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ID request on possible Ganoderma species.
    #8493896 - 06/06/08 06:58 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Habitat: In the woods growing from the base of a live tree

Gills: forgot too look oops

Stipe: Red on the bottom turning too white and orange in sum places

Spore print: None taken

Last one is a habitat shot of my back yard where i found em.


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Re: ID request [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8493964 - 06/06/08 07:16 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Looks like a Gandoderma species.


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    #8493971 - 06/06/08 07:18 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Those are edible correct, or at least sum of them right.


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    #8493974 - 06/06/08 07:20 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

They're teaible.


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    #8494006 - 06/06/08 07:29 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

yes and the tea is good for you ive heard.


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Re: ID request [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8494049 - 06/06/08 07:44 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

great find man


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    #8494061 - 06/06/08 07:49 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Reishi, It is a Ganonderma species


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Re: ID request [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8494076 - 06/06/08 07:56 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

The tea (I am told) will have a nutty flavor to it. Beautiful specimens.


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    #8494188 - 06/06/08 08:44 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

The tea is also very bitter. Try it with some honey :thumbup:


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Re: ID request [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8494319 - 06/06/08 09:44 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Probably Ganoderma curtisii.


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    #8494332 - 06/06/08 09:47 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Cool ill have too go back and harvest them tomorrow. Any advice on making a good tea, ive heard they are bitter but dont mind that i actually enjoy it cuz it makes me feel like im doing something like the natives of old.


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    #8494354 - 06/06/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Whens the best time too harvest them im gonna get the big one tomorrow and let the other ones get bigger before doing so. Also are there any poisonous species that look like this.


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    #8494364 - 06/06/08 09:56 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

No, there are no poisonous Polypores :smile:. I usually let them get a good red varnish shelf with the yellow and white band before harvest. Unless the bugs start to get them. Then I cut them up into chunks and boil for 2 hours with the lid on. Dont do a hard boil though, just a rolling boil. Some people also like to leave the chunks in while the tea is in the fridge. Good luck and let us know what you think!! :thumbup:


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    #8494373 - 06/06/08 09:58 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I didnt see any bugs on em but it rained tonight so hopefully they wont rot too bad and get bug infested.


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    #8494378 - 06/06/08 10:01 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

there still ok too eat with sum bugs in em right. I eat subbs with bugs in em all the time. Ive never seen species like this with bugs in em. If there are bugs couldn't i just boil em and strain the tea so no bugs got in it? Please help yall i need it im very interested in these now cus they grow behind my house.


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    #8494421 - 06/06/08 10:15 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I still use them unless their really infested. You'll know when you cut it open. If there are worms inside then there is more than likely larvae as well. I guess it really depends on the person. As long as it is not rotting. You may also find Ganonderma tsugae. It is also known as a "varnish shelf" They grow on pine. usually on dead trees or as parasites on living. Those are good too. :cool:


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    #8494430 - 06/06/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

There was only one that was mature the others(see pics)were just pins so ill get em tomorrow. It rained tonight will that affect them at all in a bad way? I find all kinds of shelf fungi and need too start identifying them. Any links or pics of em would help, maybe what species are common in GA. THAnx guys peace


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    #8494453 - 06/06/08 10:24 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)



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    #8494652 - 06/06/08 11:31 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Nice find. :thumbup:

I would watch them every day or so and let them get bigger.  They grow kinda slow so you can take your time.


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    #8494662 - 06/06/08 11:32 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

yeah im gonna get the big one tomorrow it just rained tonight will that make em rot or get insect infected bad?


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    #8494666 - 06/06/08 11:34 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

We get a different form around here and I have never found a buggy or bad one other than too old.

I don't think you'll have a problem.    They should be ok.


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    #8494667 - 06/06/08 11:34 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

No, the rain will help keep them softer. They get very wood like as they dry out.


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    #8494683 - 06/06/08 11:37 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Oh ok thanks guys:thumbup:Ive been very interested in finding these cuz of the incredible health benefits so im stoked about this. Well gotta go too bed ill get back tomorrow with more pics of my harvest. Thanx again yall:thumbup:


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    #8494730 - 06/06/08 11:50 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Nice find!!

If you start some cultures from those specimens I'd gladly trade you a wedge or plate of my wild PR Ganoderma.


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    #8494737 - 06/06/08 11:51 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Nice find!!

If you start some cultures from those specimens I'd gladly trade you a wedge or plate of my wild PR Ganoderma.


Ill let ya know. How long do the pins take too get as big as the mature one. Im gonna harvest the big one tomorrow.


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    #8494822 - 06/07/08 12:09 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

From what I have read, Reishi are the only medicinal that causes a side effect with people who consume it. It makes their mouths dry. Obviously if that happens just try a different medicinal fungi.

