 06/18/08 05:33 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I would choose a woman, as she would be more likely to introspect afterward & gain something from her experience.  Men may be more likely use psychedelics, but IME they are more likely to view their experiences as purely recreational.  "Whoa!  That was wild, duude!" 

Women, in general, tend to be more introspective than men.  Their emotionality is less likely to result in violent behavior, so I would not be concerned with the safety of others around them.  Men, on the other hand, are much more likely to engage in violent behavior when experiencing intense emotions, so I would be concerned about giving acid to a totally inexperienced male subject.




I think it wise to assess the would-be entheogenic explorer. In Susan Zannos' Gurdjieffian enneagrammatic model (Human Types), I am a "King of Hearts" which is 1 of 12 typologies. I operate in 'the intellectual aspect of the emotional center.' I would be a safer bet to trip with than another type of male who might be coming from the 'mechanical aspect of the instinctive center' (Jack of Clubs), or the 'mechanical aspect of the moving center' (Jack of Spades), or even a King of Spades who would perhaps be a crazed martial artist coming from the 'intellectual aspect of the moving center.' The point here is that in a very determined sense, a lot of how we (as male and female) process the entheogenic experience is typological. A King of Hearts, or conversely, a Queen of Diamonds, like my Lady Rose ('emotional aspect of the intellectual center') can handle entheogens in B-cognizing, self-actualizing way.

Last Sunday I took Rose to a gun show at Ft. Lauderdale's War Memorial Auditorium. I saw a woman: camouflage-wearing, hunting rifle slung-on-shoulder, bandana around head, totally into her high-powered rifle hunting trip - a Queen of Clubs by my reckoning ('emotional aspect of the instinctual center'). I don't know about you, but there are a lot of male types that might be obnoxious on trips, but maybe not as scary as a scared Queen of Clubs on acid!

As 1/2 of a Black-White couple, I all-too-often have to clarify to people that the differences usually attributed to color have nothing to do with color, but rather with class, and here I would like to point out that in addition to the variables of maturity and self-control, typology trumps gender in overall significance.

I could have used MBTI examples, but I picked up Zannos' book last night and this morning. It's a very interesting and useful model for the phenomenology of types. Plus, I hardly ever sound like a California surfer-stoner :smile:


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #8538005 - 06/18/08 05:46 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, I agree that personality would be a better indication of which individual would be best able to handle LSD.  However, as we were not given any information beyond sex, I would choose to blatantly generalize & "dose" the woman.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Veritas]
    #8538043 - 06/18/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

For my own answer, I would give the acid to the man, because just on a statistical basis I think the man would be less likely to have his emotional center thrown off balance.  You do make a good argument though and it's one I hadn't considered.


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
    #8538204 - 06/18/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i dont have any statistics handy but from the statistics i have seen, men are much more likely to use drugs (and more likely to use drugs heavily) than woman. that would explain why more men use psychedelics.

so you'd have to narrow the population down to just drug users to see whether men or more likely to use psychedelics. in my experiences with female drug users, they have been just as likely as male drug users to use psychedelics.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
    #8538210 - 06/18/08 07:09 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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For my own answer, I would give the acid to the man, because just on a statistical basis I think the man would be less likely to have his emotional center thrown off balance.  You do make a good argument though and it's one I hadn't considered.




i also say give it to the man. men are the experimenters (generally speaking), they are more expendable and take more risks, often to their own detriment.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
    #8538648 - 06/18/08 09:26 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

It does seem to me that most of those who take psychedelics (not including marijuana) are men. I know plenty of girls who smoke or have smoked weed but almost none who have or will try psychedelics. Perhaps, they realize the social stigma of trying a psychedelic and after weighing the pros and cons, opted to focus more on other things.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Boots]
    #8539267 - 06/19/08 12:38 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Wow.

I think this thread broke my brain.

