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ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym)
    #8516719 - 06/12/08 06:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hey, I have this patch of mushrooms beside my wood pile that are always growing. They rarely grow huge (size of fully grown laughing Gym) most of them dry out before then unless theres a lot of rain (it is June after all) anyway, to the ID'ing...

Keep in mind that this specimen is young! but this is usually the most it will grow before drying up because of this June weather. I have only once found a full grown size of this mushroom in the 3 weeks ive known about it.


This shroom was the average size of the 10-11 i picked today, they all pretty much look the same.. I know.. crappy pictures ^.^ there from my webcam aha.











Habitat: theres a patch of them beside my wood pile, with rotting pieces of wood around it right beside bushes and long grass. I live up the road from the beach, so its quite misty in the mornings and nights.

Habit: seems to be a mix between gregarious and scattered. But the only place around my house i have found them growing is this one patch.

Gills: Dark brown on the edge of the gills, getting a lighter colored brown the deeper in the gills you look. Appear to be close, a little crowded. Appear to be attached to stem, i have the stem and cap separated for the spore print, so its a little hard to tell.

Cap: Light brown color, a little darker where the cap and gills meet on the edge. smoother on the outer edges of the cap, rougher in the middle. Cap shape is flat in the middle, curving a bit more the farther on the edge you go, from side view the gills can not be seen.

Spore print color: brown

Bruising: None.

Location: picked in Nova Scotia, Canada.

Smell: very light, if I put my nose right up to the gills i can smell it quite strongly though. Thought only way I can think to describe the smell is spicy mud..

Taste: bitter, not enjoyable.


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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: jerme212]
    #8516748 - 06/12/08 06:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think its Gymnopilus, the gills are too dark of a brown and the stem and cap is not yellow enough.  Looks a little like Agrocybe.

It would help to have clear pictures of some younger and older specimens and to know the spore print color.

Are they growing directly from wood or from the ground?  Or from buried wood in the ground?

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8516764 - 06/12/08 06:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The patch is a few feet away from my pile of wood, growing from the ground with wood chunks scattered a little around it. beside bushes and grass

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8516783 - 06/12/08 07:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Looks kinda small for gyms i agree with Alan the gills look too brown also its hard too tell but the cap does not appear scaly at all. The base of the stipe(stem)doesn't look correct either, gyms stems usually get significantly smaller at the base.

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8516798 - 06/12/08 07:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

the very center of the shroom is scaly (its also rougher feeling) but the rest of the cap is soft and delicate feeling

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: jerme212]
    #8516827 - 06/12/08 07:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Some photos of the mushrooms in sun light (or any light) would help a great deal!!!!


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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: CureCat]
    #8516837 - 06/12/08 07:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I will try and get a few photos by a light in a few min


Oh, and i  forgot to mention earlier, if i pull the sten out completely, roots and all, the very bottom is filles with white mycelium... and i doubt this makes a difference but slugs seem to love them lol ^.^

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: jerme212]
    #8517091 - 06/12/08 08:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Not G.junonius.Looks like a Hypholoma or maybe Psathyrella species(Lacrymaria even),although it's hard to see the gills.care for an egg salad sandwich?

Edited by DannyGlick (06/13/08 01:30 AM)

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: jerme212]
    #8517220 - 06/12/08 08:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Gymnopilus spectabilis :spock: also known as Gymnopilus junionus:naughty:, grows directly on wood.



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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8517232 - 06/12/08 08:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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warriorsoul said:I put squirrels in my pants quite regularly. :naughty: 




Buried wood and roots too.Spectabilis and junonius are one and the same.warriorsoul smells like carrots.

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: DannyGlick]
    #8517247 - 06/12/08 08:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

And G. junonius is the current name.


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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: CureCat]
    #8517248 - 06/12/08 08:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:pantsfase:

Edited by DannyGlick (06/13/08 12:29 AM)

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: CureCat]
    #8517275 - 06/12/08 09:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I liked spectabilis better.
I guess the point is, you wont find it growing from just soil at its base.

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8517312 - 06/12/08 09:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:yesnod:

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopius spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8517322 - 06/12/08 09:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ah ok, so its most likely not a laughing gym, though i still would love to know what it is, heres some nicer pics in some light










Spore print = Brown

I appreciate all of your help so far :smile: I jsut know if i dont figure out what this is,, t's gonna drive me crazy :laugh:

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopius spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: jerme212]
    #8517423 - 06/12/08 09:37 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmmm..... Cortinarius, Hebeloma??  Maybe... just some ideas.


