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Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush
    #8516267 - 06/12/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)




You didn't see this on the news
This is a serious motion, delivered on the floor of Congress, to impeach President George W. Bush.

It happened just a few days ago.

Did you see it on the news?

No.

But you can see it on Brasscheck TV.

By the way, much of the evidence presented by Rep. Dennis Kucinich regarding fraud in the 2004 presidential election was presented in detail months ago on Brasscheck TV.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8516278 - 06/12/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

> Did you see it on the news?

Yep.  I read about it on several different news outlets.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8516554 - 06/12/08 06:00 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

And - to the surprise of no one with more than a dozen functioning brain cells - Congress has already sent it off to legislative limbo to die on the vine rather than embarrass the more-or-less rational Dems.




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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: Phred]
    #8516596 - 06/12/08 06:15 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I, zappaisgod, demand the involuntary commitment to a suitable sheltered asylum of Dennis Kucinich.  After nearly eight years of this pointless nonsense he persists in tilting at windmills.  We all know what that means.  He's nuts.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8516634 - 06/12/08 06:26 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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You didn't see this on the news





It's been all over the news.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/11/kucinich.impeach.vote/


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8516658 - 06/12/08 06:32 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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You didn't see this on the news






Why do you tell such lies?


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8516693 - 06/12/08 06:41 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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I, zappaisgod, demand the involuntary commitment to a suitable sheltered asylum of Dennis Kucinich.  After nearly eight years of this pointless nonsense he persists in tilting at windmills.  We all know what that means.  He's nuts.



yeah, he's obviously nuts because he doesn't want our country ran by a criminal.

how do people keep defending bush after all of his shit? he's even made the statement that he wished america was a dictatorship because it would be easier!!! that pretty much sums up his attitude towards his job. he tries to get away with too much.

the only part about this that is nuts is that bush will not end up getting impeached, when he should have been long ago.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: rev 766]
    #8516752 - 06/12/08 06:54 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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how do people keep defending bush after all of his shit? he's even made the statement that he wished america was a dictatorship because it would be easier!!!




1.  No he didn't say he wished america would be a dictatorship- lie

2.  "all this shit" is vague, and is a poor question.  Your just asking people to argue from an abstract notion

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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: rev 766]
    #8516803 - 06/12/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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rev 766 said:
yeah, he's obviously nuts because he doesn't want our country ran by a criminal.




it's run by thousands of them, what difference does one more make



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the only part about this that is nuts is that bush will not end up getting impeached, when he should have been long ago.






with only 38 minutes left in his final term of office,
I dont understand why he's even bothering

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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8516849 - 06/12/08 07:19 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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2.  "all this shit" is vague, and is a poor question.  Your just asking people to argue from an abstract notion



"all this shit" was actually a reference to the laundry list of offenses mr. kucinich lists off

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with only 38 minutes left in his final term of office,
I dont understand why he's even bothering




would the army give a dishonorable discharge to someone about to be released from duty? it looks better in the history books.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: rev 766]
    #8516885 - 06/12/08 07:30 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)


why not just wait until he's out of office and bring charges
against him, as it stands it's yet another waste of tax dollars by
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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #8517112 - 06/12/08 08:23 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Kucinich also charges that Bush has illegally detained without charge both U.S. citizens and "foreign captives," and violated numerous U.S. laws through the use of "signing statements" declaring his intention to do so.



What's with the quotation marks??


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: elbisivni]
    #8517373 - 06/12/08 09:21 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

How about his commuting the sentence of the criminal Libby?  It is absolute proof that he operates on the policy that he and his cronies are above the law.

There is nothing vague about what Kucinich is saying.  Bush's reasons for going into Iraq were vague.  Bush's investigation of 9/11 was vague.  Cheney's responsibility as part of the executive branch is vague.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: Minstrel]
    #8517665 - 06/12/08 10:51 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Nancy Pelosi is spineless and at the very least I hope Sheehan's campaign against her splits the vote to get anyone but Pelosi elected. The Democrats as a whole are spineless and seem to bend on a lot of issues.

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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: LaineRB]
    #8517911 - 06/13/08 12:05 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Oh yeah... Cindy Sheehan is gonna get a ton of votes.





