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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8527350 - 06/15/08 04:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Please post some more pics.

Don't mind the no trespassing signs, the land was probably stolen from native americans.

It might be a good idea to go there really late at night like a few minutes after sunrise.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8527550 - 06/15/08 05:46 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Im not worried about that. Besides, we know the schedule of who comes and we know the people. The owners are never there. And im sure at one point there were native americans. I found a native american kitchen ten feet away from the Inocybe Corydalina. Big ground out depressions where they would grind things like acorns in.

Late at night or dawn would be sketchy. its a ranch community and people get up early.

Ill post pics in the days to come. Alteredstates has my camera and hes been taking new pictures. he just cant load them very well. More to come!!! no worries, just waits.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8534328 - 06/17/08 04:35 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I'm with Alan, we're waiting to see some more mature pics.

As far as transplants, your guess is as good as anyones..Start off with the chips they came in.

I added some alder chips to tupperware bowls and it likes that fine. I started small with just a little chunk of myceliated woodchips and after 3 months, it's almost all colonized. You can get that on Amazon. smoking alder chips.

and then when it grows out enough in that, try experimenting with different types of chips. All you do is poke your finger down there and make a hole where the mycelium is growing, stick a single chip (or whatever) in there and wait a week or two..Maybe even eucalyptus, because if it likes eucalyptus, then it's all over for California..haha (cedar no, eucalyptus maybe, because cyans, stropharias, and subaeruginascens, have a basic common denominator with various hardwood chips

Also, cactus food is pretty good for the top layer..  Top thin layer, because it helps to keep the moisture in, and a few other nutrients as well

this is Miracle grow cactus food from today in one of the bowls

cyans in June?..In california?




This btw, is just on a window sill, exposed to the sun in the afternoon, facing west. BUT the chamber is loosely encased with that mirror cellophane they put on windows. Apparently this is good as it doesn't let in any extra heat, and enough 'blue light' to help trigger pins. Loosely encased means it's not sealed but has plenty of holes in it for the outside wind to blow through.

and a small humidifier you can get on Amazon, just enough to keep that cactus food on top moist, loose enough to allow the wind to come in for a little for circulation. In other words, under ideal conditions, you have the humidifier blowing a little cool steam across the substrate, enough to keep it moist, but it's swirling around a little because the outside wind is coming in as well..Very difficult to describe the right balance there

>> Once you know this balance tho, it's very easy to recreate that

this is sitting next to the subaeruginascens in a couple other bowls. The subs are about a month behind so that might fruit soon

These cyans tho didn't need any refrigeration at all. The coastal fog belt was good enough

This is all about as simple as you can get. No sterilization, not even any boiling water. But it's sort of a matter of just knowing the right combination of food, moisture, light, and air circulation (recreating the outside)

ah, and almost forgot. This is P subaeruginascens growing in hay. It's regular ol alfalfa Timothy hay you can get at Petco. All I did was make a little hole and stuffed some chopped up hay down there and covered it with a single myceliated alder chip, which is the chip on top, lifted up off the hay



btw, one of the reasons why I'm trying hay, is because we don't really know yet what causes this to fruit. This patch here in SF didn't fruit naturally in the wild until a few months ago, in mid spring. And it sat there all winter long while red stropharias were growing next to it. It wasn't until the red stropharias stopped fruiting, that these started.

so for all we know it might want to go through an entire winter before fruiting next year.

So this hay might be the next best thing if we can't get it to fruit. You're not going to eat woodchips, but a small amount of hay, like maybe the size of marble might not be so bad.

high fiber breakfast and all that

P.S, we still don't know for sure if yours is the same species in S cali...It could be a new one. Not enough info yet.

this is P subaeruginascens, February 29, 2008, San Francisco, in the wild (the same exact plant as the photo above, about 3 months earlier)



note the faint annulus



this is a distinguishing factor, which partially puts them in the Stuntzae group. Some of the first discoveries three years ago, we thought this was Azurescens just by the shape.

