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Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows
#8463401 - 05/30/08 11:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Incredible pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows
Skin painted bright red, heads partially shaved, arrows drawn back in the longbows and aimed square at the aircraft buzzing overhead. The gesture is unmistakable: Stay Away.
Behind the two men stands another figure, possibly a woman, her stance also seemingly defiant. Her skin painted dark, nearly black.
The apparent aggression shown by these people is quite understandable. For they are members of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes, who live in the Envira region in the thick rainforest along the Brazilian-Peruvian frontier.
Thought never to have had any contact with the outside world, everything about these people is, and hopefully will remain, a mystery.
Go to the link for the pictures and rest of the article-> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1022822/Incredible-pictures-Earths-uncontacted-tribes-firing-bows-arrows.html
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: ShroomMan420]
#8463454 - 05/30/08 11:45 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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i wonder if they even no what electricity is
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: ShroomMan420]
#8463456 - 05/30/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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That color that they painted themselves is just bizarre, but surely there is a good reason to use it. I wonder if they have developed immunities to any Western diseases.
Edited by veggie (05/30/08 12:09 PM)
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: robbyberto]
#8463508 - 05/30/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Folks like these should be left alone. they obviously do not want contact. Some mysteries are best left. We have surveyed almost every group of people on the planet and indigenous cultures everywhere are loosing their language and their traditions.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: robbyberto]
#8463520 - 05/30/08 12:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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this is extremely interesting. BTW, what forum would anthropology fall under?
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: robbyberto]
#8463524 - 05/30/08 12:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wonder if they have developed immunities to any Western diseases.
Extremely unlikely as they wouldn't have had any exposure to them, therefore there would be no evolutionary pressure ensuring that only those with immunity to the disease would survive to breed & pass on that genetic immunity. Without periodic exposure to those diseases even if a genetic immunity had arisen the relevant genes wouldn't spread & predominate in the population.
Far more likely is the fact that they would have a much lower level of immunity to western diseases than westerners do.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: ShroomMan420]
#8463538 - 05/30/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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'These tribes represent the incredible diversity of humankind. Unless we want to condemn yet more of the earth's peoples to extinction, we must respect their choice. Any contact they have with outsiders must happen in their own time and on their own terms.'
I just hope this is possible. I kinda envy them
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: oreandra]
#8463546 - 05/30/08 12:08 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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oreandra said: Folks like these should be left alone. they obviously do not want contact. Some mysteries are best left. We have surveyed almost every group of people on the planet and indigenous cultures everywhere are loosing their language and their traditions.
lets hope they get left alone. i'm surprised they haven't been globalized yet. considering our president, it a shock that he hasn't decided we should go down there and play cowboys and indians and liberate them from living in teepees. yeah, bush probably doesn't know about it. he would have said that their bow and arrows were WMDs trying to shoot that plane down by now.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: ShroomMan420]
#8463595 - 05/30/08 12:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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someone should fly overhead and drop thousands of pics of goatse
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: rev 766]
#8463598 - 05/30/08 12:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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They probably know of highly hallucinogenic plants in the rain forest.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: rev 766]
#8463623 - 05/30/08 12:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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rev 766 said: this is extremely interesting. BTW, what forum would anthropology fall under?
i was wondering the same thing. i dont really think "science and technology" is the place for this article, but i dont know where would be a better place.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: oreandra]
#8463630 - 05/30/08 12:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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oreandra said: Folks like these should be left alone. they obviously do not want contact. Some mysteries are best left. We have surveyed almost every group of people on the planet and indigenous cultures everywhere are loosing their language and their traditions.
Why don't you let them decide for themselves what they want. It's inevitable that cultures change. I read an article by someone who had spent a lot of time with these tribes who had little and knew little about modern conveniences. Aside from old clothing and a few cooking utensils they had practically no modern implements. When negotiating with the tribal leader about staying with them in order to learn, the leader expressed and interest in seeing this mans world. They agreed and took the old man to city to show him around. Apparently the man was enthralled with what he saw, noting how much time and work could be eliminated from their daily chores. He just couldn't seem to get enough of the modern life.
Upon their return to the village, the author explained to the man that many people were of the opinion that tribes such as his should be protected from us and our technology so that they can preserve their way of life. This angered the old man who questioned why they would deprive them of what he'd experienced. He went to ask if these people thought they would choose to live like they do and that if these do-gooders thought it was so important to preserve, that he would gladly trade places with them.
