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Ps. Subaeruginascens (Beginnings of cultivation)
    #8492622 - 06/06/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

My friend checked our patch today and found more of the suspected subaeruginascens growing! Ill come back with prints, Habitat photos and samples later!


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8492661 - 06/06/08 01:01 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

how were the palenopsis


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8492857 - 06/06/08 02:04 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

still havent done them. haha. I did send samples out but Im going to have to wait till im psychologically prepared for a trip. Im too busy with two jobs and responsibilities.

on the other note, My friend, AlteredStates will be posting the pics. They were taken on my camera but he picked em before I got there so no habitat shots till the next flush, but that will occur within the next few days indicating how the patch is spreading and fruiting in different locations now on the property.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8492874 - 06/06/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Rad, can't wait for the photos subbed!!  :smile:



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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8492896 - 06/06/08 02:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Hey everyone, this is my first post.  I have here a few pictures of some suspected ps. subaeruginascens.  I found them today at "the villa" like the previous subs and pan subbs found with subbedhunter420.  hope you like them.






note the bluing on the annulus, and the dark stem similar to subaeruginascens.





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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: alteredstates]
    #8492906 - 06/06/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yup. we found em growing from landscaping woodchips alongside subbalteatus. The subbs are gone till the next rain or maybe never again at this spot. But we now know... This place is home to psilocybes.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8493041 - 06/06/08 03:01 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

NICE!!!

Yeah, that looks about right.  Can't say for sure.  The gills look bruised.  I remember the gills of Ps. subaeruginascens bruising blue very quickly after being damaged.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: CureCat]
    #8507385 - 06/10/08 01:23 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

This is the next little patch of suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens we will pick----



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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: alteredstates]
    #8507400 - 06/10/08 01:28 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

thats really interesting... keep us updated


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: fliped]
    #8507914 - 06/10/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

very nice!:eek::eek::eek:


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: notorius gib]
    #8508382 - 06/10/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

ha, ha  incredible .

that  the mushroom spirits guide you :laugh:
as it already have


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    #8517854 - 06/12/08 11:43 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

There are more pictures headed here soon. I've been seeing so much blue I can't even believe it.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: alteredstates]
    #8518179 - 06/13/08 01:51 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

can i ask you guys what state you're in? I'm in washington state...i got subbs around here, but I haven't seen any P.subaeruginascens yet. Exactly what kind of habitat is that? Tall decayed grass+woodchips+mud? Or what?


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #8518188 - 06/13/08 01:54 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I find them in the Bay Area in wood chips, usually hiding under plants.

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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: CureCat]
    #8518419 - 06/13/08 03:45 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Me and alteredstates are hunting southern california. In the coastal valleys. We found them in a horse community growing from landscaping woodchip debris/garden beds


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8518728 - 06/13/08 07:45 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

and under plants.  What type of plants are you finding them under curecat?


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: alteredstates]
    #8519770 - 06/13/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know.  Some dense shrubbery...  Auweia and "this other guy" found them under different plants, and transplants to different areas with different plants have been successful, thus, they are not dependent nor prefer a specific type, imo.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: CureCat]
    #8524894 - 06/14/08 08:50 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

we found out a couple things about subaeruginascens

First of all, these photos from S California could be P. Subaeruginascens, but it's not clear enough to tell yet. The one outside photo looks the closest, but those are still too immature, and although those aren't pins, the pins can get pretty dark. (it's possible the finds here could be yet another new species. Seriously, ANY significant bluing psilocybe is rare in Southern California. Think about it Curecat, when was the last time you saw something like that in San Diego?)

I wouldn't be surprised if P. Subaeruginascens did show up in S Cali under watered conditions, even in high summer, since there are a couple related sub tropical and near tropical varieties documented from the East

In other words, these don't need the classic cyanescens temperature drop that happens in late fall.

There's a couple of things we found out so far about this rare and unique species. I have a friend in Europe testing these and so am I.

We found out this species blues nearly all the way down to the hyphae level, which is extremely unusual. (indication of very high potency, btw)

see here  >  http://www.flickr.com/photos/14930672@N04/2456559557/sizes/l/

Second, we found out it doesn't like standard malt agar nearly as much as oatmeal agar

This actually might have to do with a second discovery, that it actually likes hay. That's right, hay,

Horse food, rabbit food, pure organic, alfalfa hay (low protein content, and near straw, it seems to like as well)

Apparently it's the lignin content involved here as there's been a recent Australian symposium mentioning this species growing in elephant dung, and they specifically mentioned it's not the dung, but the high lignin content, such as hay and straw contained in elephant dung that subaeruginascens seems to like

see here  >  http://www.ima-mycology.org/doc/Book_2.pdf

It will grow in rye grain, but it likes oats much better. It likes a variety of woodchips and seems to have adapted to standard hardwood chips common to landscaping in California, including alder. This adaptation could warrant it's own scientific name

This California variety is very rare..It's only been seen in the wild about 5 times so far, so this is just the beginning. All of us barely have a clue as to why it's here and what it likes

research is ongoing and likely will be for years to come

some more photos  >  http://mushroomobserver.org/7112

when those finds in Southern California get more mature, send more photos, make a spore print, send it to a lab if you can

remember, that even tho it's in the Stuntzii family, this species is very potent! (at least on our end), if they are the same. They are more potent than cyanescnes, so only a couple mature specimens should be a good start

PS, thanks for the acknowledgment on Wiki with my photo. That made my day  :smile:

Not a one of us really knows what makes this species tick, but we'll find out eventually. It's mostly simple once you have the species contained, with only a matter of stuffing different dried out dead wood related species down the side of a bowl to see if the mycelium likes it or not.

it really is like that, but it takes a lot more patience than most people realize


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: auweia]
    #8525416 - 06/14/08 11:48 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

That is interesting about the lignin!