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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: Phred]
    #8518214 - 06/13/08 02:01 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

c'mon phred, having your son killed in war obviously gives you qualification to be a senator. :wink:

i could see her getting votes from retarded idealists in cally, though. while i agree with her that the president should be impeached for scooter's sentence reduction (among other things) i really don't think running for senate with no experience is going to help america any.

i'm all for idealism, but there has to be a line where people know what they are doing, for fuck's sake.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: Phred]
    #8518259 - 06/13/08 02:14 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Oh yeah... Cindy Sheehan is gonna get a ton of votes.





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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: rev 766]
    #8518260 - 06/13/08 02:14 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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  i agree with her that the president should be impeached for scooter's sentence reduction 




and what crime did he commit in doing that?

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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8518432 - 06/13/08 03:51 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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You didn't see this on the news






Why do you tell such lies?




You should insult the size of my penis instead, but I won't fault your clumsy attempt at skirting issues and humour.

I don't watch american telly, I do read a few american newspapers, but really, chemistry and history books are far more interesting than wafting through pages of "Pierce, Celtics fight back from 24 down for 3-1 lead on Lakers" or "In 'court of public opinion,' R. Kelly's case has already been decided". Not that interesting.

This news is not on the BBC, except in one of their workers blogs. I doubt this story will be given as much attention as whatever the latest change a celebrity has made in their life.

And it's a shame. This guy is calling out Bush as being unconstitutional. Don't get to the point like here in the UK where polititians get off on shitting on the magna carta. A modern day facist state is not cool, and it's not worth your effort defending.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: johnm214]
    #8518546 - 06/13/08 05:16 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

> and what crime did he commit in doing that?

The crime of invoking Bill Clinton's presidential pardon authority.  The US Constitution, Article II, Section 2, clearly states that as president, Bill Clinton, and only Bill Clinton, is allowed to pardon all of his friends and business associates.  For more details, look up the Pardongate controversy.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/clinton/pardonrpt/


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8523351 - 06/14/08 12:25 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Visionary Tools said:

You didn't see this on the news






Why do you tell such lies?




You should insult the size of my penis instead, but I won't fault your clumsy attempt at skirting issues and humour.

I don't watch american telly, I do read a few american newspapers, but really, chemistry and history books are far more interesting than wafting through pages of "Pierce, Celtics fight back from 24 down for 3-1 lead on Lakers" or "In 'court of public opinion,' R. Kelly's case has already been decided". Not that interesting.

This news is not on the BBC, except in one of their workers blogs. I doubt this story will be given as much attention as whatever the latest change a celebrity has made in their life.

And it's a shame. This guy is calling out Bush as being unconstitutional. Don't get to the point like here in the UK where polititians get off on shitting on the magna carta. A modern day facist state is not cool, and it's not worth your effort defending.




This grandstanding idiot is calling for something that is clearly not going to happen and which there is no basis for. 
Now as for whether you lie or not I will say this:
You make a statement that "you" will not see this on the news.  That means people other than yourself and can further be extrapolated to mean that this will be unavailable to the greater population of Shroomerites, the overwhelming majority of which is US of American (I believe).  This has been shown to be clearly false, it has been widely reported.  You then go on to state that you have essentially zero knowledge of US news sources.  Yet, you felt compelled to make an incorrect assertion fully cognizant of your own ignorance of the subject at hand.  I suspect similar behavior regarding most of your other statements, as well, considering their routinely ill-conceived and ill-informed nature.  Perhaps that is a function of the fact that the BBC is your primary news source.

Regarding your penis I have absolutely nothing to say.  I am ignorant on that topic and not the least bit interested in doing the research.  Post pics in OTD if you want.  Have a nice day


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8523475 - 06/14/08 01:04 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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This grandstanding idiot is calling for something that is clearly not going to happen and which there is no basis for. 





how is it not called for?????
i guess you never glanced at this document i posted the other day

whatever, your conservative. the truth can't phase your resolve.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: rev 766]
    #8523506 - 06/14/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Oh stop the bs man.  Being conservative is a philosophical and practical ideology, no more distorts one's perception than any other ideology, and you claiming so makes you look silly.

And what specifically are you citing us to and where in the 170+ pages is the crime?  In response I'll cite you to the library of congress.... Why don't you narrow down your citation a bit?