It's selfish of you to desire these people get stuck in time so that you have something primitive to appreciate. What you see as a loss for these people, they most likely see as a gain.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: PilzeEssen]
#8463698 - 05/30/08 12:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Anthropology is a science after all.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: HagbardCeline]
#8463699 - 05/30/08 12:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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@HagbardCeline ...
I couldn't agree more.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: HagbardCeline]
#8463735 - 05/30/08 01:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Upon their return to the village, the author explained to the man that many people were of the opinion that tribes such as his should be protected from us and our technology so that they can preserve their way of life. This angered the old man who questioned why they would deprive them of what he'd experienced. He went to ask if these people thought they would choose to live like they do and that if these do-gooders thought it was so important to preserve, that he would gladly trade places with them.
I'd like to read that article. But it sounds like the man doesn't quite understand what he would be bargaining for.
More interesting would be him in 20 years after he had been assimilated into the mainstream and knew all the pitfalls of modern civilization. Then he could reflect on his decision and whether it was worth it - how much of his culture was lost, etc.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: ltd]
#8463939 - 05/30/08 02:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lieutenant_Dan said: someone should fly overhead and drop thousands of pics of goatse
Bastard, I almost spit up my oatmeal.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Azen]
#8464154 - 05/30/08 03:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You know what would be a laugh and what I would do if I was a millionaire would be to fly a helicopter down to the tribe, kidnap one of them in their sleep, fly him around in the helicopter, make him eat McDonalds and drink Diet Soda, and then drop him back to his tribe in the middle of the night. Just imagine what a fucking lunatic that guy would be considered to the rest of his tribe.
This whole story is a good example of how an advanced civilization might be viewing us.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Azen]
#8464178 - 05/30/08 03:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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this is prety cool i think we should just leave them alone they are lucky enough not to be apart of our dieing "culture" who knows maybe this tribe of people will be the last humans on earth if a war ever happens...you never know
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: ShroomMan420]
#8464520 - 05/30/08 05:12 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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This story makes me incredibly happy. I mean, these people just have no idea. Unknown cultural purity. Nuclear weapons, poverty, space flight, polyester, modern anything just wow. Incredible.
I wonder how often things fly over their particular area of the rainforest and if the helicopter that buzzed them was a unique experience or just an uncomfortably close one. What is their language like? So many interesting questions I hope remain unanswered...
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: toastandjam]
#8464532 - 05/30/08 05:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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So that's where Willy Wonka got his Ompa Lumpas!
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: spacemonkey69]
#8464626 - 05/30/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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They should lower in cameras. Ultimate reality show!
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: oreandra]
#8465744 - 05/30/08 10:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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oreandra said: Folks like these should be left alone. they obviously do not want contact.
What is your basis for making this statement? How do you know they don't want medicine or conflict resolution or any of the other myriad benefits that modern culture can bring?
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8465941 - 05/30/08 11:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Watch we'll go meet them w/ an expedition team, a few will get shot w/ bows, and then the tribe will die of smallpox :P
YAY western diseases. Yay euro diseases. :O
MadTown, I think it would be bad as well to ruin their way of life and bring forth new technology. You ever hear about the wars in the congo? It's 2x as bad as before because now all the tribes have guns instead of bows and sticks.
Also we'd kill them off with our sneezing.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: HagbardCeline]
#8466590 - 05/31/08 05:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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oreandra said: Folks like these should be left alone. they obviously do not want contact. Some mysteries are best left. We have surveyed almost every group of people on the planet and indigenous cultures everywhere are loosing their language and their traditions.
Why don't you let them decide for themselves what they want.
I agree. People have overly romanticized views about older cultures.
Someone I know was talking to my greatgrandma about having a home birth. My great grandma was originaly a hillbilly in a part of apilachia that didn't have electricity untill the seventies. My ggm told her they were nuts. The girl asked "but didn't you're family do it all the time? Surely it was more natural?" and my ggm said "sure we did it, we didn't have a choice. And every family had a dead baby and some had dead wives"
She also vistited a historical farm type thing in the area where they churned butter, did blacksmithing, made glass, et cet, and my ggm told the folks lecturing about the "high quality" of the products how much better she prefered the mass produced, cheap, easily had stuff from factories of today. She said that stuff wasn't fun when it took hours to make butter you can buy for a dollar at the store.
But as for your recounting of the story of the tribesman... I think your mistaken. That was just a movie, dude, and tim allen isn't an anthropologist... seriously...
