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Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal
    #8489165 - 06/05/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

The same network newscasts that hyped the 2005 "alleged massacre" by U.S. soldiers in Haditha are so far ignoring the acquittal on all charges of Lieutenant Andrew Grayson on Thursday. Grayson was accused of attempting to cover up details of the events surrounding a raid that lead to the death of 15 Iraqis. However, Grayson's acquittal was skipped by ABC's "Good Morning America," CBS's "Early Show" and NBC's "Today" show. (CNN's "American Morning" covered the story only as a news brief.)

In contrast, the morning shows seemed much more interested in the subject back when dark allegations were made about the actions of U.S. solders in Haditha. On Memorial Day 2006, then-GMA host Charles Gibson intoned, "America honors its fallen war heroes, but troubling new information about Marine misconduct in Iraq. A new eyewitness on what could be a mass murder of civilians. Was there a cover-up?" On the March 20, 2006, "Nightly News," host Brian Williams touted the "disturbing new allegations" made by Congressman John Murtha about Haditha. (It should be noted that, so far, five of the eight originally charged with murder or cover-up have been acquitted.) On May 25, 2006, referencing the massacre of hundreds of Vietnamese civilians in 1968, "Nightline" host Terry Moran speculated, "Will Haditha be the My Lai of the Middle East?" On June 7 of that year, reporter Andrea Mitchell opined on "Today" that Haditha was a "black eye for American policy."

A 2006 MRC study of how CNN, MSNBC and Fox News covered Iraq found that CNN and MSNBC were much more likely to focus on the negative, such as incidents like Haditha:

CNN and MSNBC’s coverage took on the characteristics of a feeding frenzy, with the U.S. troops presumed guilty. CNN anchor Tony Harris echoed Murtha’s inflammatory charges during a May 30 report: "Men, women and children, gunned down in cold blood. That’s the allegation....U.S. Marines are suspected of killing two dozen unarmed civilians, accusations of a cover-up also a part of the mix. Democratic Congressman John Murtha has been briefed on what happened....Murtha calls the alleged atrocity as bad as the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal, if not worse."

Three days later, CNN’s John Vause extended the indictment to all U.S. troops, not just the few being investigated regarding Haditha: "There is a perception that U.S. forces are brutal and are, at times, trigger happy."



http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2008/06/05/networks-hyped-haditha-now-ignore-acquittal




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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8489216 - 06/05/08 04:55 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Conflict sells, peace doesn't.

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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: Redstorm]
    #8489264 - 06/05/08 05:06 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
Conflict sells, peace doesn't.





From the 2006 MRC study of how CNN, MSNBC and Fox News covered Iraq found that CNN and MSNBC were much more likely to focus on the negative, such as incidents like Haditha:

"Contrary to what some critics might have expected, FNC also emphasized downbeat news from Iraq, but was better able to balance the bad news with more optimistic news of U.S. achievements in Iraq."




http://www.mrc.org/SpecialReports/2006/IraqWarCableTV/report121906_p1.asp

Ratings: FNC Stays On Top

For the 77th consecutive month, FNC finished first in total day and prime time ratings during May. FNC was the sixth highest rated cable network on all of basic cable during prime time for the month (CNN and MSNBC finished 19th and 26th) and the seventh rated network in total day (CNN and MSNBC were 19th and 27th).

FNC also had 11 out of the top 13 programs in cable during the month in Total Viewers. The O'Reilly Factor was the #1 program in cable news for the 90th consecutive month, and saw gains in Total Viewers year-to-year (26%).

Amercia's Newsroom (9-11amET) was up 30% year-to-year, with the program averaging more viewers than CNN and MSNBC combined during the time period.

Meanwhile, On the Record with Greta Van Susteren has been #1 for 73 consecutive months in Total Viewers while Hannity & Colmes has been #1 in its timeslot for 54 consecutive months.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/may_ratings_fnc_stays_on_top_85816.asp



Or Maybe Optimism sells....


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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8489300 - 06/05/08 05:15 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

If course they cast it in a more positive light. It's a war run by Republicans.

About the Media Research Center:

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Leaders of America's conservative movement have long believed that within the national news media a strident liberal bias existed that influenced the public's understanding of critical issues. On October 1, 1987, a group of young determined conservatives set out to not only prove — through sound scientific research — that liberal bias in the media does exist and undermines traditional American values, but also to neutralize its impact on the American political scene. What they launched that fall is the now acclaimed — Media Research Center.





Good thing they have no axe to grind, huh? So much for researchers not going into an experiment with a preferable outcome before-hand.

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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: Redstorm]
    #8489773 - 06/05/08 07:30 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

There's no way this is some liberal bias crap, at least it doesn't tend to demonstrate it if it exists.

But I agree its stupid and annoying when the media doesn't follow stories through in the same manner they initially covered them.  There's nothing to be learned from the news if you learn only of allegations and suggestions but not outcomes of investigations or court procedings.

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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: johnm214]
    #8489824 - 06/05/08 07:44 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

No one in the media gave a shit when Bush pardoned Skooter Libby.

They gotta cover the gruesome stories, that's the Essential Horror.  The media wants death, not justice.  Justice is boring.  Unless it's Michael Jackson or some bimbo.