Tyrany is tyrany whether or not the ends are just.  Bush is a jackass, but to remove him when he's not commited an impeachable offense is ridiculous and undermines democracy.  When you get a maverick you like and folks want to impeach him you might sing a different tune.  The rule of law is important.

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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: Seuss]
    #8523513 - 06/14/08 01:15 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

bush is scum of earth scum. kucinich and ro paul are not corporate whores, any other poiticians can take that claim? ?  ??

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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: ontherun]
    #8523520 - 06/14/08 01:18 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

disregard politics and dont pay taxes, eventualy they will wither away.
seriously, eph the government, anarchy would be an improvement
i need to eph the system
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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: ontherun]
    #8523521 - 06/14/08 01:19 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

eph that, I like the system (for the most part).

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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: ontherun]
    #8523533 - 06/14/08 01:23 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

the important thing to remember is that nothing will be done about this. it'll die in the judiciary committee and suffer the same fate as kucinich's impeachment of cheney. ironically, the rupublicans were the only people to actually vote for discussion of cheney's impeachment. the dems did not support kucinich's resolution at all.

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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: johnm214]
    #8523553 - 06/14/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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And what specifically are you citing us to and where in the 170+ pages is the crime? 





alright, the other day i had cited page 70 and 73 specifically. the document as a whole is backing up kucinich's claim of a propaganda campaign. which is an abuse of the office of president.

i maintain my point that conservatism distorts peoples perception. this is based on empirical evidence, but based on that, i guess i could be wrong. if i am wrong however, the evidence just points me to believe that every one that i have ever heard or talked to is a liar.

clinton was the best thing that happened to this country in a long time. while his hearings were retarded, because getting a knob job is not against the law, his impeachment was just, due to the fact that he lied under oath.

the law is the law. bush is a liar and a fuck.

edit-while i do support the changing of some laws (obviously, if you couldn't tell from my avatar) the ones that regulate our elected officials are the most important, and based on the constitution itself. i don't want to be called a hypocrite because i don't think "drugs are bad"


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: rev 766]
    #8523566 - 06/14/08 01:34 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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This grandstanding idiot is calling for something that is clearly not going to happen and which there is no basis for. 





how is it not called for?????
i guess you never glanced at this document i posted the other day

whatever, your conservative. the truth can't phase your resolve.




No as a matter of fact I didn't bother to read that report.  Did you? (The bet here is NO).  But I am quite aware that there is absolutely nothing remotely indictable in it, because I would have heard about it.  I'm also aware that this is a partisan piece of hackery.  Except for the everfeckless Snowe and Hagel it is strictly along party lines.  You have a limited understanding of the constitutional standards for impeachment, obviously, as does the grandstanding moron, Kookinich.  Disagreeing with the President is not one.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8523578 - 06/14/08 01:38 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:

This grandstanding idiot is calling for something that is clearly not going to happen and which there is no basis for. 





how is it not called for?????
i guess you never glanced at this document i posted the other day

whatever, your conservative. the truth can't phase your resolve.




No as a matter of fact I didn't bother to read that report.  Did you? (The bet here is NO).  But I am quite aware that there is absolutely nothing remotely indictable in it, because I would have heard about it.  I'm also aware that this is a partisan piece of hackery.  Except for the everfeckless Snowe and Hagel it is strictly along party lines.  You have a limited understanding of the constitutional standards for impeachment, obviously, as does the grandstanding moron, Kookinich.  Disagreeing with the President is not one.




and once again, the truth cannot weaken your resolve. you don't even glance at it. by the way, it does have a quote from cheney that, is not only proven to be a complete fabrication, indicates iraq having a connection with 9/11.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: rev 766]
    #8523595 - 06/14/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Where?  I just went over 70 and 73 and there is absolutely nothing there that could be construed as a lie.

The fallacy of the relentlessly Bush Deranged is that they believe ALL the intelligence must come to the same conclusion before ANY intelligence should be acted upon.  This is a pipe dream.  Put down the bong.  I believe the entire population of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees voted for the AUMF.  They cannot claim they were duped except at risk of admitting to being idiots.

