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Smoking ban 'could kill off Amsterdam cannabis coffee shops'
    #8532723 - 06/17/08 06:46 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Smoking ban 'could kill off Amsterdam cannabis coffee shops'
June 17, 2008 - telegraph.co.uk

Amsterdam's controversial cannabis cafes are facing possible extinction when a smoking ban comes into force next month.

New laws similar to those which took effect in England last summer, will ban the smoking of tobacco - but not cannabis - in enclosed public places in the Netherlands from July 1.

Critics say the change will encourage users to turn to much stronger forms of the drug.

Users will still be able to light up joints filled with pure cannabis but technically banned from mixing in tobacco.

The owners of the country's "coffee shops", where cannabis is available over the counter, campaigned for an exception.

But the Dutch prime minister Jan Peter Balkenende was quoted last week as explaining: "Coffee shops will be treated in the same manner as other catering businesses.

"It would have been wrong to move towards a smoke-free catering industry and then make an exception for coffee shops. People would not have understood that."

Some cafes have built separate areas for those who chose not to inhale pure cannabis in the same way as pubs and restaurants in Britain set up outdoor smoking sections in the run-up to the ban in this country.

Many Amsterdam cafe owners fear being driven out of business. But Mark Jacobsen of BCD, a cafe traders' association, told the German newspaper Der Spiegel: "If an official comes into a coffee shop and sees someone smoking a joint, he must confiscate it and send it to a lab to test whether it contains tobacco.

"It is such an arduous procedure that it is going to create numerous problems.

"I don't think they will apply it very strictly during the first year."

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Re: Smoking ban 'could kill off Amsterdam cannabis coffee shops' [Re: veggie]
    #8532742 - 06/17/08 07:05 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Awesome, people will stop dirtying up their joints with tobacco!


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Re: Smoking ban 'could kill off Amsterdam cannabis coffee shops' [Re: Nemo_Hoes]
    #8532743 - 06/17/08 07:06 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

tabacco is wacco


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Re: Smoking ban 'could kill off Amsterdam cannabis coffee shops' [Re: Nemo_Hoes]
    #8532789 - 06/17/08 07:46 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

The Motherfuckin G said:
Awesome, people will stop dirtying up their joints with tobacco!



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Re: Smoking ban 'could kill off Amsterdam cannabis coffee shops' [Re: QuantumReality]
    #8532969 - 06/17/08 09:12 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

This is absolutely rediculous...


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Re: Smoking ban 'could kill off Amsterdam cannabis coffee shops' [Re: ElectricLand]
    #8532975 - 06/17/08 09:15 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The Dutch government knows how much tax money they make off the cannabis trade. I have confidence they will figure something out. The Dutch are some practical, resourceful motherfuckers.


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Re: Smoking ban 'could kill off Amsterdam cannabis coffee shops' [Re: veggie]
    #8533414 - 06/17/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah right.  I bet all the students, particularly American students are gonna up and not want to go to Amsterdam and smoke weed at a coffee shop.  And all because they can't smoke tobacco there?????  Give me a break.

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Re: Smoking ban 'could kill off Amsterdam cannabis coffee shops' [Re: FestrunneR]
    #8533448 - 06/17/08 12:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Well from what I understand people from other countries actually mix tobacco with their buds, why I do not fucking know, I think it's retarded, but hey they do it.


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Re: Smoking ban 'could kill off Amsterdam cannabis coffee shops' [Re: Nemo_Hoes]
    #8535307 - 06/17/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

No tobacco smoke you'll fuck up the pure weed clam baking!  Just curious but does anyone know if they do the blunt thing over there.

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Re: Smoking ban 'could kill off Amsterdam cannabis coffee shops' [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #8535611 - 06/17/08 11:15 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I never smoke weed with tobacco. Like I've done it maybe 4 times in my lifetime.

I think tobacco is just pointless, so I mix with smoking herbs, also to the fact I'm allowed to smoke weed as long as i don't use tobacco.