I have some mycelium running on black Scott's chips and alder, and it LOVEs both.  I'll give some other substrate a shot.

BTW - I notice Ps. stuntzii HATES the black Scott's chips!


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: CureCat]
    #8527237 - 06/15/08 03:37 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

That is amazing auweia. And good to hear from you too! We have a good amount more pictures, healthy specimens and spore prints. The really bad thing though is that teh property we are finding these on just got flooded with NO TRESPASSING signs. Nobody lives there but the owners are trying to sell it. We found this out from Alteredstates blazing with the pool guy. We think a neighbor watched us since its really visible since its a hilltop.

Anyways... We decided that after the next flush we will take out the rest of the mycelium in the bed and transplant it to my garden. We have already both taken a bit of mycelium and I have it growing on straight peat moss and woodchips. I combined a small amount of bleach with water and added it to counter out the ph. It seems to be leveled at 6.5- 7.5 from the previous 5. Its growing at a much faster rate than cyan mycelium and in 5 days has already grown attached to the peat moss and woodchips I added. Its liking the 70-80 degree range. I see it growing faster around 70-75 but it can take pretty hot weather.
I told alteredstates about the cardboard tek for spawn and he has stem butts and mycelium growing rapidly on it. We should have a finished product in a bed by next spring.

I am getting a 1101 EM within the next two weeks along with 60 plates, slides and agar mixes. I should be having a lot of fun real soon. BTW, what would be a good LC recipe for these??? I was going to try the honey tek and the Turbinado.
Hm... Straw... Too bad i just threw out four crates of it I collected. rats like to make homes in it.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8527350 - 06/15/08 04:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Please post some more pics.

Don't mind the no trespassing signs, the land was probably stolen from native americans.

It might be a good idea to go there really late at night like a few minutes after sunrise.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8527550 - 06/15/08 05:46 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Im not worried about that. Besides, we know the schedule of who comes and we know the people. The owners are never there. And im sure at one point there were native americans. I found a native american kitchen ten feet away from the Inocybe Corydalina. Big ground out depressions where they would grind things like acorns in.

Late at night or dawn would be sketchy. its a ranch community and people get up early.

Ill post pics in the days to come. Alteredstates has my camera and hes been taking new pictures. he just cant load them very well. More to come!!! no worries, just waits.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8534328 - 06/17/08 04:35 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I'm with Alan, we're waiting to see some more mature pics.

As far as transplants, your guess is as good as anyones..Start off with the chips they came in.

I added some alder chips to tupperware bowls and it likes that fine. I started small with just a little chunk of myceliated woodchips and after 3 months, it's almost all colonized. You can get that on Amazon. smoking alder chips.

and then when it grows out enough in that, try experimenting with different types of chips. All you do is poke your finger down there and make a hole where the mycelium is growing, stick a single chip (or whatever) in there and wait a week or two..Maybe even eucalyptus, because if it likes eucalyptus, then it's all over for California..haha (cedar no, eucalyptus maybe, because cyans, stropharias, and subaeruginascens, have a basic common denominator with various hardwood chips

Also, cactus food is pretty good for the top layer..  Top thin layer, because it helps to keep the moisture in, and a few other nutrients as well

this is Miracle grow cactus food from today in one of the bowls

cyans in June?..In california?




This btw, is just on a window sill, exposed to the sun in the afternoon, facing west. BUT the chamber is loosely encased with that mirror cellophane they put on windows. Apparently this is good as it doesn't let in any extra heat, and enough 'blue light' to help trigger pins. Loosely encased means it's not sealed but has plenty of holes in it for the outside wind to blow through.

and a small humidifier you can get on Amazon, just enough to keep that cactus food on top moist, loose enough to allow the wind to come in for a little for circulation. In other words, under ideal conditions, you have the humidifier blowing a little cool steam across the substrate, enough to keep it moist, but it's swirling around a little because the outside wind is coming in as well..Very difficult to describe the right balance there

>> Once you know this balance tho, it's very easy to recreate that

this is sitting next to the subaeruginascens in a couple other bowls. The subs are about a month behind so that might fruit soon

These cyans tho didn't need any refrigeration at all. The coastal fog belt was good enough

This is all about as simple as you can get. No sterilization, not even any boiling water. But it's sort of a matter of just knowing the right combination of food, moisture, light, and air circulation (recreating the outside)

ah, and almost forgot. This is P subaeruginascens growing in hay. It's regular ol alfalfa Timothy hay you can get at Petco. All I did was make a little hole and stuffed some chopped up hay down there and covered it with a single myceliated alder chip, which is the chip on top, lifted up off the hay



btw, one of the reasons why I'm trying hay, is because we don't really know yet what causes this to fruit. This patch here in SF didn't fruit naturally in the wild until a few months ago, in mid spring. And it sat there all winter long while red stropharias were growing next to it. It wasn't until the red stropharias stopped fruiting, that these started.

so for all we know it might want to go through an entire winter before fruiting next year.