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Maverick]
#8466595 - 05/31/08 05:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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DRTMaverick said: MadTown, I think it would be bad as well to ruin their way of life and bring forth new technology. You ever hear about the wars in the congo? It's 2x as bad as before because now all the tribes have guns instead of bows and sticks.
And have you heard about the tribes in the Amazon, where this story is based, that have no forms of conflict resolution or methods of friendly contact whatsoever? Many of these tribes think they are the only people on the Earth and when they see another group, their only way to deal with it is to attempt to kill the other group. And once a member of your tribe is killed by another tribe, the only possible thing you can do is to kill the person who killed your tribal member.
I don't mean to say this is the only tribal way of life in remote places. But in MANY cases this is the reality.
Tribal or primitive lifestyles are often romanticized by angsty teenagers in Western cultures uncomfortable with the relative luxury of their own lives.
I highly recommend "Jungle Child : Living With the Fayu" by Sabine Kuegler as an unromanticized look at a primitive tribe in New Guinea.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: johnm214]
#8467841 - 05/31/08 03:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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But as for your recounting of the story of the tribesman... I think your mistaken. That was just a movie, dude, and tim allen isn't an anthropologist... seriously...
What? I have no clue what movie you're talking about. I'm certain it was an article. I searched for it, but couldn't find it...yet.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8469910 - 06/01/08 03:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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DRTMaverick said: MadTown, I think it would be bad as well to ruin their way of life and bring forth new technology. You ever hear about the wars in the congo? It's 2x as bad as before because now all the tribes have guns instead of bows and sticks.
And have you heard about the tribes in the Amazon, where this story is based, that have no forms of conflict resolution or methods of friendly contact whatsoever? Many of these tribes think they are the only people on the Earth and when they see another group, their only way to deal with it is to attempt to kill the other group. And once a member of your tribe is killed by another tribe, the only possible thing you can do is to kill the person who killed your tribal member.
I don't mean to say this is the only tribal way of life in remote places. But in MANY cases this is the reality.
Tribal or primitive lifestyles are often romanticized by angsty teenagers in Western cultures uncomfortable with the relative luxury of their own lives.
I highly recommend "Jungle Child : Living With the Fayu" by Sabine Kuegler as an unromanticized look at a primitive tribe in New Guinea.
Yeah let's put guns in those people's hands and tell them their gods aren't real... Let's see how well shit goes over. Or maybe you could convince them jebus is the truth.
I don't think you people realize how dangerous it is to destroy the foundations of an entire group/tribe's beliefs via showing them all our new technology. It isn't about being an 'angsty teenager', it's about actually stepping back and going "okay, how will this impact their culture, how will they respond to this type of stimulus?" Rather than diving in head first into an empty pool, maybe you should look first.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Maverick]
#8470258 - 06/01/08 08:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It was an article, I saw it elsewhere before here.
My biggest beef with the idea of contacting these folks is that they may be very few in number and have no immunity to the diseases we carry. Simply landing the copter and shaking hands could kill off the entire tribe.
My other problem is that these cultures are fragile to the onslaught of our own. I have background in anthropology and I think even this profession makes serious mistakes in their dealings with uncontacted peoples. They may very well have valuable information for us, but they should not be approached for shallow purposes and should be given respect.
There is a fair amount of development in various parts of the Amazonian region. There is every likelihood that these folks know very well that there is other technology available to them in exchange for various things and choose not to engage.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Deebard420]
#8470527 - 06/01/08 10:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Shroomism]
#8470591 - 06/01/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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My personal stance is: leave them the fuck alone.
We've already done enough harm to ourselves and the rest of the planet. People like this exist for a reason. Obviously, they have done perfectly fine without our technology and our "medicine". Most of our medicine originates in the rainforest anyway, and I'm sure they probably know the best plants for different things... most "primitive" tribes do. But maybe they couldn't handle our technology. Maybe we can't even handle it.
The fact of the matter is, the Amazon rainforest is the lungs of the Earth... both literally and metaphorically. Our existence on this planet depends on it. It's about half the size it used to be, thanks to us.. we haven't even identified 10% of the plants and insects in the rainforest, there are plants in there that are treatments and cures for just about any disease you can think of, and so much of it is completely unknown to modern science. Yet, who knows these plants.. the shamans of these tribes. But we are steadily wiping these tribes out by destroying their environment, and have been doing so for many years. Every year, more tribes are wiped out and every year, less and less shamans retain the knowledge to pass down to future generations.
And sure, let's drag them into the city, introduce them to 10 billion technologies they have never seen before, and give them guns and make them watch TV. I'm sure that will do wonders for their culture.
