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OfflineGhostWalker
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spiritual use?
    #849836 - 08/28/02 07:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Do you classify your use as ethnogen or drug? Lifestyle, belief, or religious (spiritual) conviction? What do you think determines the difference? Is the use of mushrooms or another ethnogen ESSENTIAL to your spiritual beliefs/practices?

Alcohol is lifestyle for me; I use it when I go hang out with people to add to the enjoyment of the evening.

For me, MJ is belief. I believe that MJ can open up my creativity, enhance
meditation, facilitate communication, and even deepen a spiritual life. I can see why Rasta's hold it as a sacrament, but it isn't an essential tool for me.

Mushrooms, Aya (and the elf spices), and mescaline containing cacti,are for me a conviction. Without them, you stumble through realms of the spirit without a guide, without an outside source lighting your path. No person can intercede between you and the Goddess, only her gifts can show you how to access your true being and commune with Her.

Salvia I am still undecided and exploring.

I am curious as to what perspective other people have for themselves... what are allies they hold sacred and what is holds nothing supernatural...


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Re: spiritual use? [Re: GhostWalker]
    #849885 - 08/28/02 08:08 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: spiritual use? [Re: Lallafa]
    #849898 - 08/28/02 08:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I'm still new here, pardon if I am wrong, but is THAT (the pic there) what is considered a post-whore responce? Any help with this would be appreciated...


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Re: spiritual use? [Re: GhostWalker]
    #850213 - 08/28/02 11:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

pardon me if I'm wrong, but aren't you Makaveli's puppet?


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Edited by Mystical_Craven (08/28/02 11:05 PM)


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Re: spiritual use? [Re: GhostWalker]
    #850238 - 08/28/02 11:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

But in all seriousness, to answer your questions -

I tend to classify pretty much everything from asprin to heroin a drug. Cause in my mind, this takes away all the cultural conditioning of drugs being 'bad' and in a way, almost forces people to realize that there are quite a lot of 'drugs' out there that are helpful. I personally think that choosing the whole ethnogen label only seperates them from the typical stereotype - thereby leaving that whole 'drugs are bad...mmmkay' impression alive and kickin. ..... And I'm not saying that my choice of trying to get people desensitized to the term 'drug' is actually going to have any sort of major impact or anything, but I certainly think it's a good place to start.

Now as far as how I choose to lable my drug usage (or, more specifically - what lable best fits my reasoning behind my using such drugs) I'd say that all depends on which drug. I personally use marijuana for medicinal purposes these days almost as much as I use it recreationally...so I'd have to say for that, it's all about lifestyle. But when it comes to mushrooms, however, there's a much greater emphasis on religious conviction. In my eyes religious ceremonies that happen to involve mind altering substances, are still just religious ceremonies...and as such, I certainly wouldn't consider something like that recreational. ..... Which, of course, leads right into your next question. I think the difference is in the intentions behind using the drug. Anyone can potentionally abuse any drug out there (for the most part anyway) and anyone could find some way to use any of em recreationally...so, as far as I see it - the drug itself being used isn't nearly as important as the reason for taking the drug (whatever that may be) and I think that reason is what defines what lable is most appropriate.

And finally - no...as much as I believe psychedelics are an integral part of a lot of my religious ceremonies and what have you, I know damn well they're not essential. I can certainly do without...and I have many times in the past. I personally think that anyone that relies too heavily on anything (to the point where they feel it's essential) needs to learn how to put down their crutches and start testing out their walking legs for a bit. Cause the way I see it - it's not healthy to be that dependant on something (unless of course we'e talking about food, or water, or something else that really is essential in life)


But, you know, that is just my two cents (or three or four, depending on how you look at it)


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Re: spiritual use? [Re: GhostWalker]
    #850244 - 08/29/02 12:07 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Your classifications are almost the same as mine. Except, I personally Use marijuana, both in all manors you do, but also medicinally, and as a part of my lifestyle (along with alcohol).

Opiates, and the likes are used much like pot, except not as part of my lifestyle.

Stimulants, are occasionally part of my lifestyle, but represent the carelessness, or overindulgances we make.

The only essential part of my spirituality is marijuana, but Salvia has also been an important part.


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Re: spiritual use? [Re: Remy]
    #850576 - 08/29/02 07:56 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Stimulants, are occasionally part of my lifestyle, but represent the carelessness, or overindulgances we make.

If you ever contract writer's block... you should reconsider your stance here.
Maybe you should just reevaluate the class of stimulants. Some stimulants have much application (Adderrall), while others can turn you into an emotional wreck (Coca, mang!).


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Re: spiritual use? [Re: GhostWalker]
    #850933 - 08/29/02 11:30 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

My religious experiences on psychedelics could be described as 'reassuring'. These are often with high doses. On lower doses of psychedelics, I'm usually with other friends so the trip is more fun oriented. I found marijuana at first to be creative (when intoxicated), but now I believe it's just a very mild escapist drug.


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Re: spiritual use? [Re: GhostWalker]
    #851343 - 08/29/02 03:20 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

To me, entheogens are the link joining science and religion.


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