So this hay might be the next best thing if we can't get it to fruit. You're not going to eat woodchips, but a small amount of hay, like maybe the size of marble might not be so bad.

high fiber breakfast and all that

P.S, we still don't know for sure if yours is the same species in S cali...It could be a new one. Not enough info yet.

this is P subaeruginascens, February 29, 2008, San Francisco, in the wild (the same exact plant as the photo above, about 3 months earlier)



note the faint annulus



this is a distinguishing factor, which partially puts them in the Stuntzae group. Some of the first discoveries three years ago, we thought this was Azurescens just by the shape.

Nope, this is something else altogether, but up there in potency with Azures. It certainly will not be restricted to the north coast of Oregon, having adapted to a much wider range of temps and habitats

this is a real oddball species, I'm telling ya. It follows just about ZERO of the standard American West Coast definitions of late fall fruiting, but it likes all of the food, and then some more. I'm glad it's here and I feel blessed to have a second chance to experiment with it

In my opinion, it's important that we try and save this species. We don't even know if this is an accident or not. There isn't much documentation from the far east and Japan either, so it's up to us to save it, spread it around as much as we can
It truly is a unique species, not just in the psilocybe family, but in comparison to many species


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    #8537052 - 06/18/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

They are now in several areas of the planter and growing in increasing numbers.














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    #8537076 - 06/18/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

From today's flush.




















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    #8537088 - 06/18/08 12:54 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Can you post pictures of the gills of those subaeruginascens?


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: alteredstates]
    #8537125 - 06/18/08 01:08 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, Alteredstates and I have noticed a very interesting difference between previous subaeruginascens finds and our suspected ones.

1. The caps dont turn in at the gill margins on our collections, They always go plane or down. never turning in.

2. They have a very unique gill structure that goes upward and out, but then planes back down. see picture # 1 and 2.




A good shot of the veil remnant.





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    #8537169 - 06/18/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I was looking at the subbedhunter420 sample under the scope last night.  Definitely has the subrhomboid spores that separate it from section Cyanescens. I saw three types of cheilocystidia, one of them looks like a post with a ball on the top.  Also some bottle shaped ones and some thin ones.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8537393 - 06/18/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Dang.  Looks like you upgraded from P.Subbs :grin:  This is very interesting and it looks like it "fell" into good hands.  Keep working with it.
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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: shroomgatherer]
    #8540692 - 06/19/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Is there a match with subaeruginascens? Id like to find out myself but my microscope is still coming in the mail.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8540714 - 06/19/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Your not worried about pulling up all that myc and substrate on that last shot? Im torn between pulling or cutting and cant get a straight answer from anybody on here as too what is best. Great finds though have you tried any yet? If so hows the potency.


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    #8540725 - 06/19/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

The weilii i pic vary like that as well, sum are plane and sum are not.


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    #8540939 - 06/19/08 02:06 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Your not worried about pulling up all that myc and substrate on that last shot? Im torn between pulling or cutting and cant get a straight answer from anybody on here as too what is best. Great finds though have you tried any yet? If so hows the potency.




The only scientific study that I am aware of found that if you pull rather than cut you will have slightly more mushrooms fruit there next year.  Of course you don't want to disturb the myc as much as possible.  Also I like to cover the hole so it is impossible to see that something was removed from the area.  That will help keep your patch a secret from animals including humans. 

Quote:

Is there a match with subaeruginascens? Id like to find out myself but my microscope is still coming in the mail.




The features I saw certainly point in that direction but I will need to spend more than a couple minutes looking at it to make up my mind.


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    #8541070 - 06/19/08 03:00 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

We actually take all the stem butts and ripped up mycelium and spawn it all.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8541492 - 06/19/08 05:07 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

ive read that when you pull them up the myc reaches up in order to grab debris too latch onto and grow. Very interesting i think. thank you alan for clearing that up for me.


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    #8544728 - 06/20/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

bad news...

The place of residence in which these mushrooms were found is now under intense watch by security guards. Sadly, no more finds will likely be taken until we can find the off hours in which we can take all of the mycelium. Worse yet, they have been there guarding as late as 1:30 AM Alteredstates has told me... We will be persistent though and we will keep watch every several hours for chances.

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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8544733 - 06/20/08 02:34 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

damn dude that sux what is the penalty for shroomin out there? Here in the south you get screwed big time.


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    #8544738 - 06/20/08 02:35 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Is there anyway you could parks far away then walk at like 3-4 in the morning?


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    #8544781 - 06/20/08 02:47 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

free the mushrooms! , you are the keppers! , bless you in  your intentions ...


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    #8544920 - 06/20/08 03:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

> damn dude that sux what is the penalty for shroomin out there?

Its not too bad.  California passed Prop 36 which sends all drug users to treatment instead of jail.

Growing psilocybin mushrooms carries a penalty of one year in state prison, which basically means probation unless you are already on probation.  Selling mushrooms or having a whole lot will get you three years probation. 

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    #8544949 - 06/20/08 03:43 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Haha, yeah no. Im not gonna get a job for Lantz security or that bull. Id rather just go on 3 or 4 AM runs.