I'm not saying we shouldn't even attempt to communicate at all.. there's probably a lot to be learned both ways. They could probably teach us a few things. But fuck.. don't just go in and rape their way of life from under them like we've done with so many others. I don't think you guys understand what we are messing with.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: toastandjam]
#8470676 - 06/01/08 11:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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toastandjam said: This story makes me incredibly happy. I mean, these people just have no idea. Unknown cultural purity. Nuclear weapons, poverty, space flight, polyester, modern anything just wow. Incredible.
I wonder how often things fly over their particular area of the rainforest and if the helicopter that buzzed them was a unique experience or just an uncomfortably close one. What is their language like? So many interesting questions I hope remain unanswered...
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said: I'm not saying we shouldn't even attempt to communicate at all.. there's probably a lot to be learned both ways. They could probably teach us a few things. But fuck.. don't just go in and rape their way of life from under them like we've done with so many others. I don't think you guys understand what we are messing with.
So nobody has it figured out except you, huh?
How convenient.
Again, this "noble savage" theory has been obliterated so many times it's not even funny. I'm not saying they would be better off with contact w/ the modern world. But to say they would undoubtedly be worse off is equally as myopic.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: HagbardCeline]
#8471785 - 06/01/08 05:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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But as for your recounting of the story of the tribesman... I think your mistaken. That was just a movie, dude, and tim allen isn't an anthropologist... seriously...
What? I have no clue what movie you're talking about. I'm certain it was an article. I searched for it, but couldn't find it...yet.
Sorry I was being sarcastic.
I didn't really think that tim allen was an anthropologist and that "jungle to jungle" was what your were refering to
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: ShroomMan420]
#8472449 - 06/01/08 08:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Incredible pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows . By MICHAEL HANLON Last updated at 4:43 PM on 30th May 2008 . Skin painted bright red, heads partially shaved, arrows drawn back in the longbows and aimed square at the aircraft buzzing overhead. The gesture is unmistakable: Stay Away.
I would like to know the benefit of the author MICHEAL HANLON clearly lying with the title of his article....? It goes from the tribesmen shooting at the aircraft, to the tribesmen making hostile gestures as a warning....
Another clear example of how the media is a piss poor means of finding the "truth" about anything....  Mass hysteria thru~ bullshit sensationalism.... Yay.... 
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8472454 - 06/01/08 08:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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What's your interpretation?
Did they mean "Hi! Bring Us Some Pigs?"
Are you kidding?
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8472505 - 06/01/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: What's your interpretation? . Did they mean "Hi! Bring Us Some Pigs?" . Are you kidding?
My interpretation is "fear posturing", you try to hurt us, and we will defend ourselves.... Put yourself in the shoes, having never seen other people and current technology, - much less a loud thundering metal flying contraption hovering over your head, your family, and your home....
Are you kidding....? If you don't think there is a fundemental difference between shooting and aiming, I got nuthin for ya~ dood....  Soak up that media swill.... 
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8472536 - 06/01/08 09:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: What's your interpretation? . Did they mean "Hi! Bring Us Some Pigs?" . Are you kidding?
My interpretation is "fear posturing", you try to hurt us, and we will defend ourselves.... Put yourself in the shoes, having never seen other people and current technology, - much less a loud thundering metal flying contraption hovering over your head, your family, and your home....
I'll accept that. A warning either way, but the only part of the headline I see as objectionable is the "unmistakable" part. Otherwise, your interpretation is no more right and valid than yours however much you invoke the "terrible media" clause.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8472606 - 06/01/08 09:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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You don't see the difference in the title saying that the tribe's men were shooting the weapons, and the body of the article saying that they were aiming their weapons....?? I would call that a comprehension problem....
I see a big difference.... One is the truth, and one is bullshit sensationalism to get you to read it.... Stretching the truth is no longer the truth....
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8472651 - 06/01/08 09:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why do you think they didn't fire?
Because it doesn't explicitly say so in the article?
They just waved those things around for awhile and then went back inside?
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8472788 - 06/01/08 10:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: They just waved those things around for awhile and then went back inside?
Due to the inconsistencies in the story, the world may never know what REALLY happened.... Such is the nature of the media, and my point exactly.... 
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: ShroomMan420]
#8473865 - 06/02/08 05:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If people want to make first contact, this should only happen if the tribespeople are made multi-millionaires with financial advisers.
Because otherwise you are condemning these proud Free people to poverty. They get to see some luxuries of the West, but can never dream to afford them. Instead of whole, they will then be poor.