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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopius spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: CureCat]
    #8517459 - 06/12/08 09:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Please post some pics of it in habitat.  Use a digital camera with macro mode enabled.

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopius spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8517524 - 06/12/08 10:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

nicer pics? There kinda blurry still dude no worries do what alan said for a good ID.

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopius spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8517536 - 06/12/08 10:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

He's using a web cam.  The photos are good enough resolution for me, but as Alan suggested, a scene shot would be particularly useful in IDing this mushroom.


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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: jerme212]
    #8517578 - 06/12/08 10:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Heres sum gyms i collected last month notice the bluing in the pic of the stipe its along the crack in the stem barely there but still bluing.

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: DannyGlick]
    #8518750 - 06/13/08 08:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I get a little squirrely when they go after me nuts.

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8522183 - 06/14/08 12:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with Alan that it looks like an Agrocybe, based on my wood-mulch and lawn findings over the past 1-2 months. The OP is a brave one in tasting the shroom before identifying it...:tongue:


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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: N2loma]
    #8522320 - 06/14/08 01:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Tasting a mushroom for identification purposes is fine as long as you spit it out after chewing and tasting (not eating).


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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: CureCat]
    #8523281 - 06/14/08 11:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Tasting a mushroom for identification purposes is fine as long as you spit it out after chewing and tasting (not eating).




I know, but I still think it is brave if one hasn't at least gotten the specimen down to Genus. I wouldn't taste an Inocybe for anything less than $100 :tongue:


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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: N2loma]
    #8523498 - 06/14/08 01:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I taste Inocybe all the time, not really very concerned about small amounts of muscarine.

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8523515 - 06/14/08 01:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't think its Gymnopilus, the gills are too dark of a brown and the stem and cap is not yellow enough.  Looks a little like Agrocybe.





I agree. I found a lot of Agrocybes growing from wood when I went hunting in GA about 3 weeks ago.

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: Gumby]
    #8523536 - 06/14/08 01:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Gills look free from the stem.

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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: CureCat]
    #8523723 - 06/14/08 02:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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And G. junonius is the current name.




Source please.  Who published this change and where?

Orton was the original publisher of the name G. junonius acoording to Hesler.

Is a new monograph available?


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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #8523793 - 06/14/08 02:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I also noticed that Mycologia, the peer-reviewed journal of the Mycological Society of America, was distinguishing between G. junonius and G. spectabilis as late as its 98(5), 2006 issue.


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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #8525374 - 06/14/08 11:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm...  Well, this is according to IF, and I have not read any good arguments for or against the synonymy.

http://indexfungorum.org/Names/SynSpecies.asp?RecordID=331593


Is this the Mycologia article you are referring to?  If you think it is a valuable read to shed some light on the issue, I will read it when I am at the University next.

http://www.mycologia.org/cgi/content/abstract/98/5/746


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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: CureCat]
    #8525426 - 06/14/08 11:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ahh the British Mycological Society.  That explains it.

Yes, that is the article.

If you don't mind look it up at the university and inform us about it.

I have special interests in Gymnopilus.

Now that DNA splitting is all the rage, someone really needs to do an entire monograph.  Hesler's is  1969 vintage, a bit old.


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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #8525445 - 06/14/08 11:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, too many mushrooms, too few researchers and too little time I'm afraid.  :frown:

Seriously, I'll try and look it up, but there is always a lot to do when I go to the lab, and I never know exactly how to search for the most recent phylogenetic studies on each genus/species.  But I'll try and do that and send myself the document so i can refer to it later.


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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: CureCat]
    #8525538 - 06/15/08 12:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you.

You know, CureCat, mycology has a serious lack of good field researchers (which is why the Shroomery makes advancements in it).

I know someone who could help if she were inclined.

Hint hint :wink:


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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #8525545 - 06/15/08 12:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm bad at hints.  I didn't get that last one.  But I had someone explain it to me...

Thanks!  :grin:


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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: CureCat]
    #8539543 - 06/19/08 02:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

*cough* synonym *cough*  :wink:


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Re: ID Reuqest; possible young Gymnopilus spectabilis (Laughing Gym) [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9552816 - 01/05/09 06:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, the original photos are too blurry to tell anything... G.spectabilis some reather big IME

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