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    #8545223 - 06/20/08 05:39 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

It was weird, i got there at 1:30 am and a guard was just sitting in his truck, i told him i was lost.

Today, the reason that there have been people there all day is because the realtor was showing the house.  The mushrooms are not as trapped as we tought, we should have ample time to go get the mycelium.


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    #8545646 - 06/20/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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They are now in several areas of the planter and growing in increasing numbers.






Damn this is close.

You've already showed that it blues more than reqular Stuntzii, so it's probably more potent. They do look very close to P subaeruginascens excpt the ones from the Bay Area have more of a nipple..Not really a true nipple like liberty caps, but more than these photos.

Still it could be yet another adapatation, and thus another slight change of shape.

Subbedhunter, you should know that some of the experts looking at this new P subaeruginascens species in California, have pointed out a couple of things The problem with this is, it doesn't exactly match the true subaeruginascens from Japan and the far east, but those are extremely limited collections anyway, so there's not much to compare it to in the first place. (one example, the actual spores are lighter in color than the rare herbarium collections so far, from many years ago. PS > usually it;s the other way around with age, they get light in color, so the new finds should be darker, but they're not, they're lighter)

we call it P subaeruginascens because it's the closest match, not an exact match, but the closest one we can find.

I've been told by microscope experts, that if this were to be found in Japan or Java, most mycologists would have no problem classifying this as P subaeruginascens

But this isn't occuring in Japan, it's occurring in California, and that presents a unique problem, one that none of us has seen before 5 years ago.

From this first photo here, I would say the color is excellent, you have found something that is near or above cyanecens potency.

This is unlike any of the subbalteatus you're used to, the dosage isn't 20-40, it's more like 2    !!!

or 1

I remember the first timne I found it in Richmond, CA in 2006. At that time there was zero public info about any discovery, and at first I actually thought this was some sort of Panaeolus, because they were already halfway dried out at the time, didn't exhibit much bluing, because of the dryness, smelll like hay, like Panaeolus, and was like nothing I'd ever seen before related to the standard P cyanescens that usually grows around the Bay Area

Until I decided to eat just one single specimen on the BART ride back home, and I got off 3 stops later and proceeded to spend the next 5 hours biking down by the waterfront, avoiding people and cars and having a great time

It was a complete surprise to me.

You may have something very similar here, if not the same thing. So just a warning, when you finally decide to test it on yourself, or your friends.

Just don't eat 40 of these like you can with Pann Subbs, at least not the first time

we'd like to see you coherent within a week at least  :smile:


PS, this is the spot I found in 2006



This spot is a unique situation, aside from the ...*cough cough* problems I had...It is very possible this spot could have been on it's last legs since I found out later the substrate here was extremely thin, less than 1/8 inch in most places

we tried to save it

it has died in many peoples arms, the mycelium was unable to make it it in some peoples care. It was unable to make it in my care under indoor conditions, but it did survive in the outdoors in different areas, to this day)) This is consistent with some of the first finds in 2004 (the initial finds were very tricky, and often died)

my own transplants of this original patch, 14 of the 17 transplants still survive in various secret locations around the San Francisco Bay Area, they just haven't fruited in two years  :P  (read > air circulation)

We're not sure what's going on here, but I personally suspect it's slowly adapting to it's new environment and as time goes on, it's getting stronger in different locales.

Some of this original patch still exists, and is still growing in different locales around the Bay Area (transplants), but it has never fruited since this initial find

Like I said, it can get tricky, and there's probably nothing you can do outside the normal growth parameters, like hardwood chips, etc, and plenty of moisture

It's very likely a species still in the development stage, and it's best to just leave it alone and feed it, and water it, and sometimes test small parts of it

the most important info I can tell you is, if you want to save what you found, it doesn't take much, just a few square inches of mycelium (the more the better of course, but not required)

the most imprtant thing to remember is PATIENCE

it can take up to 6 months for you to see anything at all from your transplant, maybe even longer

don't sweat it, leave it be....All you have to do is check and see if it's still healthy, white and wet, and healthy.

As long as the mycelium is healthy, you have nothing to worry about, just keep feeding it

(you'll know the species has died when the mycelium turns grey. I know this, I've seen it, it was a big loss, but not the end of the road)  :smile:

my personal belief is that this species did come from somewhere else (the intro as a little spectacular)

this species IS slowly adapting to California and it's environment

so fasten you seat belts...hehe  :smile:


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    #8546515 - 06/21/08 05:00 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Auweia-

First, an extremely belated congratulations on that epic find.

They may have similar qualities, but the mushrooms we've been finding clearly don't look like the Subaeruginascens you've found.  The caps are completely different as subbedhunter pointed out and the stems arn't much more similar.  The annulus on your subs for example, is far less prominent and the mushrooms are colored differently completely.  Only the pins really looked similar.  Though possibly very amorphous, it feels odd that the shape and color would be almost 100% different.  I don't have a microscope, but when i saw that patch of subaeruginascens you posted, all i could think was, "there's no fucking way those are the same". 

We havn't transplanted any mycelium yet but I have it growing in three different places in my room (on card board and wood chips), and there was noticable growth after 48 hours, and rhizomorphic mycelium in about four days.  They seem to be very strong and willing to adapt.  Half of the woodchips came from my drive way and i don't really even know what they are (i was just experimenting).