The Dems have held control for almost 2 years and except for a handful of nutty grandstanding douchebags this is going nowhere.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8523633 - 06/14/08 01:54 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

are you that high? while not all intelligence has to be in agreement, why did they feel the need to shove this in america's face so much? maybe because they knew that if we didn't think there was a definite threat the approval rating for the war would be zip.

it was a propaganda campaign, plain and simple. it was deliberate misrepresentation of half-truths. impeach the bastards and it will prove america is not lost.

if impeachment hearings can be brought against a president for merely lying to save face (which i don't agree with) after a tubb gave him a BJ, lying and causing uneccesary  deaths and debt has to be an impeachable offense.

edit-it's the lying that clinton did that i don't agree with, once again, the impeachment itself was just. this argument is not about my bias, although i will admit my bias runs deep.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: rev 766]
    #8523649 - 06/14/08 01:58 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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For several years various whackos have been challenged to find the quote from the administration that blames Iraq for 9/11.  No one has actually succeeded.  But you can cling to that notion if you like.




"...it's been pretty well confirmed that [Mohammed Atta] did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Irigqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the attack. Now, what the purpose of that was, what transpired between them, we simply don't know at this point, but that's clearly an avenue that we want to pursue."-Vice President Richard Cheney, Meet the Press, December 9, 2001
http://intelligence.senate.gov/080605/phase2a.pdf
i believe that tidbit is on page 70. then on page 73 you have this:
(U) Conclusion 14. The Intelligence Community did not confirm that Muhammad Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001

is dickhead cheney part of the administration? if you try to turn this around by using the fact that he said "pretty well confirmed" and admitted that they didn't know what went on at the meeting that never happened, i must point out first that this kind of dishonesty to the american people should just not be tolerated, but most of all, READ THE LINK. the document WELL establishes that this statement among many many others were part of a propaganda campaign to sucker us into war.

sorry to have to fuck up your argument and/or belief that there was no such quote, but you left me no choice. open your eyes. republicans fuck anyone as long as it will give them more power or money. in this case they got both. haliburtonhaliburtonhaliburton. i wonder how much of the taxpayers wasted 2.5 billion dollars, for a service that haliburton was not able to perform and therefore never finished, saw its way into the pockets of it's former CEO for making it all possible with his lies?




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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: rev 766]
    #8523727 - 06/14/08 02:24 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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"...it's been pretty well confirmed that [Mohammed Atta] did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Irigqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the attack. Now, what the purpose of that was, what transpired between them, we simply don't know at this point, but that's clearly an avenue that we want to pursue."-Vice President Richard Cheney, Meet the Press, December 9, 2001
http://intelligence.senate.gov/080605/phase2a.pdf




I believe it was the Czechs who told them that.  At any rate, where in that quote does Cheney blame Iraq for 9/11?  I direct your attention to this sentence;
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what the purpose of that was, what transpired between them, we simply don't know at this point



How the fuck anyone can construe that as Cheney saying Iraq was responsible for 9/11 is beyond me.  Is English your native language?


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    #8523741 - 06/14/08 02:29 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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And what specifically are you citing us to and where in the 170+ pages is the crime? 





alright, the other day i had cited page 70 and 73 specifically. the document as a whole is backing up kucinich's claim of a propaganda campaign. which is an abuse of the office of president.

the law is the law. bush is a liar and a fuck. 





Okay, so you kinda answered the question's first part.  Now tell me what crime was committed, citation please

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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: johnm214]
    #8523832 - 06/14/08 02:54 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

abuse of power. kucinich lays out the case, i was just giving clout to his argument.

and by the way, zappaisgod, ok, so he didn't explicitly say "iraq helped out with 9/11" but he and the rest of the administration implied it, even though they had no intelligence supporting the claim that iraq supported the al-qaida. other terrorist organizations, yes, but cheney felt the need to plant the idea in our heads that it was specifically al-qaida.

the meeting never even happened, yet he says "it's been pretty well confirmed". i don't know what you call that. your arguing literal meanings of his statement. if you don't get that he was trying to convince americans that iraq had something to do with 9/11 then i don't even see the point of debating anything with you anymore.

is english YOUR native language, or are you using a translation dictionary and getting confused about what's between the lines? you see, in english we do this thing called "implying" something. it allows you to make outright lies and then deny what you meant by it later on. in this case, cheney is "implying" an iraqi connection with 9/11 to americans to get them to support a pointless war.

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    #8523870 - 06/14/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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abuse of power. kucinich lays out the case, i was just giving clout to his argument.





Ok, again, I'd like a citation.