I have no books with me at the moment but would say your find is Ganoderma curtisii. G. lucidum and G. tsugae also grow in the southeastern U.S.

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I have read that wild medicinal fungi can often contain a wider and more benificial amount of medicinal type properties, but a dropper of extract is just faster for me then cooking up a batch of tea. And the tea I have made, was gross (I probably did not do it right). Dry the Reishi first (I didn't when I made tea from it, once). Just lay them out and wait a few days, you will know when they are dry. Or possibly clean them when they are fresh, then slice them into small slices. The finer the slicest the more medicine will be extracted while making tea.

More often then not Reishi's do not have bugs in them, especially when you learn how to spot a perfectly fresh one. On occassion the more mature specimens can have something hiding in them, so break them in half to check the interiors first. Medicine is still inside the mushrooms even if there are bugs eating it, but I would rather just walk around for another minute to find fresher specimens then bring home a buggy one.


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    #8495657 - 06/07/08 08:39 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Cool thanx GG these are nice and fresh so im stoked there are about 7-9 pins starting too form so ima get those in a few days. Ive heard they grow very slow so how long should i wait to go and get the others?


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    #8497155 - 06/07/08 07:25 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

any body got any good recipes for these? I picked a nice bunch today sum from the patch posted and sum from a new patch found earlier today while doing yard work. When i say recipes i mean ways too make the tea taste good.


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    #8497665 - 06/07/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

nice find ,


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Ganoderma lucidum, is an interesting shelf fungus that is important as a medicine in the Far East, in places such as China, Japan and Korea. G. lucidum is of particular interest because it has been portrayed as a "fix-it-all" herbal remedy for maladies such as: HIV, cancer, low blood pressure, high blood pressure, diabetes, rheumatism, heart problems, paralysis, ulcers, asthma, tiredness, hepatitis A, B, and C, insomnia, sterility, psoriasis, mumps, epilepsy, alcoholism, and the list goes on. These claims are mostly made by the people who are selling G. lucidum herbal supplements, but G. lucidum, also known as Reishi, ling chih, and ling zhi has a long history of being used as an herbal remedy. We will get to that later.

First, how do you identify Ganoderma lucidum? Ganoderma is a member of the Polypores, a group of fungi characterized by the presence of pores, instead of gills on the underside of the fruiting body. G. lucidum, considered by many mycophiles to be one of the most beautiful shelf fungi, it is distinguished by its varnished, red surface. When it is young it also has white and yellow shades on the varnished surface, differing from the dull surface of Ganoderma applanatum, the artist's conk. G. lucidum is a saprophytic fungus that tends to grow more prolifically in warm climates on decaying hardwood logs and stumps. This feature helps to distinguish it from a similar looking Ganoderma tsugae, which also has a beautiful red varnished surface, but only grows on the stumps and logs of conifers, especially hemlock (as you might guess from the name). Another distinguishing characteristic is the flesh of G. tsugae is white whereas the flesh of G. lucidum is brown. Besides the shelf form, both G. tsugae and G. lucidum can be stalked. The spore prints of both species are brown and the spores are very similar in size and shape.

Ganoderma curtisii is considered by some mycologists to be a different species because of its brighter yellow colors and geographic restriction to the southeaster United States. However, most consider Ganoderma. lucidum and G. curtisii to be the same species because of their similar appearance and habitats; they both prefer to grow on hardwoods. In "North American Polypores," practically the bible for wood-decaying poroid fungi, Gilbertson and Ryvarden, do not consider G. curtisii a species separate from G. lucidum. Another fungus that resembles G. lucidum is Ganoderma oregonense, which, like G. tsugae grows on conifers, but is found in the Pacific Northwest and New Mexico. G. oregonense can get up to 1 meter across and has slightly larger spores than G. lucidum and G. tsugae. There are arguments that these four separate species (G. lucidum, G. tsugae, G. curtisii, and G. oregonense) should be considered one species. The reasons for keeping them apart are primarily due to the host specificity of each fungus. Interestingly, if given only either hardwood or conifer wood in culture, each of the four species can grow and produce fruiting bodies, despite their natural occurrence on only one of those substrates.

In 1995, Moncalvo, Wang and Hseu, isolated the DNA of G. tsugae and G. lucidum and found that it was hard to tell the difference between the two species. An even more recent study in 2004 by Hong and Jung, found that G. lucidum from Asia was in its own group, whereas, G. lucidum from Europe and the Americas was more closely related to G. tsugae. Clearly, further investigation into the molecular make up of these two species is needed. For more information about the relationships of the species Ganoderma For more information, see these papers: Moncalvo, J.M., Wang, H. H. & Hseu, R. S. (1995). Phylogenetic relationships in Ganoderma inferred from the internal transcribed spacers and 25S ribosomal DNA sequences. Mycologia 87: 223-238, and Hong, S.G., Jung, H. S. (2004) Phylogenetic analysis of Ganoderma based on nearly complete mitochondrial small-subunit ribosomal DNA sequences. Mycologia 96: 742-755.

