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OfflineAlan RockefellerM
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Psilocybe montana
    #8519158 - 06/13/08 12:51 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Finally found the type species of Psilocybe.  They were at high elevation between castle lake and upper castle lake surrounded by snowmelt.

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Re: Psilocybe montana [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8519334 - 06/13/08 01:43 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Very nice pictures, and assuming you got a spore print, are you going to try to cultivate any of these?

oh and what are these closest related to?
(they kinda  remind me of Galerina but i know they aren't)


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Re: Psilocybe montana [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8519365 - 06/13/08 01:50 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Nice find.:thumbup:
I wonder why they chose Psilocybe montana as the type species..
It has a very dark cap and grows on moss with a grey-brown print.
Not really your typical Psilocybe.


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Re: Psilocybe montana [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8519384 - 06/13/08 01:56 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Most things I've read say those aren't active correct?


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Re: Psilocybe montana [Re: Titsfan37]
    #8519457 - 06/13/08 02:16 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Very nice pictures, and assuming you got a spore print, are you going to try to cultivate any of these?




I didn't get a spore print because I had no idea what they were at the time.  It was on a really high elevation alpine hike and as the elevation increased the amt of snow did as well.  Almost had to swim at the beginning of the trail due to all the runoff. After awhile the trail was somewhere under the snow with no sign of it, so I walked where I thought the trail should be.    I saw these mushrooms in a little patch where the snow had melted, they were the first mushrooms I had seen all day. 

I did save some samples for microscopy.  Probably will not try to cultivate them.

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oh and what are these closest related to?
(they kinda  remind me of Galerina but i know they aren't)




They are more closely related to Galerina then they are to the active Psilocybes.  According to 117 clades they are in a clade with Kuehneromyces mutabilis

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Most things I've read say those aren't active correct?




Hopefully all the things you read said that. 

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I wonder why they chose Psilocybe montana as the type species..
It has a very dark cap and grows on moss with a grey-brown print.
Not really your typical Psilocybe.




They had a much different view of Psilocybe 100 years ago.  It was an extremely boring genera.  This is probably the most widely distributed species.


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Re: Psilocybe montana [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8519503 - 06/13/08 02:26 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Awesome Alan:thumbup: Thanks for sharing


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Re: Psilocybe montana [Re: fliped]
    #8519645 - 06/13/08 03:01 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

yes those small psilocybes  always in moss and in the edge of land slide  sometimes , i dont know if they grow in mexico but several species that resemble are here i hope we can see it .hope you found the elusive  king of those forest. it most be something  there or maybe a few inocybe  active.


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Re: Psilocybe montana [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8519865 - 06/13/08 03:50 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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I wonder why they chose Psilocybe montana as the type species..
It has a very dark cap and grows on moss with a grey-brown print.
Not really your typical Psilocybe.




They had a much different view of Psilocybe 100 years ago.  It was an extremely boring genera.  This is probably the most widely distributed species.



Actually, Ps. montana was almost certainly the first species described, thus the founding species of the genus!  That is how I understand it works.

the chemicals psilocin and psilocybin were again, very certainly named after the active species in the genus, thus Ps. montana was never named after the chemicals.

So basically, it was just a bunch of sensible choices at the time, but in light of recent discovery, these choices seem very confusing and poorly thought out.  In reality, no one fucked up.  It's just the way of scientific progression!  It get's confusing....


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Re: Psilocybe montana [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8519982 - 06/13/08 04:20 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Actually, Ps. montana was almost certainly the first species described, thus the founding species of the genus!




Actually according to Index Fungorum, the first Psilocybe species described was P. antillarum var. praelonga, by Fries in 1851.


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Re: Psilocybe montana [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8520109 - 06/13/08 04:47 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Hmmm....  I've not found a good way of discerning founding species on IF, short of looking through the species list and looking at the dates associated... Which seems a little sketchy, but you may be correct. 
I don't see how the type species is Ps. montana, when a Panaeolus was the first species named as Psilocybe, and was then replaced into Panaeolus.  I think we should ask Peter for a history lesson. :lol:


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Re: Psilocybe montana [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8520199 - 06/13/08 05:13 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

That's weird. How could a variation (praelonga) be described  before the original species.(antillarum)

I think P. montana was first described in 1871.?


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Re: Psilocybe montana [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8520574 - 06/13/08 06:40 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

That varietal name is what it's called now. It wasn't called that originally.

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Re: Psilocybe montana [Re: ToxicMan]
    #8520679 - 06/13/08 07:06 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

what was it called originally?


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Re: Psilocybe montana [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8520911 - 06/13/08 07:52 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

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Actually, Ps. montana was almost certainly the first species described, thus the founding species of the genus!




Actually according to Index Fungorum, the first Psilocybe species described was P. antillarum var. praelonga, by Fries in 1851.




funny how this make me remember this
"The first thing to be eaten at the feast were small black mushrooms that they called nanacatl and bring on drunkenness, hallucinations and even lechery; they ate these before the dawn...with honey; and when they began to feel the effects, they began to dance, some sang and others wept... When the drunkenness of the mushrooms had passed, they spoke with one another of the visions they had seen."
According to Sahagún, the psychoactive mushrooms which were ingested by the Aztec priests and their followers were always referred to as teonanácatl though the term does not appear to be used by modern indians or shamans in mesoamerica. 3 The varieties most likely to have been used by the Aztecs are Psilocybe caerulescens and Psilocybe mexicana. Psilocybe cubensis, which is currently quite popular as it is easy to locate and cultivate, was not introduced to America until the arrival of the Europeans and their cattle.

but  most likely  the most ancient probe register  use of entheogenic  mushrooms, in the codex they make some description of the mushrooms but to bad  linneo  did not come or Darwin or any of the naturalist , was only until  the rediscovery of the  cult  people  got interest in mushrooms here and of psilocybe all around the world . that really put the interest  subject in the genus 


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