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Okay, so you kinda answered the question's first part.  Now tell me what crime was committed, citation please






I've never heard of the offense of abuse of power, so please cite it.  A search of title 18 reveals no such phrase being used, so I'm guessing you made it up until you can show my elsewhere.

As to "kuccinich lays out the case" so what?  I never said you had to have an original idea, I just asked for what he did that broke the law, and what law that was.

So far you've apparently fabricated some offense, which is specifically why I asked for a citation- so you didn't make something up, which you've apparently done anyways.




You've supported impeachment and conviction, and I'm asking you:  What law did he violate and what evidence supports your contention?  Give a specific citation to each.

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    #8523956 - 06/14/08 03:25 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

No, I asked for what the crime was, I didn't ask to read a dense 12-page article.

Given the repeated chances you've had to specify the grounds you base your argument on, I can only conclude you just want an undemocratic solution to a problem you see- irregardless of the law.


I truly hope you and your friends don't ever find your way to a jury box.

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    #8523990 - 06/14/08 03:34 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

"However, since impeachment is inherently political, and not a legal process, there is no exact definition of what constitutes an impeachable offense. Therefore, this list is not necessarily accurate. Simply stated, it is up to Congress to determine if something rises to the level of "high crimes and misdemeanors.""


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    #8524148 - 06/14/08 04:18 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

See: forum rules, cite?

And, what's your point?

That congress has the ability to disregard the constitution cuz the supreme court will likely not stop them?  So what?  You're advocating lawlessness? 


So is the constitution law or is it not?  Its law when someone wants to put you in jail or take your house for no reason, but its not when you don't like the president and want him removed despite the wishes of the public who voted for him?

And I guess you've conceeded he's commited no crime?  Or was this just an aside?

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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: johnm214]
    #8529161 - 06/16/08 08:21 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I have written letters to my State Representatives, asking them to support Kucinich's articles of impeachment, and to restore our Constitution.

The Supreme Court has already ruled against Bush and his unconstitutional removal of Habeas Corpus with the Patriot Act. It seems to me that if the President is doing things that are unconstitutional, then the next action according to our system is impeachment.

Kucinich has already announced that should these Articles be swept under the rug, he will return with 60 articles of impeachment next time.

IMHO, the only hope for the future of this country, is the impeachment and trial of Bush and co. for treason. This would prevent future President's from trying to pull this stuff in the future. Hopefully, it would also leave room for politicians to readjust our priorities as a nation, and focus on things that might make this a better place to live...
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    #8529195 - 06/16/08 08:48 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Kucinich has already announced that should these Articles be swept under the rug, he will return with 60 articles of impeachment next time.




And when he does, Congress will - again - consign them to legislative limbo as quickly as they did this time. The man is a loon and a crank.




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    #8529199 - 06/16/08 08:49 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

The man is a loon and a crank.

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    #8529561 - 06/16/08 11:37 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Because I've read transcripts of the debates and seen enough videos of him speaking to know he's a loon and a crank. Just reading his list of articles of impeachment is enough to determine he's a loon and a crank, fa cryin' out loud.




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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: Phred]
    #8529597 - 06/16/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Just reading his list of articles of impeachment is enough to determine he's a loon and a crank, fa cryin' out loud.




Phred



hmmmmmmmm......except for they don't. they ARE enough to determine that he isn't on your side. but i guess that would make him a "loon and a crank".
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    #8529666 - 06/16/08 12:21 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Because I've read transcripts of the debates and seen enough videos of him speaking to know he's a loon and a crank. Just reading his list of articles of impeachment is enough to determine he's a loon and a crank, fa cryin' out loud.




Phred




I disagree. I am very happy to say I think Kucinich is a true patriot for being standing up for what is right.

I also read some of the transcripts of debates, and I've too seen countless videos of him speaking.