We were planning on dosing about a gram each.  This ranges from about 15-20 small mushrooms to just a few of the larger caps (dried).  Of coarse they would all be mixed together, but considering the amount of blueing (which from the pictures posted you haven't seen half of), do you think that would be too much?


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    #8548343 - 06/21/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I think a gram dry would be ok. Besides, we'll likely be in the middle of nowhere.


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    #8548424 - 06/21/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Just cuz they dont look the same as auweias does not mean they are not the same. I have patches of weilii that produce different types of shrooms, one patch has shrooms with smaller stature but more of a grayish blue color in the caps then another patch  produces campanulated caps that are carmel color with massive stipes. Too someone who did not know weilii they would appear too be different species but they are not. One patch has shrooms with a very pronounced nipple the other does not. But like yall have been saying get sumbody with a microscope too check them out for a positive ID.


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    #8548631 - 06/21/08 08:06 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

The Microscope(1101 EM) is coming in the mail. Alan has already been looking at the cheliocystidia. Its definitely a stuntzii relative but auweia agrees this may be a different species.

Alteredstates discussed how amorphous these are and didnt rule out they could be the same. Then again, We just dont know right now.

We also have a very strong and healthy spawn developing from the cardboard and we also have some growing on woodchips from the front yard.


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    #8548683 - 06/21/08 08:29 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, it's tough to tell for sure from the photos so far.

I can tell you one thing for sure, finding something like that in LA is pretty damn rare, no matter what it is.

I bet they smell stronger too, because that's one of the main characteristics of these new subaeruginascens here in SF is that they are definately stronger smelling than cyans. Of course, cyans don't grow in LA, so you might not even know the difference.

We just can't say for sure yet, but it's obviously something unusual for LA, certainly not paneaolous

Alan really needs to look at it and post some microscope photos like he did with mine comparing the SF finds with yours. It very well could be a new species. The ones in SF could be a new species.

This is all brand new stuff for everybody. Welcome to the club!. It's a tiny club, yep

There just isn't enoug info yet on either of the species occuring in SF or LA. There's some top people looking at this including Dr Jochen Gartz in Germany and Dr Gaston Guzman in Mexico, and they're saying it could be a new species.

we just don't know for sure yet, and only time will tell. But it could take years, because this is it's own organism, and it does what it wants, when it wants. We don't even know the basic mechanism that triggers fruiting yet. Only one person has done it so far, and that was in a plastic cup, watered outside, and all he knows for sure it was 65-75 degrees. That barely says anything because obviously it's not a cold shock like cyans

the only thing we can do is some basic things to help it along, that's pretty much it...hehe


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The Microscope(1101 EM) is coming in the mail. Alan has already been looking at the cheliocystidia. Its definitely a stuntzii relative but auweia agrees this may be a different species.

Alteredstates discussed how amorphous these are and didnt rule out they could be the same. Then again, We just dont know right now.

We also have a very strong and healthy spawn developing from the cardboard and we also have some growing on woodchips from the front yard.




also of note quote from subbedhunter >"We havn't transplanted any mycelium yet but I have it growing in three different places in my room (on card board and wood chips), and there was noticeable growth after 48 hours, and rhizomorphic mycelium in about four days.  They seem to be very strong and willing to adapt.  Half of the woodchips came from my drive way and i don't really even know what they are (i was just experimenting)."

the problem I had with the cardboard wasn't the cardboard itself, it was because I put it in a plastic bag, and it had very poor air circulation. That's probably why many of the early tests died. These things, along with all mushrooms, produce carbon dioxide just like we do when we breath, so it can't be sealed in an enclosure, like a plastic bag or glass jar or else the poor things will suffocate. It has to breathe some fresh air sometimes at least. It's possible these new species could require more fresh air than others... fresh air is pretty important, at least with the SF finds...something to keep in mind at least

there is a good balance between moisture, substrate, and air circulation that is common to most mushroom species. Tough to describe unless you actually see it...Wet (moist to damp) to the touch, but not flooded (drowned), but also plenty of fresh air at the same time.

in fact, as long as you have air circulation, you won't need to go the 'sterilized route' many people feel they have to do with mushrooms, but that's always an option. But people like Stamets will point out that if you go the sterilized route with pure strains, those strains are usually weaker because they don't have the genetic diversity and as a result, can't fight off infections the way naturally diverse strains can.

so the closest you can recreate the natural outside conditions, the better off you are. Remember, for example, the original patch you just found...It is likely watered (I digress, it's 100% guaranteed that spot is watered, in LA in the summertime?), and it also has plenty of air circulation, because it's sitting there outside

and I'll also make wild guess.. The spot you found in Southern California is less than two miles from the beach. This isn't happening in Lancaster, or Palmdale, or the Salton Sea...hehe


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    #8549802 - 06/22/08 04:24 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Alan really needs to look at it and post some microscope photos like he did with mine comparing the SF finds with yours. It very well could be a new species. The ones in SF could be a new species.





I don't think that this is Psilocybe subaeruginascens due to the presence of tibiiform cheilocystidia. 

I'll do some more work on it.  Its probably an undescribed species.