After reading this sausage fest of a thread, I can once again see why more women don't hang out at The Shroomery, and I can also see why a lot of y'all can't seem to find many oppertunities to trip with the opposite sex. :naughty:

As for women being too emotional to trip... that is beyond bullshit... it is a narrow way to view both women AND tripping.

Based on reading this thread... my nod goes to the chicks. Dose 'em all!

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Rose]
    #8539755 - 06/19/08 05:41 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Cervantes said:
Wow.

I think this thread broke my brain.

After reading this sausage fest of a thread, I can once again see why more women don't hang out at The Shroomery, and I can also see why a lot of y'all can't seem to find many oppertunities to trip with the opposite sex. :naughty:

As for women being too emotional to trip... that is beyond bullshit... it is a narrow way to view both women AND tripping.

Based on reading this thread... my nod goes to the chicks. Dose 'em all!

While they're dosing... the guys will have finally have some time to surf the net for porn.




You can say what you want...my experiences, the experiences of people I know, and the experiences of people on this site support what I'm saying.  It's hard to say this without sounding sexist, but most girls in the world today just aren't as prepared for a psychedelic experience, at least at my age (18-20ish).  Of course I'm generalizing, that's the whole point, but I was just offering an explanation as to why less women use psychedelics then men (and just guessing, I would assume statistics support that assertion).


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
    #8539765 - 06/19/08 06:09 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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as to why less women use psychedelics




*fewer women* :rolleyes:


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    #8539841 - 06/19/08 06:46 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
    #8539940 - 06/19/08 07:36 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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And i am not gay!




Your avatar says it all.... gay....

sorry, just had to add this to the thread, as off topic as it is.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Platinum]
    #8539946 - 06/19/08 07:38 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Women don't need to trip, owning a vagina 24/7 causes mass hallucinations itself. :smirk:


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
    #8539969 - 06/19/08 07:47 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

hahaha very true. more delusional, but hallucinations... sure.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Platinum]
    #8540008 - 06/19/08 08:01 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i don't think there's any physiological or anatomical difference between men and women that would result in a different attitude/experimence while tripping.

However, I am cautious in saying that men and women are completely equal when it comes to tripping. Unfortunately, women have been psychologically and socially conditioned to numerous mindsets. I feel that a lot of women are still, relatively, stuck within their social stigmas and some may think experimenting with psychedelic drugs to be a 'mans job.' I'm not saying women are less capable or whatever when it comes to tripping--i'd feel completely comfortable dosing some awesome feminist who demands equality between the sexes--but unfortunately many women still are conditioned to taking the side-seat to men. Therefore, I'd be cautious dosing an 'average woman' because of the pre-psychological mechanics worked onto her brain.

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    #8540031 - 06/19/08 08:12 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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However, I am cautious in saying that men and women are completely equal when it comes to tripping. Unfortunately, women have been psychologically and socially conditioned to numerous mindsets. I feel that a lot of women are still, relatively, stuck within their social stigmas and some may think experimenting with psychedelic drugs to be a 'mans job.' I'm not saying women are less capable or whatever when it comes to tripping--i'd feel completely comfortable dosing some awesome feminist who demands equality between the sexes--but unfortunately many women still are conditioned to taking the side-seat to men. Therefore, I'd be cautious dosing an 'average woman' because of the pre-psychological mechanics worked onto her brain.






I agree with your idea about social conditioning but for different reasons.  Lots of times, women, especially of the younger variety I assume, aren't nearly as used to being intellectually accountable.  WAIT I KNOW THAT SOUNDS SEXIST but just hear me out.  Especially in the case of attractive girls, men just agree with everything they have to say and don't ever really challenge them intellectually.  In school, although a girl is expected to do just as well in the class grade-wise, I've noticed that professors and teachers rarely challenge girls as much as guys when it comes to extremely though provoking questions.  Of course if a girl comes along (as they do in semi frequent numbers) that is every bit as critical and analytical as her male counterparts, the teacher is ecstatic, but that's besides the point.