I feel that the only thing wrong with the 35 Articles of Impeachment is that it doesn't cover all of the transgressions of this administration, and also by wording it that the Pres. and co. "lied to Congress", I feel it unrightfully removes their own accountability. In my opinion Congress too should be held accountable for the damage they did to our constitution. No amount of the President lying to them would be a suitable excuse for messing with the constitutional rights of American citizens.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: TheHappieHippies]
    #8529951 - 06/16/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

He has been babbling this nonsense for years and it never gets anywhere even when the Dems control both branches of Congress.  Maybe you should buy a clue.  This is like arguing with the nitwits who thought Ron Paul was going to be the Republican nominee.  He can bring one hundred million articles of impeachment if he wishes, it will amount to zero because sane people in the government and elsewhere know there is NO CASE.  I hope he does.  It will prevent him from doing anything else that might cause real damage.  He's a daft bint mumbling comforting syllables over and over again in a padded room.  Get over it or join him.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #8531581 - 06/16/08 09:12 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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You didn't see this on the news





It's been all over the news.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/11/kucinich.impeach.vote/




It would be more concise to say that although there is limited exposure, for the most part there is a media blackout on the impeachment issue. If this was about a missing pregnant women or Britney spears CNN , FOX & MSNBC  would be covering every damn minute of it.

Congrats.. Point out some minor media exposure and claim no blackout. It's quite a trick of logic to deny media censorship while simultaneously supporting it.  DOUBLETHINK.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: Phred]
    #8531626 - 06/16/08 09:24 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Because I've read transcripts of the debates and seen enough videos of him speaking to know he's a loon and a crank. Just reading his list of articles of impeachment is enough to determine he's a loon and a crank, fa cryin' out loud.





Always remember that brilliant political debate is based solely on name calling backed up with absolutely no rational thought.

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    #8531732 - 06/16/08 09:58 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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It would be more concise to say that although there is limited exposure, for the most part there is a media blackout on the impeachment issue. If this was about a missing pregnant women or Britney spears CNN , FOX & MSNBC  would be covering every damn minute of it.

Congrats.. Point out some minor media exposure and claim no blackout. It's quite a trick of logic to deny media censorship while simultaneously supporting it.  DOUBLETHINK.




So this is just a whine?

You think more people care about these articles of impeachment than the past britney spears hijinks or a missing woman they've hyped?  Got any evidence?

Sounds to me like your just whining.

Anyone interested in politics, doesn't seem like very many people really- besides those who make asanine conclusions upon a very low level of knowledge, has allready heard about this.

You apear to be whining that the media doesn't promote what topics you think they should.

Cry me a river.  Creat a demand and people will care and the news coverage will increase....

I heard about the all over, what evidence do you have of suppresion other than the fact people have talked about Britney Spears?

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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: johnm214]
    #8531957 - 06/16/08 11:00 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Ahh yes. Pointing out media manipulation of the masses is of course nothing but whining! How could I have missed that?

I'm SURE the media will change their coverage to match the public viewpoint.. They wouldn't possibly endlessly flood us with information slanted to what benefits the elite over the general population, regardless of what is going on in the polls. I mean Its not like establishment would ever do what they want over the general publics interest or opinions. I can't possibly think of endless examples of that.

"Anyone interested in politics, doesn't seem like very many people really- besides those who make asanine conclusions upon a very low level of knowledge, has allready heard about this."

I suppose it would be rude for me to point out your inability to compose coherent sentences, eh?

I'll do my best to interpret your broken English.

Your right. Thinking about real issues and what has a very real effect on our lives, our liberty.. This is not COOL and being an American should be entirely based around acting cool and being mindlessly obedient to authority, oh and shouting down anyone who doesn't.. Calling them names.

Remember.. The average american is so dumbed down at this point that you can only debate in short packageable statements like "9/11", or "Change".

It's cool. Keep believing the television, because they would never wrong you...

evidence of Media bias?  Ron Paul. If the media covered issues in accordance to popularity, Ron Paul would be running against Obama right now.

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    #8532107 - 06/16/08 11:46 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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It's cool. Keep believing the television, because they would never wrong you...




I don't own a tv and I don't know why you presume I "believe television"- whatever that means.

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I suppose it would be rude for me to point out your inability to compose coherent sentences, eh?




Irrelevant perhaps, and wrong, as you seem to have deciphered them.

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Ahh yes. Pointing out media manipulation of the masses is of course nothing but whining! How could I have missed that?

I'm SURE the media will change their coverage to match the public viewpoint.. They wouldn't possibly endlessly flood us with information slanted to what benefits the elite over the general population, regardless of what is going on in the polls. I mean Its not like establishment would ever do what they want over the general publics interest or opinions. I can't possibly think of endless examples of that.





