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Calif. measure seeks to repeal pot decision
#8465290 - 05/30/08 08:20 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Calif. measure seeks to repeal pot decision May 30, 2008 - azcentral.com
SACRAMENTO - Back in 2000, Mendocino County became an epicenter of the marijuana movement after county voters legalized 25-plant Cannabis gardens. High Times magazine, the bible of Cannabis sativa culture, celebrated the victory on its front page.
But now a backlash is under way in this liberal corner of California.
A measure on Tuesday's election ballot seeks to repeal the 2000 decision, which went beyond California's medical marijuana law by legalizing cultivation by recreational users.
Backers of Measure B say it's needed to reverse a trend that has brought unwanted crime, environmental trouble and cultural change.
Ross Liberty, a Measure B backer, talks of neighborhoods with so many backyard gardens that the harvest would yield $1 million worth of pot. It is, he maintains, nothing short of a magnet for theft and home-invasion robberies.
Big grows can ruin the backwoods, where streams have been diverted to irrigate robust gardens, and diesel has leaked from flimsy tanks.
In town, the culture is far different from when Liberty was growing up in the 1970s. Today, young entrepreneurs depend on weed to support a slacker lifestyle, "hanging around the house until noon in their slippers, making $150K a year, not paying taxes," he said. "It's nouveau welfare. Everyone is dependent on the marijuana economy."
Laura Hamburg, leader of the campaign against Measure B, says Liberty and the measure's other supporters are aiming at the wrong target.
The measure would open the door for law enforcement to crack down on small-scale growers, many of them card-carrying medical marijuana patients, while avoiding the tougher task of busting the massive backwoods gardens that have imported an unwanted criminal element, she contends.
But those big grows are tough to find and tougher to eradicate. When drug agents show up, the gardeners flee. There are no assets to seize, no arrests to be made.
In contrast, a backyard garden or indoor grow operation is easy pickings. And those busts are increasing, along with the amount of property being seized by the county. In 2005, Mendocino County garnered about $100,000 in seized assets from marijuana farmers. In 2007, the total was $1.6 million, Hamburg said.
She says Mendocino County should accept its unusual cultural and climatic conditions, and embrace its marijuana economy, a $1.6-billion-a-year industry, by some estimates.
Hamburg wants to see the county become a new model for how to tax and regulate marijuana gardens.
"Does it make sense to pretend this giant economy doesn't exist?" she said. "You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube."
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Re: Calif. measure seeks to repeal pot decision [Re: veggie]
#8465317 - 05/30/08 08:25 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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haha wut lame arguments
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Re: Calif. measure seeks to repeal pot decision [Re: Coaster]
#8465423 - 05/30/08 08:44 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would love to have been there to hear about all this new unwanted crime, and which i find even more humorous "environmental trouble and cultural change"
Are people dumping mad amounts of fertilizer right into the drains? Are they cutting down huge amounts of land for bud gardens?
And thats the last things we need... Cultural change
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Re: Calif. measure seeks to repeal pot decision [Re: veggie]
#8465552 - 05/30/08 09:17 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Calif. measure seeks to repeal pot decision [Re: veggie]
#8465782 - 05/30/08 10:30 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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veggie said: Calif. measure seeks to repeal pot decision May 30, 2008 - azcentral.com
In town, the culture is far different from when Liberty was growing up in the 1970s. Today, young entrepreneurs depend on weed to support a slacker lifestyle, "hanging around the house until noon in their slippers, making $150K a year, not paying taxes," he said.
ya why would they waant to take the large amount of money that would have been paid towards taxes if it was legalized. DO they always have to go in this idiotic circle of BS
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Re: Calif. measure seeks to repeal pot decision [Re: j0nnyb0y05]
#8465870 - 05/30/08 10:53 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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<<"hanging around the house until noon in their slippers, making $150K a year, not paying taxes,">>
Damn right.
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Re: Calif. measure seeks to repeal pot decision [Re: ltd]
#8465893 - 05/30/08 10:59 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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btw lieutenant dan, im watching your movie right now on TNT, its amaizing like always
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Re: Calif. measure seeks to repeal pot decision [Re: j0nnyb0y05]
#8467430 - 05/31/08 01:43 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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what shit brained arguments. They try and make the leap from saying spilled diesel is a reason to make medical marijuana illegal.
all of these aren't even primary effects regardless...
unwanted crime, environmental trouble and cultural change.
That would be like saying we should make doors go illegal because they irradiate the rain forest and they cause fires
what are the chances of having marijuana grow ops cause negative environmental changes? This is fucking retarded
Constructing doors causes environmental changes is my claim, which is why door making should be banned
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Re: Calif. measure seeks to repeal pot decision [Re: navyseals101]
#8468918 - 05/31/08 09:58 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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hahaha
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Big grows can ruin the backwoods, where streams have been diverted to irrigate robust gardens, and diesel has leaked from flimsy tanks.
first, how are plants going to hurt the enviroment, and second, tanks of what? what part of an outdoor grow requires diesel?
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In town, the culture is far different from when Liberty was growing up in the 1970s. Today, young entrepreneurs depend on weed to support a slacker lifestyle, "hanging around the house until noon in their slippers, making $150K a year, not paying taxes," he said. "It's nouveau welfare. Everyone is dependent on the marijuana economy.
theyre obviously paying taxes, or the IRS would arrest them. youre just jealous cuz theyre job is so awesome, and because marijuana economy is booming while the general 'legal' economy is in the toilet.
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Measure to curb marijuana growing in Mendocino approved [Re: veggie]
#8482202 - 06/04/08 02:15 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Measure to curb marijuana growing in Mendocino approved June 3 2008 - montereyherald.com
UKIAH, Calif.—A groundbreaking law that let Mendocino County residents grow up to 25 marijuana plants for medical or recreational use was repealed by voters Tuesday.
With 91 percent of precincts reporting late Tuesday night, Measure B had 55 percent of the vote.
It's been eight years since voters approved the earlier measure that dramatically increased the county plant limit over current state standards of six per person. Measure B repeals the 2000 measure and returns the limit to six plants.
Supporters say passing Measure B lets criminal operators know they're not welcome. Neither state nor federal laws allow recreational pot, and critics of the 2000 law said voters' symbolic approval sent the wrong message.
Opponents said they, too, want to evict the criminals. But they argue that Measure B won't address that issue and instead will punish people who need medical marijuana.
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