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rye = bad substrate
    #8522728 - 06/14/08 07:44 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

i read someone post that rye is a bad substrate for bulk. just to use it as spawn for bulk. is this true?why? and one more question. once a rye jar is fully colonized is it easy to get out of a taper,d top quart jar? or is it one solid clump that should have been colonized in a straight jar? thanks.


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Re: rye = bad substrate [Re: seven]
    #8522760 - 06/14/08 08:02 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

It's not bad in itself, but it's more costly and laborious (you have to sterilize instead of pasteurize) than traditional bulk substrates. Also the incubation must be done under sterile conditions when using rye; this is less important with straw etc.

You typically get one solid clump with cubensis on rye.

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Re: rye = bad substrate [Re: Pinback]
    #8522781 - 06/14/08 08:14 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

so i should use straight jars of rye just for colonizing bulk. pasturizing substrate sounds risky to me. i would most likely use myco bags in a pc just to be safe?


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Re: rye = bad substrate [Re: seven]
    #8522787 - 06/14/08 08:18 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Rye isn't a bulk substrate.
Rye, in my opinion (and plenty of other's), is a very good grain to use.
Any jar can be used for grains, because you'll break apart the kernels anyway.
ALL grains must be sterilized.


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Re: rye = bad substrate [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #8522799 - 06/14/08 08:22 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

yeah..

rye deffinitely isn't fit for a bulk substraw
use manure or coir at the least

colonizing enough rye to fill a 21g tub 5 inches is a task no one would be up to


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Re: rye = bad substrate [Re: anarchOi]
    #8522849 - 06/14/08 09:00 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Guys, cased rye makes an excellent fruiting substrate.  In fact, it's probably second only to brf cakes in BE.  Tapered, small mouth jars are also perfect for rye berries.  Bang them against a fully inflated tire or tree trunk, phone book, etc., to break the grains up, and then they can be poured out of the jar like sand.

Rye by definition isn't a bulk substrate.  It can be cased and fruited directly with excellent performance, or it can be used as spawn to a bulk substrate such as manure, coir, straw, etc.
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Re: rye = bad substrate [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #8522882 - 06/14/08 09:23 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

wow thanks RR.  Im not really looking to go huge. I was just thinking of useing one colonized qt jar per 2-3 qts sterilized rye berryz :useing makeshift mycobags then casing useing the fifty fifty+ tek.  does this sound logical? also the makeshift mycobags would consist of taped up large ziplocks with polyfill filters placed in disinfected incubation tub.  is there any holes in this plan?


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Re: rye = bad substrate [Re: seven]
    #8523065 - 06/14/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, big holes.  You can't spawn colonized rye to sterilized, uncolonized rye except under sterile conditions.  You can take a look on this page: http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Grain-to-Grain-Transfers for a short description of the procedure for grain to grain transfers.

If you have only 1 quart of colonized rye, I'd either case it as is, or use it as spawn to pasteurized manure, coir, straw, etc.
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Re: rye = bad substrate [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #8523323 - 06/14/08 12:13 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: rye = bad substrate [Re: seven]
    #8523334 - 06/14/08 12:19 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I would still use it as spawn,I agree with the above poster who recommended coir,works heat nearly every time:hehehe:

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