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Zwieback0
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Dunking before 1st flush?
#847017 - 08/27/02 01:07 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I read a post on dunking right after you birth the cake....Is this a good idea? I was confused.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Zwieback0]
#847168 - 08/27/02 02:26 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can dunk right after birth yes..... It`s called baptizing lol... Just kidding...... Yes you can..... It will add moisture to the cake and usually make a more prolific flush and somewhat larger fruits than a cake that hasn`t been dunked.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Numba9]
#847263 - 08/27/02 03:21 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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So right after birthing I would place the cakes in a jar for about 24 hours?
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Zwieback0]
#847289 - 08/27/02 03:32 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes, that's a simple way to do it, i would recomend using a .3 percent H2O2 solution in water, that is, using one part hydrogen peroxide that says 3 percent on the pottle and mixing with 9 parts water. it's realy not nessecary for the first flush but it's cant realy hurt and can help your odds. dunking is usualy done in a jar in the refridgerator.
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Zwieback0
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: canid]
#847364 - 08/27/02 04:05 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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After I dunk my cake, do I place them in the refrigerator with it submerged? And where would I get the Hydrogen Peroxide?
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#847374 - 08/27/02 04:08 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Macey Howard]
#847528 - 08/27/02 05:08 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Refridgerator?
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Zwieback0]
#847920 - 08/27/02 07:37 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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so the idea is that you boil some water, let it cool, then pour some (just approximate?) into the half pint jar you just pulled the cake out of and then drop your cake back into there, screw lid on and put in the fridge for 12 hours?
or do you have to wash the jar before dunking?
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Zwieback0]
#847969 - 08/27/02 07:57 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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My dog has been injecting distilled water into cakes with a sterilized syringe. Working great! . I'm liking this bettter than dunking as far as simplicity.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: marathonman]
#847972 - 08/27/02 07:57 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I feel that dunking is a royal pain in the arse...
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: marathonman]
#848018 - 08/27/02 08:15 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I always used to inject sterile water into my cakes after birthing them.....when I did cakes. Then I would dunk them after the first flush!
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: mickey_rourke]
#848065 - 08/27/02 08:37 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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What? How hard is dunking unless you're doing dozens of jars? My cat scraped the top vermiculite layer off, banged the jars to loosen the cakes, poured some spring water in the jars, tightened the lids, and stuck them back in the box they came in for 12 hours. It took her around 30 minutes. She had 100% success with no contamination and good flushes.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: funwithgus]
#848067 - 08/27/02 08:38 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I never said it was hard!
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: mickey_rourke]
#848112 - 08/27/02 09:10 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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O.K. You didn't say it was hard, but you said it was a pain in the "arse." I think you meant the positives of dunking don't outweigh the negatives. I'll take the liberty and assume you didn't literally mean that it causes pain to your anus when you dunk the cakes (at least I hope so). I should have been more clear. Do you mean it was not worth the time, effort, and/or expense to dunk then? It took my cat 30 minutes, $1 worth of spring water, and a minimal amount of physical exertion to dunk them. Her cakes have fruited quite well.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: funwithgus]
#848124 - 08/27/02 09:21 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cakes for me are nothing more than a novelty. I invest as little effort as possible. I get a flush, clone the best, and take some prints. That's all I care about.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: mickey_rourke]
#848170 - 08/27/02 10:00 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think I understand now. You use cakes to clone and print, but not for growing for yield. If you've grown with grains and bulk substrate then I guess cakes seem like a waste of time. For my cats needs, though, they suffice. I've read they are good to use if you want to test a strain to see how it fruits and yields because it is a good control. Also, if you have a difficult to find strain that you want to be extra careful not to lose to contamination it is helpful to use cakes to increase the chances you'll get a print or clone.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: funwithgus]
#848172 - 08/27/02 10:01 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Very true.
I used to use cakes just for that reason. I didn't want to lose the strain.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: funwithgus]
#849056 - 08/28/02 10:43 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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to make the job of dunking even easier, i like to toss a dozen or so cakes into a large ziplock baggie then add water & toss in fridge. less a pain than filling individual jars.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Hippie3]
#849060 - 08/28/02 10:45 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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And they are cold shocked at the same time..
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Zwieback0
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: mickey_rourke]
#849148 - 08/28/02 11:36 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Y do you place dunked cakes in the fridge?
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Zwieback0]
#849285 - 08/28/02 12:34 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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In reply to:
Y do you place dunked cakes in the fridge?