From Waking Life:

The purpose of the news has never been to expose the evils in our world.  Their job is to get us to accept those evils, and get us used to living with them.


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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: Minstrel]
    #8489908 - 06/05/08 08:03 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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No one in the media gave a shit when Bush pardoned Skooter Libby.




Incorrect. There were a lot squawking about it, even though Bush didn't pardon Libby. He did, however, commute the imprisonment part of the sentence. And just to head off those who will claim this is semantic quibbling, it is far from it. There is a huge difference between being pardoned and having part of one's sentence reduced, even if the reduction is to zero.





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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: johnm214]
    #8489937 - 06/05/08 08:11 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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There's no way this is some liberal bias crap, at least it doesn't tend to demonstrate it if it exists.




See, that's exactly the point I've been making to you.

This is clearly an example of bias. The initial innuendos and eventual charges made huge news. Days and even weeks of coverage everywhere. But when the guys get off? Near dead silence. Do you believe if they had been convicted there would have been this level of non-coverage? Not on your life, Sparky. That verdict  would have generated a whole 'nother spate of hand-wringing editorials and calls for withdrawal from Iraq and maybe even a new rash of 'splodeydopes self-detonating in market places in Muslim countries around the world. Days certainly, weeks probably, more coverage of the Haditha Horror.

You're right that this non-coverage of this specific incident can't be used in a scientific survey to demonstrate media bias, but every observer who is honest with himself recognizes this as an example of bias. As I've stated so many times, the most effective form of media bias isn't even to lie and twist facts (though they do that too) it's to just ignore stuff which doesn't fit their narrative.





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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: Phred]
    #8489962 - 06/05/08 08:18 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Do you believe if they had been convicted there would have been this level of non-coverage?




No, of course not.  It would have been promoted.  But conflict sells.  Finding that their's not enough evidence to convict folks isn't really a great story.

It should be though, and it is bias, but since its easily, and more easily imo, explained as a preference for news that sells (conflict, we're the bad guys, look at what these assholes did, et cet) I don't think it tends to prove a liberal bias.

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You're right that this non-coverage of this specific incident can't be used in a scientific survey to demonstrate media bias, but every observer who is honest with himself recognizes this as an example of bias. As I've stated so many times, the most effective form of media bias isn't even to lie and twist facts (though they do that too) it's to just ignore stuff which doesn't fit their narrative.


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I agree w/ you on the ignore stuff being worse.  At least w/ blatant misconstructions you can usually spot bullshit in that very article.

I also agree this is bias.  I just think its consistant w/ both a political agenda and an economic one, and I'll choose to presume its the economic one till shown otherwise, as its rational and an obvious motive.

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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: Phred]
    #8489986 - 06/05/08 08:23 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

It doesn't have to do with a liberal bias. It has to do with selling the news and conflict sells. Boring details about acquittals does not.

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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: Redstorm]
    #8490073 - 06/05/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

must be a left wing conspiracy maaaaaaaaaan

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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8492342 - 06/06/08 11:05 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Very good post!

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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8499546 - 06/08/08 10:38 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #8499581 - 06/08/08 10:58 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)


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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8499822 - 06/08/08 12:20 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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The same network newscasts that hyped the 2005 "alleged massacre" by U.S. soldiers in Haditha are so far ignoring the acquittal on all charges of Lieutenant Andrew Grayson on Thursday. Grayson was accused of attempting to cover up details of the events surrounding a raid that lead to the death of 15 Iraqis. However, Grayson's acquittal was skipped by ABC's "Good Morning America," CBS's "Early Show" and NBC's "Today" show. (CNN's "American Morning" covered the story only as a news brief.)






You cannot compare coverage given to a massacre of civilians with coverage of a military courts judgement on whether a Lieutenant tried to cover-up details of it. They are two entirely different stories with entirely different levels of significance.

The story you quote also says there were 15 deaths, my recollection of this event is that there was 24.

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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: riceandpeas]
    #8499920 - 06/08/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Not only was there no coverup, there was no massacre.


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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8499961 - 06/08/08 01:01 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

That I don't believe for a second.

Claiming nothing happened is just as idiotic as the people claiming there were actually 70 children killed for no good reason.


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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8499990 - 06/08/08 01:09 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I didn't say nothing happened, I said there was no massacre.  When the "insurgents" use women and children as human shields women and children are going to be accidentally killed.  A rather different circumstance from a massacre, wouldn't you say?


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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8500010 - 06/08/08 01:12 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

If you believe thats what happened.  I've seen the participants in the "event" interviewed, and they didn't say anything about human shields.  They said they made mistakes, going into houses shooting blindly and throwing grenades into rooms that contained women and children.


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Re: Networks That Hyped Haditha 'Massacre' Now Ignore Acquittal [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8500259 - 06/08/08 02:21 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Fire was coming from the house.  There were women and children in it, unknown to the soldiers.  The overwhelming desire of the media to present the soldiers as deranged murderers gave this story far more traction that it deserved and led to initially ludicrous charges, almost all of which have now been dropped.  A couple of guys are having to deal with reduced charges.  A sad story all around.


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