When you take a psychedelic drug, all of a sudden you're accountable for your own thoughts in a way a person who has never tripped can't even imagine.  I don't have to tell most people on this sight how uncomfortable it can be to have your defense mechanisms ripped to shreds over the course of a 45 minute come-up. I really do think that process would be more difficult and less appealing in any sense to lots of women. I don't know, maybe this is latent societal sexism showing itself in what I'm saying, but based on what I've observed, the average woman is less prepared for a psychedelic experience than the average man.


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    #8540294 - 06/19/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I'd be reluctant to trip with someone of either sex who has abdicated responsibility for their own experiences.  I think that this is just as common among men as it is among women, though it may be demonstrated differently by the sexes. 

My experiences with psychedelics have ALL been great.  In fact, I'm more likely to be the one doing the calming and centering when I trip with others.  I enjoy salvia very much, though it seems to be too intense and "freaky" for most of the men I've talked to about it.  Few of them want to try it more than once.

Of course, I would fit into the category of a "feminist who demands equality between the sexes," and I define myself as human before female.  I doubt whether one's XX or XY chromosomes make them more or less suited to be a psychonaut.  As Markos mentioned, individual personality traits are much more important than whether you are an "innie" or an "outie."

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
    #8541090 - 06/19/08 03:10 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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guruu said:It's hard to say this without sounding sexist, but most girls in the world today just aren't as prepared for a psychedelic experience, at least at my age (18-20ish).



Thank you for sharing your extensive and deep knowledge about women. I have always been wondering about how women's minds work, collectively I mean. Finally the truth has been revealed. This information will be very useful.

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    #8541298 - 06/19/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

That was a pretty bland attempt at sarcasm, guy.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Asante]
    #8541453 - 06/19/08 05:00 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I like to be specific.  :grin:

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    #8541465 - 06/19/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Why women doesn't involve in serious with psychedelics?




Probably because their wimpier than men and care less about true introspection.


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    #8541480 - 06/19/08 05:05 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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    #8541570 - 06/19/08 05:24 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Welcome Mrs. Coyotl. :sun: I think you are the only one that can keep his massive ego in check.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
    #8542493 - 06/19/08 09:42 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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albien5 said: Why women doesn't involve in serious with psychedelics?




What the fuck does this even mean?

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8545384 - 06/20/08 07:00 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Why women doesn't involve in serious with psychedelics?




You probably can't ask that question here and get an accurate answer.

1.  Most of the Shroomery members are male, which means their answers would be speculation.

2.  I assume most women here have some interest in psychdelics, making them biased.

If you want a better answer survey women who aren't interested in psychedelics and let them tell you.  Unless, of course, you have a special meaning for the word 'serious'.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Veritas]
    #8545498 - 06/20/08 07:44 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I'd be reluctant to trip with someone of either sex who has abdicated responsibility for their own experiences.  I think that this is just as common among men as it is among women, though it may be demonstrated differently by the sexes. 

My experiences with psychedelics have ALL been great.  In fact, I'm more likely to be the one doing the calming and centering when I trip with others.  I enjoy salvia very much, though it seems to be too intense and "freaky" for most of the men I've talked to about it.  Few of them want to try it more than once.

Of course, I would fit into the category of a "feminist who demands equality between the sexes," and I define myself as human before female.  I doubt whether one's XX or XY chromosomes make them more or less suited to be a psychonaut.  As Markos mentioned, individual personality traits are much more important than whether you are an "innie" or an "outie."




salvia is too intense and feaky for most of the people ive talked to about it too, regardless of their gender. i am amazed you are able to enjoy it.

anyway, no one really responded to my first point. no one has provided any evidence beyond their limited experiences that female drug users are less likely to use psychedelics then male drug users.

from my limited experiences, this doesn't seem to be true at all. i know more males who use drugs than females but of the people i know who use drugs most of them have tried a psychedelic or expressed interest in trying a psychedelic at some point regardless of their sex.

i think you people are just confusing the fact that far more males use drugs and use drugs more heavily than females and thinking with thinking that females somehow can't handle psychedelic ones as well.