Mickey answered you already!
You can throw them in the frig to cold shock them.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Hippie3]
#849289 - 08/28/02 12:36 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Great picture hippie!!!
That is a great comparison.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Roadkill]
#849303 - 08/28/02 12:42 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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How does cold shock help the cake? Seems dangerous "COLD ShOcK!"
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Zwieback0]
#849313 - 08/28/02 12:46 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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shocks the myc and initiates pinning, at least that's what the FAQ says.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Roadkill]
#849353 - 08/28/02 01:10 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I heard someone mention injection of straw juice...
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: UFOz8MyGoat]
#849372 - 08/28/02 01:28 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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-------------------- Laterz, Road Who the hell you callin crazy? You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch! Brainiac said: PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Roadkill]
#849396 - 08/28/02 01:45 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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thats actually my SiG lol but thanks ...funny how things work out sometimes
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: UFOz8MyGoat]
#849407 - 08/28/02 01:52 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Zwieback0]
#849729 - 08/28/02 05:03 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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"How does cold shock help the cake?"
When you put a cake in the fridge the mycelium thinks that winter it coming and that it is going to die, therefore it will start to pin and put out mushrooms so more spores can be produced before it dies.
The same concept works with plants also. If you take a cactus and put it in a cold room for a month or so it will start to produce flowers because it thinks its gonna die.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: primitive]
#850001 - 08/28/02 07:11 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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what a beautiful earth we live on!
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Zwieback0]
#850344 - 08/29/02 01:58 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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In reply to:
Y do you place dunked cakes in the fridge?
to prevent bacteria from growing in the dunk water
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Hippie3]
#850962 - 08/29/02 09:47 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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not really......you usually put them in the fridge for a cold shock.....as far as i know, the frindge is a nasty place, filled with all kinds of contams....
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: wrestler_az]
#850980 - 08/29/02 09:57 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, the low temperatures do inhibit bacterial growth. That's why things don't go bad as quickly in the fridge. Common sense man!
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: mickey_rourke]
#850989 - 08/29/02 10:00 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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well sure..... but is that the main reason for the fridge, or just one of the bennies?
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Edited by wrestler_az (08/29/02 10:01 AM)
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: wrestler_az]
#851539 - 08/29/02 03:30 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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considering that i invented the tek, i think i can safely say that that's the main purpose, to inhibit bacterial growth. the bonus of a 'cold shock' is icing on the cake, and fairly irrelevant as cubensis needs no cold shock to fruit, cold shocking is a technique used in fruiting azures, which do need cold.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Hippie3]
#851972 - 08/29/02 06:54 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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well, thanx now i got it right......everyone else on here is bent on the cold shock, never knew that it was all about the bacteria......see, you really DO learn somethin new every day.....peace hippie
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Hippie3]
#891627 - 09/18/02 04:35 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey what's up. Quick question. I dunked in the refridgerater for approximately 24 hours. When I took the cakes out the water was starting to freeze up around the cake... do you think this will kill the cake? There was only a little ice in the water around the cake. What do you think the prognosis may be?
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: ]
#891638 - 09/18/02 04:44 PM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Turn down the setting in your fridge. Also isn't it suppose to be done for 12 hours? I heard over 24 can drown the cake and kill it.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: ]
#892454 - 09/19/02 01:44 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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it's proly ok 24 hr dunk is ok, just stay under 48 hr
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Hippie3]
#892572 - 09/19/02 04:25 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks... I read the tek and was pretty confident... just didn't know my refridgerator was that cold (just got this fridge a week ago and actually thought it was a bit warm.. was going to return it.. guess i'll keep it now) hopefully it'll be ok... it wasnt that cold for 24 hrs str8.... because i checked on it before and the water wasn't icy.... i'll let y'all know what happens
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Hippie3]
#892688 - 09/19/02 05:49 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info Hippie3 i have read your teks on dunking and always thought that the fridge was for the dual purpose of cold shocking while dunking. thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: Dunking before 1st flush? [Re: Ripple]
#892828 - 09/19/02 07:11 AM (21 years, 4 months ago) |
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Iv'e always placed a jar filled with cotton and hydrogen peroxide in my fridge also with baking soda, it helps to keep it clean also. If you have large drawers place cakes in them, this always worked for me to keep bacteria to a minimal. Also try to keep the fridge clean and no molding food in there.
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