Ganoderma lucidum, considered rare and hard to find in nature in China and Japan, is now commonly cultured. It can be cultured on logs that are buried in shady, moist areas. G. lucidum can also be inoculated onto hardwood stumps. Under commercial cultivation conditions, G. lucidum is normally grown on artificial sawdust logs, as shown to the right. We'll cover this cultivation method in more detail in a later Fungus of the Month. Other methods of cultivating G. lucidum and many other fungi can be found in Paul Stamets' book, "Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms"

Now let's look at the medicinal uses of G. lucidum or Reishi. If you feel the fruiting bodies, you'll notice that they're very hard, so no one tries to eat them like most (softer) mushrooms-- too tough! It has been used as an herbal remedy for such things as health, recuperation, longevity, wisdom and happiness for centuries in Asian traditional medicine. The first historical mention of G. lucidum was during the rule of the first Chinese emperor, Shin-huag of the Ch'in Dynasty, when the fungus's medicinal uses are first described. In fact, a Reishi Goddess, known as Reishi senshi, was worshipped because she would bestow health, life and eternal youth.

There are two different types of Reishi, the traditional wide, shelf-like fruiting body and the antler shape, known as Rokkaku-Reishi. The antler shape arises from varying carbon dioxide levels and low light. These two types are rumored to have different healing characteristics. Recently, there have been a large amount of scientific papers published with experiments attempting to quantify the effect of G. lucidum on the human body. The fungal extract has been shown to act on immune system cells, to work against herpes virus, to lower cholesterol and stop cell proliferation. Unfortunately, while reading these papers it seems important to remind you that we are still not sure if G. lucidum and G. tsugae are separate species.

Although the molecular make up has yet to be determined conclusively, several biologically active compounds from G. lucidum have been characterized. These include adenosine, said to have an analgesic effect, R,S-ganodermic and ganasterone that have an antihepatoxic effect, and glucans and polysaccharides that are responsible for the anti-inflammatory and antitumor properties of G. lucidum.

Something else to keep in mind is that all these experiments were done in cell lines, mice, rats and hamsters. So far no large scale unbiased human trials have yet been performed, and the FDA does not yet approve use of Reishi as medical treatment. In order to gain FDA approval, purified compounds from G. lucidum would have to go through an intensive amount of screening in cell lines and animals; much of this pre-clinical testing has already been performed. The next step would be a phase one clinical trial, which assesses the potential drug's safety. Healthy volunteers are paid to take the drug for a certain amount of time, and the compound is studied for its absorption into the body, its metabolism, and its excretion. Once the potential drug passes phase one, which can take up to several months, it moves on to phase two. In phase two, several hundred patients participate in what is called a double blind clinical trial, in which both the patient and the physician are unaware of whether the patient is receiving the potential drug or a placebo . Phase two can last from several months up to several years. If the potential drug is proven effective after phase two, it moves to phase three. Phase three also consists of blind clinical trials, but on a much larger scale. This phase is used to understand the drug's effectiveness, benefits, and the range of possible adverse reactions. Without a doubt, G. lucidum and its researchers have a long road ahead of them before they can prove the mushrooms healing powers.

I hoped you enjoyed learning about Ganoderma lucidum, its relatives and potential uses. Although these species of fungi can produce beautiful fruiting bodies, who would have expected them to hold so many potentially useful chemicals?  from http://forums.mycotopia.net/wild-mushrooming-field-forest/16749-polypore-id-help.html


this is your picture

and this is from what is call ganoderma curtissi  from jalisco mexico .


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    #8500779 - 06/08/08 05:26 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

So no straight forward answers for tea preparation, how much too put in it good ways too sweeten it(honey,raw sugar, etc)how long too brew it for too get a good dose of the medicines inside. I found another patch in the woods by my subb pasture so im happy about that, i got the one 30 yard behind my house and the other one 1mile down the road:thumbup:also how long should i wait for the pins too grow i picked a couple that were 5-6inches long but not flat on top. Please help im new too this species but very interested.


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    #8500805 - 06/08/08 05:35 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Cut up the reishi mushroom into small pieces and place in a pot with two quarts of water. Boil slowly for one to two hours, using a lid to keep vaporization to a minimum. One pot of reishi tea should last at least five days. It must be kept in the refrigerator, leaving the mushroom pieces mixed in with the liquid. Add honey or sweet fruit juice to sweeten to taste. Never use an Aluminum pot though.