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    #8550418 - 06/22/08 11:47 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Youre saying the cheilocystidia that look like little balls on bars are a distinguishing microscopic feature?

Also, Did Curecat find subaeruginascens? Ive been trying the last day or two to find other gill shots of subaeruginascens and I finally may have found a few in Curecats photos that are able to be contrasted to mine.

The gill structures are quite different from the SF finds to ours. I dont have time to compare and contrast right now. I have to go to work.


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    #8550861 - 06/22/08 02:35 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

those pics are cool cant wait to see my patch fruit i planted it about a month ago. should i expect a fruiting this fall or do they only fruit in the spring? I'm hoping they fruit this fall springs a long ways away.


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    #8552628 - 06/22/08 11:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

It was getting pretty hot and they were still fruiting, they might still fruit depending on where you are.


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    #8552924 - 06/23/08 01:49 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Cheilocystidia 1000x









Cheilocystidia crush mount 1000x



Spores 1000x





Pleurocystidia was infrequent, here is one at 1000x




Compare with http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6520065

If its not subaeruginascens its pretty close.  Pleurocystidia matches.


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    #8553051 - 06/23/08 03:31 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

We need someone who can do DNA sequencing on demand for this site.


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    #8553715 - 06/23/08 09:34 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

She is at the Autonomus Mutant Festival.


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Oh CC...


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    #8562488 - 06/25/08 12:58 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

These are the next flush.
They're not quite mature so I'm going to pick them tomorow.

This is the largest flush yet.





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    #8562505 - 06/25/08 01:01 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Nice Altered. Be at my house at 5.


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    #8568345 - 06/26/08 07:21 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I think Alan is right on this, it's maybe a new species, but it might be related. Who knows, time will tell. The important thing with something like this is to save it. Make transplants, backups, spread it around a little, keep it going. As long as you have the basics down, it's fairly easy. It amazing how much changes there have been in the last 10 years or so. Few people thought this was possible in the middle of summer a few years ago, almost indoors with no refrigeration



(this photo depects ZERO manual misting, ZERO sterilization techniques, 100% complete organic transfer). 100% ultrasonic cool air humidifier)

Not only did it pin without a temperature drop, it actually made it through one of the hottest heatwaves in SF in many years (103F) last week. But this isn't strictly cyanescens, and is likely a cyan/friscosa cross breed, because I've been mixing the mycelium a lot in the last year. I found out they do indeed mate. I can't prove it, of course, but just looking at the caps, it almost looks half way between the two. Just a slight undulation. (I always sort of knew cyanescens and friscosa were the same, that's why friscosas still don't have it's own name, and probably never will)

Caveat on the Friscosas > it's not exactly that they are  a different species, because they obviously look much different than cyans, consistently, all the the time. Rather it's that both cyanescens and friscoscas can and do join and mate on the mycelium level, if not all of them, at least some strains. And it's those strains that do join which could possibly make a stronger strain, as depicted in the photo (able to withstand more extreme weather conditions, for example)
(this is already occurring naturally - I've tried to tell people this for years - this is how I got the idea, from the plant itself)

the other thing I found out and I've never seen it mentioned before. If you were to transplant outdoors, you would have to find a way to mist it all the time, keep it moist. You can use those tiny misters in plastic tubes they use with hydroponics, but in a dry climate in Califorinia in the summer, that's not easy. In other words, this patch you're finding out in the wild now, somebody has been turning that sprinkler on in a big way..lol

the way I'm doing it is with a humidifier on a window sill (in the photo), but it's covered with a mirror sheet. A mirror sheet is something I found out does indeed work. It's mirror cellophane, the same mirror plastic sheet people put on car doors and windows for privacy. Apparently mushrooms really only need 'blue light' to induce fruiting, not thr heat light, so this works in both ways, cuts the heat down and lets in enough light at the same time

problem is, you can't really make a sealed chamber either, because this type of plastic doesn't breathe. So0 what I've done is simply make a loose chamber, full of holes, so it lets the outside breeze blow through a little but, but not enough to stop the humidifier from blowing cool steam all over the bowls

it's a balance between the two, and it's right when some of the mirror plastic chamber retains water droplets most of the time. Ultrasonic cool air humidifiers don't add any heat either, and you can find those on Amazon I know this is halfway between a hunting forum and grow forum here, but dang it, how else would you try and save a rare species found in the wild?

You can make little spots in your back yard, sure, but if you want to fruit it, you have to water it quite a bit. I don't have a backyard, so a window sill is the only place I can control the moisture and light. Strictly indoors could work with this species, but nobody knows yet. Nobody knows if this would work with common teks for cubensis, and it probably won't because it's not the same habitat. We already know that subaeruginascens don't like rye grain nearly as much as oatmeal. Pretty much all you can do is try different things, different foods, different chips, different moisture and lighting, a little at a time, here and there , and hey, it's in the mix. there ya go..hehe

PS, in the photo, upper right corner, you can see the mirror plastic sheet, semi transparent. The blue light on top is from the humidifier bought on Amazon for 20 bucks on sale.  http://tinyurl.com/3neuj3

at least you know now, it's not just this new species from LA, and not just the subaeruginascens from SF, but also cyans, it's possible to fruit them in summer, under the most basic conditions, without any sterilization techiniques, no boiling, no pasterization. Nothing except some basic conditions; proper food, air flow, moisture and light

PPS, the new subaeruginascens has it's own exclusive bowl of alfalfa hay as of today, but it will take a few months to know for sure (part of the existing hay, a small part of another wood chip bowl was transferred to a new bowl with nothing but hay) :smile:

one final note > it is extremely unlikely that this new species will be able to mate at the mycelium level with cyanescens the same way that cyanescens and friscosas can mate. Cyans and friscossa are closely related, these are NOT

it really is a whole new ballgame here


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    #8568482 - 06/26/08 07:51 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

so there not subs?


