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auweia
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weiliiiiiii said: so there not subs?
You mean subbedhunters or mine?..
actually, it doesn't matter...NO, none of these are subs I mean Panaeoulus (genus), or subbalteatus. We may not know what these are for sure because it's a new development and still not classified properly but I can say with nearly 100% accuracy that nothing in this thread is remotely related to Panaeoulus.
this is a new ballgame here, I'm telling ya I can tell, just from the photo, that this isn'r normal for LA
You should know
It's something that happened recently in California and is a new phenomena. It's never been recorded before 10 years ago.
we are blessed in this respect, but it's extremely rare
Only 5 sightings in the wild of one species, only one sighting of the other and that's the originator of this thread
Edited by auweia (06/26/08 08:44 PM)
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weiliiiiiii
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Re: Pictures! [Re: auweia]
#8569064 - 06/26/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dont mean pan subbs(2 b's) i mean subs(1 b ) i know what subbs are look in my sig
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auweia
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haha.
Allright then 
well heck, my best guess is it's going to take a couple years at least to sort this out, and there probably will be a few more surprises too
*sigh*
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alteredstates
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Re: Pictures! [Re: auweia]
#8586584 - 07/02/08 01:32 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I strongly believe I'm going to do these psilocybes this weekend.
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auweia
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alteredstates said: I strongly believe I'm going to do these psilocybes this weekend.
I'm sure we're about 99% on the psilocybe, rather than Panaeolus . I've never actually had Panaeolus in any quantity before. I remember in the late 70's walking into a field along the road near Castroville, CA (Salinas) in the middle of February and seeing Panaeolus foenescii by the zillions (cow fields and related)...I mean fields as far as the eye can see almost. I ate a few back then, it did almost nothing for me...haha
Panaeolus_subbalteatus, I have no idea, never done those, but I've been told they are fairly weak compared to true psilocybes. I'm sure they are a bit stronger than the ones I ate from Salinas, but still, you're looking at maybe 20-40 mushrooms, and even higher
What you're finding here isn't the same thing. ........Ironically, if you were to eat the same amount of this new find, you probably won't kill yourself, although, I would guess you would never do that much again, not with this new species, anyway ( or you would now be much more knowledgeable that there are significant differences between the two types)
there is a consistent theory with some factual basis regarding the difference of potential lethal look alikes and this new species
Supposing on the remote chance it could be Gallerina and related (small brown poisonous mushrooms, AKA the evil look alikes (dead ringers)), it is fairly well known that > TEN OF THEM WILL KILL YOU, and not less than that
I'm just being safe here, against all odds, but just so you know, the recommended dose for the first time with this new species is 1-6 individual specimens, and that's it
To put it plainly, if I was in your shoes testing it for the first time>>>>>I have a dozen all day standard bike routes I test these new discoveries on myself, each year in the SF Bay Area. Mostly state parks, national and local parks with plenty of off road mountain biking ( I love that stuff:) ( up and down the mountains while shrooming, with live concerts on the mp3 player,. there's nothing like it)
the point is to test a minimal amount on yourself, on the remote chance Mother Nature is pulling a fast one (which has never happened before), but being paranoid about it is being safe when it comes to mushrooms, so there .
In your case, with a new unidentified species that clearly shows strong bluing, the minimum amount is 1 (one) and recommended maximum is 6 (six) average size individual specemens
anything higher than that in a 48 hour period, and you're on you're own. If that doesn't work out, at least you are guaranteed they are not poisonous and can go up in numbers from there
There is a semi safe way to do it, and that is to be ultra cautious with ANY new species...One small step at a time
with that in mind, go out an enjoy your new find 
and by the way, not me personally, but I had a tiny bit part in it .. > we made Newsweek this week
http://www.newsweek.com/id/144399
newly tested species, confirmed, newly tested California specias, confirmed, un named species, new classification > psilosybe family > July 2008