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I think this thread needs some facts. Time to do some research...

MONITORING THE FUTURE
NATIONAL SURVEY RESULTS ON DRUG USE, 1975-2004
Volume II - College Students and Adults Ages 19-45
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• Among young adults, more males than females report using any illicit drug during the prior
year (35% versus 29%). Males have higher annual prevalence rates for nearly all of the
specific illicit drugs—with ratios greater than 2 for steroids and inhalants. For example,
among the 19- to 30-year-olds, steroids were used by 0.6% of males versus 0.2% of females
during the prior 12 months. (See Table 4-1.)

• All forms of cocaine were used in the past year by more males than females (19- to 30-yearolds).
Annual cocaine use was reported by 8.7% of the males and 5.0% of the females, crack
use by 1.6% of the males and 0.9% of the females, and other cocaine use by 7.8% of the
males and 4.7% of the females.

• Other large gender differences among the 19- to 30-year-olds are found in daily marijuana
use (6.3% for males versus 3.3% for females in 2004), daily alcohol use (7.6% versus 2.2%),
and occasions of drinking five or more drinks in a row in the prior two weeks (47% versus
28%). This gender difference in occasions of heavy drinking is even greater among young
adults than among 12th graders, where it is 34% for males versus 24% for females.

• MDMA (ecstasy) use is only slightly higher among males than among females in the young
adult sample overall (annual prevalence 3.5% versus 2.8%, respectively).

• The use of narcotics other than heroin is fairly close, at 9.9% annual prevalence for males
vs. 7.3% for females. Use of Vicodin, one of the most widely used drugs in the class, is also
fairly close (10.8% versus 7.1%). There is a larger gender contrast for OxyContin (annual
prevalence of 3.9% for males versus 2.0% for females).

• The use of amphetamines, which is now about equivalent among males and females in high
school, is also fairly similar for both genders in this post-high school period (annual
prevalence of 6.1% versus 5.3%, respectively).

• Crystal methamphetamine (ice) is used by small, and roughly similar, percentages of both
genders (1.8% annual prevalence for males versus 1.2% for females).

• LSD use by males is over three times that of females (1.3% annual prevalence for males versus 0.4% for females).




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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: zouden]
    #8546385 - 06/21/08 02:54 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Most of the girls I know are more into pot and pills. I do know some that trip, but not very often.

Maria Sabina got rather famous for her mushroom healing.

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    #8546465 - 06/21/08 03:51 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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• LSD use by males is over three times that of females (1.3% annual prevalence for males versus 0.4% for females).




This is telling a lot. The other drugs from the report provided by zouden are close % the males to females. But the only authentic psychedelic in the research LSD is less used by the females. The other drugs which are dopamine related are used almost the same by the male/female.
This shows that women wants to have good time and ignore the psychedelic 'world'.
Maybe this makes the women not involve in serious with psychedelics which doesnt have a lot of fun!

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    #8547127 - 06/21/08 10:45 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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This is telling a lot.





Indeed this is telling a lot! one in four users is a woman, but only one in ten shroomerites is one. Why are they underrepresented here?

Same with gays. Psychedelics are much more prevalent under gays thasn straights, yet aside from myself and a few other token homos theres barely any on our site.

Trippers over 30? Too few of them here.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Asante]
    #8547624 - 06/21/08 01:55 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Which 'straight' here will volunteer to go gay to balance out the group? One of you must be willing to make the sacrifice.


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    #8548173 - 06/21/08 05:43 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Indeed this is telling a lot! one in four users is a woman, but only one in ten shroomerites is one. Why are they underrepresented here?

Same with gays. Psychedelics are much more prevalent under gays thasn straights, yet aside from myself and a few other token homos theres barely any on our site.

Trippers over 30? Too few of them here.

The shroomery isn't a representative population is what I'm saying.




I think these statistical discrepancies have their source in the people that use the internet the most, which is younger males usually.


