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Offlineamanita3
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Oil: Arab Wars = $ Oil Profits $
    #853457 - 08/30/02 03:59 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

This insight is from Gary North's "The Daily Reconing":
Vengeance, Blood and the Coming Oil Crisis
http://www.agora-inc.com/reports/OST/RealityCheck


Arab Wars = Oil Profits

It's simple. Conflict in the Middle East invariably leads to
higher oil prices. Consider recent history:

* The Yom Kippur War, 1972 -- fought between Israel and its
Arab neighbors, it quadrupled the price of oil, from $3 to
$12 a barrel.

* The Iranian Revolution, 1978 -- effectively removed one of
the world's kingpin oil producers and pushed oil
prices from $12 a barrel to $24 a barrel.

* The Iran/Iraq War, 1980 -- jump-started oil prices again,
sending them from under $22 a barrel to over $35!

* Iraq invades Kuwait, 1990 -- propelled oil markets into the
stratosphere. The price of crude climbed from $20 a
barrel to over $35 a barrel.

In each case, investors who caught the move early made
fortunes. So the question seems to me to be: What are you
going to do about it?


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Re: Oil: Arab Wars = $ Oil Profits $ [Re: amanita3]
    #853952 - 08/30/02 08:43 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

smoke pot and eat cookies?

no, if we invade Iraq again, I'll protest loudly again.



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Re: Oil: Arab Wars = $ Oil Profits $ [Re: amanita3]
    #853955 - 08/30/02 08:44 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

smoke pot and eat cookies?

no, if we invade Iraq again, I'll protest loudly again.



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Re: Oil: Arab Wars = $ Oil Profits $ [Re: PGF]
    #853962 - 08/30/02 08:46 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

sounds good to me, thats what im gonna do tommorow. i wonder if they will heh


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Re: Oil: Arab Wars = $ Oil Profits $ [Re: PGF]
    #853964 - 08/30/02 08:49 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Why don't you want to invade Iraq and oust that terrorist Saddam Hussein? He pays money to the families of suicide bombers and kills minorities (the Kurds) with poison gas.


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Re: Oil: Arab Wars = $ Oil Profits $ [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #853980 - 08/30/02 09:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, but that doesn't really affect us. if they don't like it let the people suffering fight and change it. it will make them stronger as a people.


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Re: Oil: Arab Wars = $ Oil Profits $ [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #853996 - 08/30/02 09:34 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

It was good for the whole world when we liberated the Jews persecuted by Hitler. It's always good for the whole world (including us) when a villan is smitten.


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Re: Oil: Arab Wars = $ Oil Profits $ [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #854026 - 08/30/02 10:09 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Why don't you want to invade Iraq and oust that terrorist Saddam Hussein? He pays money to the families of suicide bombers and kills minorities (the Kurds) with poison gas.

Well why did the US install him in power if he was so bad? Why did Reagan and Bush love him so much the relationship was known as "the love affair". Why did Bush defend Saddam agains the charge that he gassed the kurds and give him a billion dollars the year afterwards?

Can you see how pathetic it sounds when Bush's son calls him names? 15 years ago Bush's father couldn't sell him weapons of mass destruction fast enough.



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Re: Oil: Arab Wars = $ Oil Profits $ [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #854036 - 08/30/02 10:12 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

It's always good for the whole world (including us) when a villan is smitten.

It's a hell of a lot better when you don't install villains in power and arm them and support them for 20 years like the US did for Saddam. That way you don't have to go in and kill 600,000 innocent kids when you discover that they won't obey your commands.


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Re: Oil: Arab Wars = $ Oil Profits $ [Re: Xlea321]
    #854404 - 08/31/02 06:20 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I'm pretty much divided over this whole issue of invading Iraq. Both sides have equally valid points, and it's hard to pick and choose sides. However, I do find it very hypocritical of the US government supporting a man like Saddam for so many years, then suddenly wanting to take him out of power. Alex123, you seem to think that this hypocrisy is a justifiable reason for not invading Iraq. It's pretty obvious that we really fucked up in supporting Iraq in the first place, so why not fix our mistake and get rid of him?


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Re: Oil: Arab Wars = $ Oil Profits $ [Re: psilo25]
    #854528 - 08/31/02 08:39 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

20 years ago the US were desperate to build up Saddams weapons of mass destruction because he was a compliant thug. Now he's decided to go his own way - that tends to happen with thugs. That's why you shouldn't install them in power and arm them for 20 years. America isn't doing this for the good of the Iraqi people, it's doing it to get it's hands on the Iraq oil supply.

The last thing we need is America deciding who runs Iraq - they after all were the bastards who installed Saddam. We need to let the Iraqi people have democracy. Not just another US approved thug.


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Re: Oil: Arab Wars = $ Oil Profits $ [Re: Xlea321]
    #854671 - 08/31/02 10:56 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Alex123 writes:

It's a hell of a lot better when you don't install villains in power and arm them and support them for 20 years like the US did for Saddam.

In hindsight it turns out it was a mistake for the US to have supported Hussein. If in fact it was the US who was responsible for making it possible for him to pull off the shit he did, clearly the US must bear the responsibility of removing him. Why do some people have such a hard time understanding this? It's all well and good to say the US should never have supported him in the first place, but the fact is THEY DID, and look what happened. Do you think it is correct for the US to just walk away and let others (lKuwaitis, Israelis, and Kurds, for example) deal with the Frankenstein's monster they created?

Is it necessary to take him out NOW or is it better to wait a while? I say IF he is planning more nasty shit in the near future, then it makes sense to hit him now. On the other hand, the longer the US waits, the greater the chance he may be assassinated by some of his own countrymen, making the whole point moot.

Is it better to stage a full scale invasion or simply to assassinate him? Assassination is obviously the better option, but the United Nations and international law don't allow assassinations -- they prefer "conventional" war with thousands dying, presumably because it is "more honorable".

That way you don't have to go in and kill 600,000 innocent kids when you discover that they won't obey your commands.

If in fact 600,000 innocent kids have died as a result of the sanctions put in place by the United Nations, that is directly the fault of Hussein, not of anyone else. The United Nations coalition COULD have (and at the time many people were saying SHOULD have) rolled all the way into Baghdad and occupied the whole country. Instead, they accepted Hussein's surrender, WITH CERTAIN CONDITIONS ATTACHED. That's the way wars work -- if you start one and lose, you've got to eat humble pie. This is standard procedure, and has been for millenia. The only "commands" that need be obeyed are the terms of the cease fire.

All Hussein had to do was meet the conditions of UN Resolution 687, and there would never have been an embargo at all. Only SOME of those famous innocent kids would have died. As a matter of fact, at any time he can have the embargo lifted -- all he has to do is comply with the imposed peace terms. See:

http://www.un.org/News/ossg/iraq.htm

Note that under revisions of the original sanctions, ("oil for food" resolution 986 and revisions) Iraq is allowed to trade oil for food and humanitarian supplies. As is usual in the case of corrupt regimes, the food and humanitarian supplies never make it to those who need it.

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Re: Oil: Arab Wars = $ Oil Profits $ [Re: amanita3]
    #854723 - 08/31/02 11:36 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)



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