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OfflineAnarchoTrip
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I'm interested in chaos theory...
    #8521612 - 06/13/08 09:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

but I don't know anything about it, nor where to start.

What's some good beginning chaos theory books?

And WHATS up with all the mysticism going on in this forum? C'mon philosophers, beat those mystics down with our INTELLECTUALISM!


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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: AnarchoTrip]
    #8521674 - 06/13/08 09:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Do you mean in mathematics/physics, or is there a chaos theory in philosophy?

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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: AnarchoTrip]
    #8521687 - 06/13/08 09:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This is the easiest example and pretty much explains the entire idea of Chaos Theory.

So a butterfly lands on a leaf, the leaf shakes and microorganisms fall off, these organisms grow and turn into a virus, this virus spreads by animals, eventually people get it, the guy who holds his hand over the big red button all day gets it, passes out during his job hitting the red button, all the nukes go off, the world is over.

This is even more simple.

A butterfly flaps its wings, this causes all the nukes to go off on the other side of the world.

The whole idea of Chaos Theory is that one small thing can start a chain reaction of Chaos which eventually leads to the end of the Earth.


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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: TheShroomJew23]
    #8521776 - 06/13/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

that didn't help. quit ruining my threads.

and yes, I'm interested in the mathematical/physics chaos theory.


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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: AnarchoTrip]
    #8522090 - 06/13/08 11:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

sorry I was just outlining the theory I have some books that are old school I did a check and they arent being published anymore.


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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: AnarchoTrip]
    #8522757 - 06/14/08 08:00 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

but I don't know anything about it, nor where to start.

Just watch your emotions.:thumbup:


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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: AnarchoTrip]
    #8523010 - 06/14/08 10:26 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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AnarchoTrip said:and yes, I'm interested in the mathematical/physics chaos theory.



This probably isnt the best forum then.  Not trying to be a dick to any regulars here, but philosophy people are often antagonistic towards and downplay the importance of math and science.

Read the wikipedia pages on chaos theory, fractals, and Henri Poincare.  Then post and specific questions or thoughts you have.

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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: DieCommie]
    #8523149 - 06/14/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

^ ^ ^ He's right. If you want rigorous fact based discussions go to the Mysticism and Paranormal forum :smirk:

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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: AnarchoTrip]
    #8523168 - 06/14/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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AnarchoTrip said:

And WHATS up with all the mysticism going on in this forum? C'mon philosophers, beat those mystics down with our INTELLECTUALISM!




So intellectuals can't be mystical and mystics can't be intellectual?

What's up with all the either/or, black and white, 'us vs. them' thinking going on in this forum?

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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: Middleman]
    #8523213 - 06/14/08 11:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The day of reckoning is upon us! :lecture:


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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: Middleman]
    #8523421 - 06/14/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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So intellectuals can't be mystical and mystics can't be intellectual?

What's up with all the either/or, black and white, 'us vs. them' thinking going on in this forum?




Some ideologies are just incompatible by construction.  Like faith and skepticism.

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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: DieCommie]
    #8523499 - 06/14/08 01:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, there's a huge difference between philosophy and mysticism or philosophy and theology. Philosophy is based upon reasoning, mysticism is based, largely, on FAITH.

I also find mystical discussions rather annoying for many reasons such as:

There's no REAL way to argue mysticism... it's all opinions (and no, philosophy isn't the same thing)

There's always some annoying poetic beatnik throwing out spiritual rhetoric

and it's so damn korny.


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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: AnarchoTrip]
    #8523840 - 06/14/08 02:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Cool man, you must have travelled a very long and strenous to find mysticism discussions annoying and 'korny'.

Oh please, do let me in on your secret!  :sissies:


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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8523867 - 06/14/08 03:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It's kind of easy to get jaded when so many claims turn into someones personal fear or ego trip. Like most things to do with humans a very high percentage is not for real.


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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8523899 - 06/14/08 03:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Cool man, you must have travelled a very long and strenous to find mysticism discussions annoying and 'korny'.

It is a long and strenuous journey.  But once puberty is over things settle down and make more sense.

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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: DieCommie]
    #8524164 - 06/14/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

the butterfly example has been worn out and it doesn't explain it clearly enough, it turns a scientific theory into a romantic idea.

but then again love is chaos is love.


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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: DieCommie]
    #8525045 - 06/14/08 09:37 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Cool man, you must have travelled a very long and strenous to find mysticism discussions annoying and 'korny'.

It is a long and strenuous journey.  But once puberty is over things settle down and make more sense.




Well shit, the more time that goes by, the less things make sense to me.  Well, atleast as far as human culture goes.  Does this mean I am going back in time?


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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8525054 - 06/14/08 09:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Chaos theory is the wild idea that no one can ever account for absolutely all factors in play.

Naturally, therefore, things happen which cannot be predicted or accounted for. Ever seen Jurassic Park? :yesnod:


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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8525096 - 06/14/08 09:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

In essence, doesn't chaos theory assert that absolutely everything is inter-connected?


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Re: I'm interested in chaos theory... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8525785 - 06/15/08 01:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, I dont think so. 

The essence is... you have chaos when end results vary wildly based on very slight differences of input.  Its easily illustrated on some fractals, the color you get varies wildly based on very slight changes of a point on the fractal's boundary.

You can certainly have chaos in an isolated system.

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