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
    #8548319 - 06/21/08 06:24 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Indeed this is telling a lot! one in four users is a woman, but only one in ten shroomerites is one. Why are they underrepresented here?

Same with gays. Psychedelics are much more prevalent under gays thasn straights, yet aside from myself and a few other token homos theres barely any on our site.

Trippers over 30? Too few of them here.

The shroomery isn't a representative population is what I'm saying.




I think these statistical discrepancies have their source in the people that use the internet the most, which is younger males usually.




I think that more females than males have a myspace though.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #8548334 - 06/21/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah but that's an almost completely unrelated part of the internet.


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
    #8548365 - 06/21/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

You are incorrect.

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Males and females have had approximately equal rates of computer use since 1997.  In 1997, males were more likely than females to be Internet users.  Between October 1997 and August 2000, this difference disappeared.  Since August 2000, males and females have had virtually identical rates of Internet use (Figure 2-6).  In September 2001, the Internet use rate was 53.9 percent for males and 53.8 percent for females.

Although the aggregate rates of use and growth by gender have equalized, there are still gender-related differences in Internet use within various age groups (Figure 2-7).  Women, from approximately age 20 to age 50, are more likely to be Internet users than men.  From about age 60 and older, men have higher rates of Internet use than women.




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While young users (in their teens and 20s) are most prevalent on MySpace, women who are most prevalent at the youngest ages (14 to 20), whereas men are most prevalent for all other ages (21 and up).




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I agree that The Shroomery is a sausage festival, but this is not a reflection of the gender distribution of all internet users.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Veritas]
    #8548384 - 06/21/08 06:42 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Well there are very different ways to use the internet, I should have specified.  I think women would be less inclined to frequent the parts of the internet that would lead them to forums of this sort.  Basically what I was saying is it's not the shroomery's fault that women aren't as represented here, it's just based on how the internet works.  Women probably spend their time on the internet doing very different activities.


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8548386 - 06/21/08 06:42 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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The other drugs which are dopamine related are used almost the same by the male/female.
This shows that women wants to have good time and ignore the psychedelic 'world'.




These statistics show no such thing.  It is important to differentiate between opinion and fact.  In this case, the statistics show that fewer women report using LSD.  In order to "show" the reasons why this is so, it would be necessary to gather data from all the women who don't use LSD.  Jumping to conclusions is not scientific.  :thumbdown:

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
    #8548435 - 06/21/08 06:55 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Well there are very different ways to use the internet, I should have specified.  I think women would be less inclined to frequent the parts of the internet that would lead them to forums of this sort.  Basically what I was saying is it's not the shroomery's fault that women aren't as represented here, it's just based on how the internet works.  Women probably spend their time on the internet doing very different activities.




This may be so.  However, sexist behavior is quite common on this site.  Being greeted with "tits or GTFO" does not encourage women to continue to post on this site, nor do the frequent women-bashing threads in the Pub and OTD, nor do the hostile responses posted in relationship threads in P&M, and so on.

If a racial group was being targeted for hostility and harassment, the offenders would be warned and/or banned.  The first official Shroomery response I have witnessed to the rampant sexism here was the recent "tits or GTFO" warning thread in the Pub.

The women who can handle the B.S. and think that they have something to gain from posting here will stick around.  Many others leave after their first week or two.

IMO, the moderators could do a great deal more to eliminate sexist posts and harassment, and thus create a more woman-friendly forum environment.

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: Veritas]
    #8548586 - 06/21/08 07:46 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah you wont get an argument from me there.


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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: g00ru]
    #8548714 - 06/21/08 08:36 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Womem and psychedelics [Re: albien5]
    #8562984 - 06/25/08 02:57 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Why women doesn't involve in serious with psychedelics?




Men lean towards abstraction, while women lean towards empathy. These two opposite human drives translate an opposite outlook of the environment. At least, this is the way it is perceived in art. Imho, this is quality insight of human drive.

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