Nope, this is something else altogether, but up there in potency with Azures. It certainly will not be restricted to the north coast of Oregon, having adapted to a much wider range of temps and habitats

this is a real oddball species, I'm telling ya. It follows just about ZERO of the standard American West Coast definitions of late fall fruiting, but it likes all of the food, and then some more. I'm glad it's here and I feel blessed to have a second chance to experiment with it

In my opinion, it's important that we try and save this species. We don't even know if this is an accident or not. There isn't much documentation from the far east and Japan either, so it's up to us to save it, spread it around as much as we can
It truly is a unique species, not just in the psilocybe family, but in comparison to many species


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    #8537052 - 06/18/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

They are now in several areas of the planter and growing in increasing numbers.














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    #8537076 - 06/18/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

From today's flush.




















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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: auweia]
    #8537088 - 06/18/08 12:54 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Can you post pictures of the gills of those subaeruginascens?


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: alteredstates]
    #8537125 - 06/18/08 01:08 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, Alteredstates and I have noticed a very interesting difference between previous subaeruginascens finds and our suspected ones.

1. The caps dont turn in at the gill margins on our collections, They always go plane or down. never turning in.

2. They have a very unique gill structure that goes upward and out, but then planes back down. see picture # 1 and 2.




A good shot of the veil remnant.





We currently just acquired a big bag of cactus soil and also have a 20 gallon tub of straw.


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Re: Pictures! [Re: alteredstates]
    #8537169 - 06/18/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I was looking at the subbedhunter420 sample under the scope last night.  Definitely has the subrhomboid spores that separate it from section Cyanescens. I saw three types of cheilocystidia, one of them looks like a post with a ball on the top.  Also some bottle shaped ones and some thin ones.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8537393 - 06/18/08 03:05 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Dang.  Looks like you upgraded from P.Subbs :grin:  This is very interesting and it looks like it "fell" into good hands.  Keep working with it.
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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: shroomgatherer]
    #8540692 - 06/19/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Is there a match with subaeruginascens? Id like to find out myself but my microscope is still coming in the mail.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8540714 - 06/19/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Your not worried about pulling up all that myc and substrate on that last shot? Im torn between pulling or cutting and cant get a straight answer from anybody on here as too what is best. Great finds though have you tried any yet? If so hows the potency.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8540725 - 06/19/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

The weilii i pic vary like that as well, sum are plane and sum are not.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8540939 - 06/19/08 02:06 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Your not worried about pulling up all that myc and substrate on that last shot? Im torn between pulling or cutting and cant get a straight answer from anybody on here as too what is best. Great finds though have you tried any yet? If so hows the potency.




The only scientific study that I am aware of found that if you pull rather than cut you will have slightly more mushrooms fruit there next year.  Of course you don't want to disturb the myc as much as possible.  Also I like to cover the hole so it is impossible to see that something was removed from the area.  That will help keep your patch a secret from animals including humans. 

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Is there a match with subaeruginascens? Id like to find out myself but my microscope is still coming in the mail.




The features I saw certainly point in that direction but I will need to spend more than a couple minutes looking at it to make up my mind.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8541070 - 06/19/08 03:00 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

We actually take all the stem butts and ripped up mycelium and spawn it all.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8541492 - 06/19/08 05:07 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

ive read that when you pull them up the myc reaches up in order to grab debris too latch onto and grow. Very interesting i think. thank you alan for clearing that up for me.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8544728 - 06/20/08 02:33 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

bad news...

The place of residence in which these mushrooms were found is now under intense watch by security guards. Sadly, no more finds will likely be taken until we can find the off hours in which we can take all of the mycelium. Worse yet, they have been there guarding as late as 1:30 AM Alteredstates has told me... We will be persistent though and we will keep watch every several hours for chances.

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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8544733 - 06/20/08 02:34 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

damn dude that sux what is the penalty for shroomin out there? Here in the south you get screwed big time.


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8544738 - 06/20/08 02:35 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Is there anyway you could parks far away then walk at like 3-4 in the morning?


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8544781 - 06/20/08 02:47 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

free the mushrooms! , you are the keppers! , bless you in  your intentions ...


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Re: Suspected Ps. Subaeruginascens are back! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8544920 - 06/20/08 03:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

> damn dude that sux what is the penalty for shroomin out there?

Its not too bad.  California passed Prop 36 which sends all drug users to treatment instead of jail.

Growing psilocybin mushrooms carries a penalty of one year in state prison, which basically means probation unless you are already on probation.  Selling mushrooms or having a whole lot will get you three years probation. 

Perhaps subbed could get a job guarding the residence?


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