Fuck smoking, Vaporizers for the win people.


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Re: Smoking ban 'could kill off Amsterdam cannabis coffee shops' [Re: ActiveA]
    #8535689 - 06/17/08 11:42 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Activia?

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Re: Smoking ban 'could kill off Amsterdam cannabis coffee shops' [Re: ActiveA]
    #8535769 - 06/18/08 12:04 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I like to smoke my weed by itself, and I have no reason to go to amsterdam, it just doesn't really appeal to me when I can get the same quality hash and bud here.


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Re: Smoking ban 'could kill off Amsterdam cannabis coffee shops' [Re: Nemo_Hoes]
    #8536119 - 06/18/08 03:12 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

The Motherfuckin G said:
Well from what I understand people from other countries actually mix tobacco with their buds, why I do not fucking know, I think it's retarded, but hey they do it.




Its because in most other countries many smokers have a different attitude about getting high. And thus different methods of smoking. As opposed to getting high as fast and direct as you can, they smoke and share several joints in one sitting in more of a social setting.  Its not just about one or two hits and being stoned. Its more about steadily seeping into a stoned state while amongst friends. Also, if you have been rolling tobacco with your weed or hash, its that flavor that you enjoy. Ideally, you would roll loose tobacco, not the stuff from cigarettes.

Also, the method of smoking and passing joints is different. Instead of puff puff pass, its..take, puff, talk, look around, puff, ash, puff, talk, listen, puff, puff, ash, puff, pass.
(or something like that)

Now, if you aren't used to this method, you may suffer from smokers' anxiety. As I have on many a novice occasion been either towards the end or after two or three people sharing...waiting and watching each person taking their turn. Everyone was taking so damn long! Is it even going to get to me? Why is everyone else so relaxed can't they see he/she is bogarting that joint? Pass it for crying out loud! Man, I'm never gonna get it.
Then it gets to you and you don't know exactly how many hits or how long to hold the thing because you have two more people waiting for their turn. Also, if you aren't used to tobacco, prepare, if you take a big hit, to cough, or get extremely light headed and not high at all. This is why it is necessary to take several hits in one pass.
But just as you are panicking about not getting the thing, another one or two(depending on the group or party) gets lit up. Its always great when in a room and several joints are just circulating  non stop. But its then that the tobacco gets a bit much for me.

But, like I said, its a different way of approaching smoking. Its not really about getting blasted quick and sitting, stoned. Its social. Its also about the company, not about being simultaneously entertained by something.
Of course, having said ALL that. I have to admit not much in the world tastes better than a nice fresh, first hit of some really really nice stuff all on its own. I appreciate it more now because I haven't been able to smoke it like that for the longest time.

I just can't believe that this ban would even take place. It just sounds so absurd. It may not seem like a big deal to American smokers, but most people that use the coffee shops (the regulars). Their money comes from more than just cannabis products. A regular is most likely going to stay for a few joints and have a drink(non-alcoholic) or two. Also, its not just amsterdam where all the "american tourists" are. Thats not the full scope of the Netherlands. There are small benign coffee shops in pretty much every city/town there. Its those that will potentially be affected by such silly laws.
But, like sillybuttons said, they are some practical, resourceful motherfuckers and will figure something out.


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Re: Smoking ban 'could kill off Amsterdam cannabis coffee shops' [Re: akb112211]
    #8536198 - 06/18/08 04:39 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

It won't hurt biz at all Americans don't put toccrapo in their joints and the Euro's can just take it outside.

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Re: Smoking ban 'could kill off Amsterdam cannabis coffee shops' [Re: Midnight Rider]
    #8537885 - 06/18/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I think they put tobbaco in there jays because they originally did that with hash. You can't roll just hash. Tobacco makes me sick.

I went to A-Dam the first time more than 10 years ago, they will never close the the cafes, there tourist industry will drop like 80% and they know that.


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