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    #8568525 - 06/26/08 08:04 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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so there not subs?




You mean subbedhunters or mine?..

actually, it doesn't matter...NO, none of these are subs
I mean Panaeoulus (genus), or  subbalteatus. We may not know what these are for sure because it's a new development and still not classified properly but I can say with nearly 100% accuracy that nothing in this thread is remotely related to Panaeoulus.

this is a new ballgame here, I'm telling ya
I can tell, just from the photo, that this isn'r normal for LA

You should know

It's something that happened recently in California and is a new phenomena. It's never been recorded before 10 years ago.

we are blessed in this respect, but it's extremely rare

Only 5 sightings in the wild of one species, only one sighting of the other and that's the originator of this thread


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    #8569064 - 06/26/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i dont mean pan subbs(2 b's) i mean subs(1 b:lol:) i know what subbs are look in my sig


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    #8575429 - 06/28/08 07:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

haha.

Allright then :smile:

well heck, my best guess is it's going to take a couple years at least to sort this out, and there probably will be a few more surprises too

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    #8586584 - 07/02/08 01:32 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I strongly believe I'm going to do these psilocybes this weekend.


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    #8589144 - 07/02/08 08:35 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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I strongly believe I'm going to do these psilocybes this weekend.





I'm sure we're about 99% on the psilocybe, rather than Panaeolus . I've never actually had Panaeolus in any quantity before. I remember in the late 70's walking into a field along the road near Castroville, CA (Salinas) in the middle of February and seeing Panaeolus foenescii by the zillions (cow fields and related)...I mean fields as far as the eye can see almost. I ate a few back then, it did almost nothing for me...haha

Panaeolus_subbalteatus, I have no idea, never done those, but I've been told they are fairly weak compared to true psilocybes. I'm sure they are a bit stronger than the ones I ate from Salinas, but still, you're looking at maybe 20-40 mushrooms, and even higher

What you're finding here isn't the same thing. ........Ironically, if you were to eat the same amount of this new find, you probably won't kill yourself, although, I would guess you would never do that much again, not with this new species, anyway ( or you would now be much more knowledgeable that there are significant differences between the two types)

there is a consistent theory with some factual basis regarding the difference of potential lethal look alikes and this new species

Supposing on the remote chance it could be Gallerina and related (small brown poisonous mushrooms, AKA the evil look alikes (dead ringers)), it is fairly well known that > TEN OF THEM WILL KILL YOU, and not less than that

I'm just being safe here, against all odds, but just so you know, the recommended dose for the first time with this new species is 1-6 individual specimens,  and that's it


To put it plainly, if I was in your shoes testing it for the first time>>>>>I have a dozen all day standard bike routes I test these new discoveries on myself, each year in the SF Bay Area. Mostly state parks, national and local parks with plenty of off road mountain biking ( I love that stuff:)  ( up and down the mountains while shrooming, with live concerts on the mp3 player,. there's nothing like it)

the point is to test a minimal amount on yourself, on the remote chance Mother Nature is pulling a fast one (which has never happened before), but being paranoid about it is being safe when it comes to mushrooms, so there  :smile:.

In your case, with a new unidentified species that clearly shows strong bluing, the minimum amount is 1 (one) and recommended maximum is 6 (six) average size individual specemens

anything higher than that in a 48 hour period, and  you're on you're own. If that doesn't work out, at least you are guaranteed they are not poisonous and can go up in numbers from there

There is a semi safe way to do it, and that is to be ultra cautious with ANY new species...One small step at a time

with that in mind, go out an enjoy your new find :smile:

and by the way, not me personally, but I had a tiny bit part in it ..  > we made Newsweek this week

http://www.newsweek.com/id/144399

newly tested species, confirmed, newly tested California specias, confirmed, un named species, new classification > psilosybe family > July 2008



it's someties fleeting, something that even the experts like us have difficulty with....many times

welcome to the club


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    #8590037 - 07/03/08 12:20 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks a lot for the advice, I've been getting very eager.

That is awesome about the government funding.  One small step toward a more understanding world.


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    #8592863 - 07/03/08 07:42 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

auweia- are there any more pictures of that species?


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    #8603994 - 07/07/08 12:16 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Alteredstates and I went to the patch and took all the mycelium. We have begun transplanting it and i already have several fruits in a jar. Ill post pics in a few minutes.


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    #8604091 - 07/07/08 12:46 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Heres a picture of subaeruginascens in a half gallon jar. I used an aquarium aerator to keep fresh air inside. I just left the top off and use a dropper twice a day to keep it moist enough.

This is day three.


Topside:


And a cardboard spawn.


I have a 20 gallon tub with the mycelium spread on the bottom that we took from the patch. We plan on creating 4 or 5 beds each with what we took. The mycelium has already recovered and started to regrow in the substrate.