I've suggested the media covers what people are interested in, and you've responded by making more silly presumptions. 

I asked before and I ask now if you have any evidence of this beyond your say so, including the ron paul thing which wasn't substantiated with anything.

You seem to prefer oppression by the media "elites" to the oppression of the majority of the voters and consumers in this country- I presume it makes you feel empowered.  Nonetheless, untill you show otherwise, I continue to presume there's no conspiracy, and suggest its more likely that media covers what their audience cares for, not what they want them to care for.

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    #8532674 - 06/17/08 05:41 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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for the most part there is a media blackout on the impeachment issue.




Believe whatever you wish to believe. There was no media blackout.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Jun09/0,4670,KucinichImpeachment,00.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5034180

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0930198820080610

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/washington/11repbrf.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=Kucinich&st=nyt&oref=slogin

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/09/kucinich-introduces-bush_n_106191.html

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=dennis+kucinich&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&ct=rels_0

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    #8532852 - 06/17/08 08:21 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

It's old tired news that nobody gives a shit about.

I give a shit. In fact I'd give all my shits to make a difference.

You're right, the media has covered it some. But doesn't anyone remember the CONSTANT media coverage over Bill Clinton's impeachment? Over the definition of "sexual relations" which had little to NO impact on Clinton's duties as President? This does seem a little more relevant then that debacle...


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    #8533246 - 06/17/08 10:44 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

That's because Clinton actually was impeached. Bush hasn't been. Nor will he be.




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    #8533528 - 06/17/08 12:37 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

That's because Clinton actually was impeached. Bush hasn't been. Nor will he be.

Maybe I should have been more specific. I was referring to the constant media coverage of Clinton's personal life, leading up to his impeachment, the process of impeachment and the aftermath.

The funny thing is, the crimes Bush has been accused of are far worse then Clinton's blow-job. They involve every citizen of this country, and citizens of the world at large.

Whether or not YOU think he is guilty is irrelevant. The fact that it has been "sent off to legislative limbo to die on the vine" compared to the very short impeachment process of Clinton is ridiculous and irresponsible.

More then one member of our congress and many other individuals who hold office in our government, feel strongly that these impeachment articles are accurate and important. That alone should be enough to hear the case against him in a timely manner.

After a preponderance of the evidence by the Supreme Court, if they should find that Bush has not committed an impeachable offense, then all of us "retarded idiots" would have to shut up, right? And if they should find him guilty of all of, or even just some of those crimes, then the sooner our country moves on the better, right?


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    #8535999 - 06/18/08 01:59 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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I've suggested the media covers what people are interested in, and you've responded by making more silly presumptions.




And I'm suggesting that the idea of the media covering simply what people are interested in is a total crock of shit.

I brought up Ron Paul because Ive had the personal experience of going out to media events, been in massive crowds of hundreds of Ron Paul fans, looking around and seeing only a few supporters of other candidates even out there to support their candidate. Fox news came, filmed two of the McCain supporters (the only two), totally ignored the massive Ron Paul crowd. The next day in the papers the picture of the people in the debate curiously had all the other debaters except Ron Paul in the picture without a single mention of him in the three publications I read that day.

OF COURSE the media covers what they want to cover and not the people. OF COURSE.. The media sways the weak, dumbed down minds of America. They don't cover what people want to hear, they cover what they want you to hear.

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Irrelevant perhaps, and wrong, as you seem to have deciphered them.




Having the ability to decipher something does not make it fluent, it only shows that I'm able to painstakingly guess your broken thoughts.  I'm none to nit pick minor issues of language, I don't try to win arguments over simple grammar or spelling because I'm pretty relaxed about it myself.. but when its becomes so bad that people can barely speak or write coherently I have to step up and say WTF is going on with you?

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You seem to prefer oppression by the media "elites" to the oppression of the majority of the voters and consumers in this country




Perfer? You think I perfer this? You have no idea how much i would perfer to be WRONG. The truth is thousands of times more disturbing, more awful, more frightening to me than anything I would ever PERFER. I would perfer to live a simple life of being free and being left alone by those who would wish to control others. Denying that there is a social predator class that seeks to manipulate and control is BEYOND naive.. perhaps it is you that perfers to live in a nice cozy land of make believe where people don't look out for their own interests, a place where humanity doesn't do, what it's always done. Use whatever word makes you feel most confident in dismissing it..  It would be horrific to recognize that conspiracy simply requires two businessmen in a room left alone with the darker sides of human nature.