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    #8500833 - 06/08/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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weiliiiiiii said:
So no straight forward answers for tea preparation, how much too put in it good ways too sweeten it(honey,raw sugar, etc)how long too brew it for too get a good dose of the medicines inside. I found another patch in the woods by my subb pasture so im happy about that, i got the one 30 yard behind my house and the other one 1mile down the road:thumbup:also how long should i wait for the pins too grow i picked a couple that were 5-6inches long but not flat on top. Please help im new too this species but very interested.




well it depend on your resistance to the tea , i mean  there is no strict procedure , just make and infusion a tea, of the pulverised fungus, cut or hole fruit body , also once you make atea be sure to reused for a few times more i used until no color or flavour(bitternesss) is felt , now if you want to sweet iwill go for estevia or honey , i like the taste of the raw tea with out sugar , but iced and honey can make for the kids or the not so used to the flavour ,you have to notice that ganoderma and most poliporus are slow grower they have no hurry to finish their grow in one  hole season , but a rule of thunb to pick if when they beging flat and realease spores , you will notice spores are brown in older specimens, they can live longer that one year so patience they will be fill with more  medice for the long  wait .
you will notice with repetitive use  a sense of well being at least that what expert say and that what i fell i did not take  it for a especific  problem  but i fell how reishi  find what to cure in your body ,
you can make a natural culture with the stem botton that still have some pieces of wood or micelium regrowing sometimes i water the stemm but and in few day the sort of wood is covered with  micelium in few day for the spores germinating , ganoderma  produce  copious amount of spores i was happy to observe one we bring a big specimen inside our car and when we open the windown and we look back where the mushrooms was a cloud of dust was  covering all up , then we realize we the spores , haha :rofl:


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    #8500970 - 06/08/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

thanx guy i got a rather hefty amount drying out for tea, i was told by ggreatone234 too dry them first to get more out of them. I have about 2oz wet so i think it should make a nice batch. I just walked in the door from checkin that patch behind my house and found another nice one ready too be picked. There are 3 more im gonna let grow and get big and strong one is growing out of a crack in the tree it looks soooo cool, ill have too get a pic. The pins are just tiny white bumps growing from and around the tree, probably from the roots. Ive heard there are no poisonous polypores, is this true? Are most medicinal? Im curious about this cuz the woods behind my house has many different species growing everywhere. I got sum more pics ill post tomorrow for yall. Also could anybody guesstimate how long it'll take for them too fruit again from the spot i picked them from. Thanks again guys PEACE:grin:


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    #8501268 - 06/08/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

No poisonous polypores.Correct.


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    #8501329 - 06/08/08 07:54 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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No poisonous polypores.Correct.


Yeah your the one who taught me that:grin:are all medicinal.


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    #8508913 - 06/10/08 08:44 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

im about to brew sum of this up and im wondering if its Ok too brew it in a pot with non-stick coating in it. ALL my wife has is Rachel ray pots. Will this hurt me at all. The pots say dont cook on high which im not gonna do i was gonna put it on low for an hour will this work good. ALso cactu said too reuse it so im not worried about not getting all the medicine out of it the first time.


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    #8513490 - 06/11/08 11:15 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

oh god this stuff is bitter oh well it worth it i think. I found 3 more patches of these also where i picked the large one i posted, it looks as if its regrowing off of the piece of stem left there. Its got a long white fruit growing from the stump of stem very interesting.


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    #8513550 - 06/11/08 11:32 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

:banana:

Killer finds, man! :thumbup:

Keep up the good hunting.


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    #8514260 - 06/12/08 06:48 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Dont overdue the tea just yet, some may have a mild allergic reaction.
Start small.


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    #8515276 - 06/12/08 01:05 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

No allergic reaction i brewed the whole ounce dry and drank 10oz of it mixed with grapefruit juice and agave nectar. Not really sure how much water i used but it filled up almost a milk jug. What kinda allergic reaction? My wife wants too drink it with me what should i look for just in case she reacts too it.


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Re: ID request [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8520227 - 06/13/08 03:24 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Those would more than likely be Ganoderma tsugae being that's a Hemlock tree they're growing from.


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    #8520493 - 06/13/08 04:23 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

cool thanx hotnuts, ive been finding a ton of these recently im gonna live forever from the tea i make out of em:lol:


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    #8528635 - 06/16/08 12:27 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i checked the patch behind my house today and this is what i found...that big one i picked is regrowing from the stump of it i left its so cool, you can see that in the lower left hand corner of the first pic.


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    #28626318 - 01/18/24 06:20 PM (9 days, 15 hours ago)

ganoderms rock!


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    #28626321 - 01/18/24 06:22 PM (9 days, 15 hours ago)

I just made some tea with aplantum and reishi


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    #28626629 - 01/19/24 12:19 AM (9 days, 9 hours ago)

:feelsoldman:


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