  For the substrate i tried to duplicate the conditions I found them in without having to actually steal all of the woodchips from this persons planter. I used:

1. perlite, Vermiculite - to retain moisture
2. peat moss and garden soil - creating a base substrate.
3. Dirt from the original planter and dirt from my own.
4. Woodchips, leaves and stick debris. (eucalyptus, oak, and alder.
5. Straw/hay - For the lignin content

Also, One THING I NOTED!!!

They love eucalyptus leaves! Its over for California HAHA!!!

And... This is where most of the myc went.



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    #8604473 - 07/07/08 03:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Very cool project!!!! :thumbup::thumbup:


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    #8607023 - 07/08/08 04:12 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

That is very impressive. Good to see the saga continue.:thumbup:


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    #8607271 - 07/08/08 06:58 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Another step in the psilocybian space program.....awesome!Great thread!


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    #8608010 - 07/08/08 12:27 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

damn man, that's sick:thumbup:spread that mycelium everywhere!!:crazy2:


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    #8617492 - 07/10/08 01:23 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Does anyone know if The red dyed woodchips or orchid chips would be any good for using with the subaeruginascens. I know they are very diverse when it comes to chips but I wanna know uz I cant get much else from the Do-It Center...

I thought I heard someone say they grew in the red chips before... Auweia?


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    #8617513 - 07/10/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Ive read "red chips" are not good for mushrooms, there was also a post in the subb thread about how they are not good for subbs. But i dont know much about mushrooms in wood chips since in GA there arent many actives that grow in them im just letting you know i have read that the red ones are not good.


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    #8617519 - 07/10/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I mean pan subbs i dont know about Ps. subs


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    #8617539 - 07/10/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Does anyone know if The red dyed woodchips or orchid chips would be any good for using with the subaeruginascens. I know they are very diverse when it comes to chips but I wanna know uz I cant get much else from the Do-It Center...




The dyed wood chips sold at hardware stores are douglas fir.

They are only good for Psilocybes if they have been boiled in water or leached by several years of rain.

Apparently its important to wash them well before you boil them or else it eats pits in your stainless steel pot.

Search for posts by tahoe about chips.


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    #8621563 - 07/11/08 12:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I searched for posts by tajoe about chips and this is what came up.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6183808#6183808

"A lot of places use these now and they are fir chips that are dyed red. Mycelium loves these chips. I shouldnt give away my secrets"....


It seems he claims they dont need any treatment and the dye is used from all natural ingredients and is considered plant nutrients.
He even posted a picture of some cyans growing from them. I think Im going to try this and several other things.

All I know is they love cactus soil, straw, and lots of fresh air.


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    #8621586 - 07/11/08 12:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Don't rely just on douglas fir.  Sometimes Psilocybes like it but other times they will not colonize.  You can order alder online, its more expensive than fir from your hardware store but at least you know the mushrooms will like it.


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    #8633328 - 07/14/08 12:50 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

well i dosed 1 gram of these on sunday, i didnt really get much out of it so two hours later i ate another gram and a half and that kinda worked.  only level 1.  next time i will dose more.


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    #8633339 - 07/14/08 12:52 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Note to everyone

Dont put the subaeruginascens in a CRUNCHWRAP. Eat them on an empty stomach. HAHA.

Really though? you think it was only level 1? I thought you were trippin at least a little harder.

We do still have about a half ounce though...


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    #8633352 - 07/14/08 12:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

After trippin for many many years for me a grm wouldnt do much, also eat them all at once dont spread it out


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    #8633358 - 07/14/08 12:57 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i experienced only two really noticable, but still minor hallucinations, and i had a body high for a long time.  also my eyes were huge for hours.  i also have kind of a tolerance to shrooms, a gram could probably send you into some where fun.


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    #8633366 - 07/14/08 12:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i know to eat them all at once, i just wasnt sure how much i should eat.


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    #8633371 - 07/14/08 01:00 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Level one seem about right for a gram...if i eat let say an 1/8 and wait a few hours then decide i want to trip harder and eat more the extra i ate wont affect me at all it always still feels like i ate the 1/8 thats why i was saying eat them all at once but im sure you know this


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    #8633417 - 07/14/08 01:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

this is where i put all of the mycelium, it's been regrowing very well. 


and here is some cardboard spawn that is doing great.


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Lookin good man:thumbup:


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Your shit looks awesome altered.


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    #8643778 - 07/16/08 05:16 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

and here's the cardboard spawn now, it's time to do somthing with it.



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    #8643810 - 07/16/08 05:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Nice looking growth there.

Level 1 for 1 gram isn't that bad. Are they on par as far as potency goes with an average cube would you say?


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    #8643834 - 07/16/08 05:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i believe they are more on par with cyans or azures, i ate a crunchwrap supreme from taco bell with them, that was a mistake.  i wont know for sure until next time, but subbedhunter is probably on them right now at the beach.  we might get a report from him.


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    #8643860 - 07/16/08 05:29 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Nice, I look forward to hearing the results. Ps. subaeruginosa is another very potent species.


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    #8644339 - 07/16/08 08:00 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

actually I changed my plans. I am going to leave tomorrow and come back saturday afternoon. I will tell you how it is on sunday.


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