If this were an issue that could be used to further distract the people of America of how badly they are being raped every day, in every way, it would be plastered all over the media all within a nice little spectrum of false choices.. But since this issue seeks to free humanity from those who seek to enslave it, it would be suppressed as much as possible, and otherwise pounded into submission.. So much so that people like you will be helping them without having any idea what they are co-operating with.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: prototypical_man]
    #8536056 - 06/18/08 02:36 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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I've suggested the media covers what people are interested in, and you've responded by making more silly presumptions.




And I'm suggesting that the idea of the media covering simply what people are interested in is a total crock of shit.

I brought up Ron Paul because Ive had the personal experience of going out to media events, been in massive crowds of hundreds of Ron Paul fans, looking around and seeing only a few supporters of other candidates even out there to support their candidate. Fox news came, filmed two of the McCain supporters (the only two), totally ignored the massive Ron Paul crowd. The next day in the papers the picture of the people in the debate curiously had all the other debaters except Ron Paul in the picture without a single mention of him in the three publications I read that day.





Are you implying that Ron Paul did not get any coverage?

A quick search yields:

58,000+ results at msnbc.com
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804 results on foxnews.com
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511 results on cnn.com
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There was absolutely no media blackout on Ron Paul. The majority of Americans just didn't find him very appealing at all. But no he didn't get as much coverage as the candidates who the majority found appealing, and why should he? I actually liked some of Ron Paul's ideas before coming to the conclusion that he is extremely incompetent and would do a terrible job as president of the United States.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #8536132 - 06/18/08 03:31 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I think the ron paul thing is easily a result of the fact that he was getting 2-3% in polls untill it got closer to primary time, and people were dicounting these.

I think paul got a pretty fair amount of coverage really. I agree w/ matt that not many people care for his ideas.


As for the prefer comment, it seems folks like to feel like their being oppressed- it's somewhat empowering as they, or their countrymen, are nolonger are to blame for their failings.  Paul didn't get coverage cuz people didn't like him later, and didn't know who he was at first.  I'd be shocked if a majority of voters could describe his philosophy when asked who he is.


When you don't seem to have any evidence to back you up it really does seem like your joining the crowd of people who likes to constantly revolt against the injustices they face- whether or not their are any.  Its alot easier on the mind to feel that the country is in your favor and only hasn't been expossed to the truth rather than the public disagrees with you/ supports stupid policies.  You're right, everybody agrees with you, the voters/public just hasn't been saved by the media....

I'm reminded of some folks I meant in berkeley.  They were smoking a bong in a co-op and were talking about marijuana policy.  One said, "I can't believe marijuana is illegal- nobody thinks it should be anymore, those politicians are just oppressing us.  I don't even no anyone who's for criminalizing marijuana..."

Being from Berkeley these folks had no idea what the majority of folks thought and felt the government was just oppressing them against the public's will .  Me being from the midwest, and noing more than a handful of young stoners, had a better idea that people actually do support prohibition.

I think its a similar defense mechanism going on with you.

Paul lost cause people didn't like him

There was no conspiracy, or if there was, you've shown no evidence of it.

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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #8538840 - 06/18/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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I actually liked some of Ron Paul's ideas before coming to the conclusion that he is extremely incompetent and would do a terrible job as president of the United States.



Good point, the other candidates are sooo much more qualified and promising..


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: elbisivni]
    #8539545 - 06/19/08 02:54 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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I actually liked some of Ron Paul's ideas before coming to the conclusion that he is extremely incompetent and would do a terrible job as president of the United States.



Good point, the other candidates are sooo much more qualified and promising..




I think McCain is promising, much more so than Obama.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: elbisivni]
    #8539606 - 06/19/08 03:42 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

> I think McCain is promising, much more so than Obama.

... yes, but can he deliver on those promises, should he get elected?  Most politicians will say anything to get elected, and then selectively forget about those promises once elected.


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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: Seuss]
    #8539876 - 06/19/08 07:01 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Censored: Kucinich calls for impeachment of Bush [Re: TheHappieHippies]
    #8548731 - 06/21/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

200 hundred more years in iraq is very promising

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