it's someties fleeting, something that even the experts like us have difficulty with....many times
welcome to the club
Edited by auweia (07/02/08 10:09 PM)
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alteredstates
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Re: Pictures! [Re: auweia]
#8590037 - 07/03/08 12:20 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks a lot for the advice, I've been getting very eager.
That is awesome about the government funding. One small step toward a more understanding world.
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alteredstates
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auweia- are there any more pictures of that species?
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Subbedhunter420
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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
#8603994 - 07/07/08 12:16 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alteredstates and I went to the patch and took all the mycelium. We have begun transplanting it and i already have several fruits in a jar. Ill post pics in a few minutes.
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Subbedhunter420
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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
#8604091 - 07/07/08 12:46 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heres a picture of subaeruginascens in a half gallon jar. I used an aquarium aerator to keep fresh air inside. I just left the top off and use a dropper twice a day to keep it moist enough.
This is day three.

Topside:

And a cardboard spawn.

I have a 20 gallon tub with the mycelium spread on the bottom that we took from the patch. We plan on creating 4 or 5 beds each with what we took. The mycelium has already recovered and started to regrow in the substrate.

For the substrate i tried to duplicate the conditions I found them in without having to actually steal all of the woodchips from this persons planter. I used:
1. perlite, Vermiculite - to retain moisture 2. peat moss and garden soil - creating a base substrate. 3. Dirt from the original planter and dirt from my own. 4. Woodchips, leaves and stick debris. (eucalyptus, oak, and alder. 5. Straw/hay - For the lignin content
Also, One THING I NOTED!!!
 They love eucalyptus leaves! Its over for California HAHA!!!
And... This is where most of the myc went.

Edited by Subbedhunter420 (07/07/08 12:59 PM)
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shroomgatherer
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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
#8604473 - 07/07/08 03:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very cool project!!!! 
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wisp

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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: shroomgatherer]
#8607023 - 07/08/08 04:12 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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That is very impressive. Good to see the saga continue.
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psilophile82
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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: wisp]
#8607271 - 07/08/08 06:58 AM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Another step in the psilocybian space program.....awesome!Great thread!
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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: psilophile82]
#8608010 - 07/08/08 12:27 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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damn man, that's sick spread that mycelium everywhere!!
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Subbedhunter420
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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
#8617492 - 07/10/08 01:23 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Does anyone know if The red dyed woodchips or orchid chips would be any good for using with the subaeruginascens. I know they are very diverse when it comes to chips but I wanna know uz I cant get much else from the Do-It Center...
I thought I heard someone say they grew in the red chips before... Auweia?
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weiliiiiiii
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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
#8617513 - 07/10/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ive read "red chips" are not good for mushrooms, there was also a post in the subb thread about how they are not good for subbs. But i dont know much about mushrooms in wood chips since in GA there arent many actives that grow in them im just letting you know i have read that the red ones are not good.
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weiliiiiiii
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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#8617519 - 07/10/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I mean pan subbs i dont know about Ps. subs
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#8617539 - 07/10/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Does anyone know if The red dyed woodchips or orchid chips would be any good for using with the subaeruginascens. I know they are very diverse when it comes to chips but I wanna know uz I cant get much else from the Do-It Center...
The dyed wood chips sold at hardware stores are douglas fir.
They are only good for Psilocybes if they have been boiled in water or leached by several years of rain.
Apparently its important to wash them well before you boil them or else it eats pits in your stainless steel pot.
Search for posts by tahoe about chips.
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Subbedhunter420
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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#8621563 - 07/11/08 12:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I searched for posts by tajoe about chips and this is what came up.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6183808#6183808
"A lot of places use these now and they are fir chips that are dyed red. Mycelium loves these chips. I shouldnt give away my secrets"....
It seems he claims they dont need any treatment and the dye is used from all natural ingredients and is considered plant nutrients. He even posted a picture of some cyans growing from them. I think Im going to try this and several other things.
All I know is they love cactus soil, straw, and lots of fresh air.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
#8621586 - 07/11/08 12:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't rely just on douglas fir. Sometimes Psilocybes like it but other times they will not colonize. You can order alder online, its more expensive than fir from your hardware store but at least you know the mushrooms will like it.
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alteredstates
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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#8633328 - 07/14/08 12:50 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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well i dosed 1 gram of these on sunday, i didnt really get much out of it so two hours later i ate another gram and a half and that kinda worked. only level 1. next time i will dose more.
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