So make them multi-millionaires, if you want them to contact modern society.
What certainly must happen is that the tribe is giving exclusive ownership of the wide region they live in.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8473891 - 06/02/08 05:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why do you think they didn't fire?
Because it doesn't explicitly say so in the article?
They just waved those things around for awhile and then went back inside?
Yes I think so 
A helicopter is a huge unknown beast that flies and makes a lot of noise. You don't attack what you aren't sure you cannot take.
If you were a bow-and-arrow warrior, would you take on a dragon?
If they shot their arrows, surely the article wouldve mentioned it.
I think you have an overly aggressive view on the human species, and our society is indeed a very aggressive one. If you're a small tribe, you are geared at defense, survival and cooperation.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: robbyberto]
#8474341 - 06/02/08 10:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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robbyberto said: That color that they painted themselves is just bizarre, but surely there is a good reason to use it.
One article I read mentioned that the first time the helicopter flew over, they were not painted as such. Then when they came back an hour later or so, they were. I think the theory is that it's part of an aggressive behavior. Several other Amazonian groups do similarly.
Regarding leaving them alone, I also remember reading that most 'uncontacted' peoples are uncontacted because they've refused contact -- Not because they don't realize other people exist, they aren't stupid. The idea that they've existed for (presumably) thousands, or at least hundreds, of years and never seen another group of humans is rather an outside chance I would think. Many uncontacted people live within traveling distance of logging camps, and other signs of 'civilization'. If they wanted to be found they'd simply show up there.
Personally, I say stop cutting down their fucking home, and leave them alone. They'll be 'found' if they want to.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said: A helicopter is a huge unknown beast that flies and makes a lot of noise. You don't attack what you aren't sure you cannot take.
I also for some reason got the impression that it was a helicopter, but it in fact was a plane (at least in this version of the poorly written article).... Maybe it is the "stillness" of the picture that made me think and accept it as a helicopter..... I would doubt they would have time to get the arrows off by time a low flying plane zipped by them.... I dunno~, I just know that I don't trust the media.... 
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: ShroomMan420]
#8478190 - 06/03/08 02:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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wow thats insane that there are still people like that living in todays earth...
they probably shroom. 
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8478752 - 06/03/08 09:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: So nobody has it figured out except you, huh?
I never said anything of the sort.
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Again, this "noble savage" theory has been obliterated so many times it's not even funny. I'm not saying they would be better off with contact w/ the modern world. But to say they would undoubtedly be worse off is equally as myopic.
I am not trying to glamorize primitive civilization. I am talking about preservation of the natural - something our modern civilization takes for granted and likes to abuse and manipulate. My rant about the Amazon Rain forest was not just some hippie bullshit. It's not a 'theory', it's reality.
The word devastation comes to mind. Devastation of natural resources. Devastation of environment. Devastation of cultures. That's what our glorious "modern" civilization and amazing technology has brought us.
I don't know about this "noble savage" thing you are referring to, but I do know a few things: 1. Nature is perfect. 2. A lot of our technology is destructive and harmful to our environment and to each other. 3. Modern man thinks he rules the world. He does not. The world rules him. He just pretends it doesn't.
I'm not saying the tribal way of life is a Utopian society. I'm saying we erroneously perceive our modern society as being superior to them. And as such, feel we must "liberate them" from their savage, primitive ways and "enlighten" them to the conveniences of modern society. I think, judging from our society and the way we are handling our own interactions.. and judging from how that has worked out in the past.. that is probably a crime against nature. If THEY want to make contact, well they have free will don't they.
Yeah sure.. we have good things to show from our technology.. running water, electricity, supermarkets, central air.. these things sure do make like more comfortable. On the flip side... neutron bombs, pollution, genetic mutations, mass extinction.."weapons of mass destruction" ... not so comfortable. So there are most definitely pros and cons to our modern society, just as there are pros and cons to the tribal ways of life. Only difference is, a bunch of spear-wielding madmen aren't going to destroy the world and leave it completely uninhabitable for human life for a million years - they aren't even remotely capable of such a thing. They are just trying to survive. We, on the other hand.. are trying to survive as lazily as possible and hopefully acquire as many material possessions as possible in the meantime, and hopefully become ruler of the world. Not necessarily for each person.. just comparing the difference in the average mentality.
Could they benefit from our technology? Most certainly. Access to machines, electricity, clean? running water, the internet, etc.. would certainly make their lives easier. But then they most likely would not be living in the remote reaches of the Rain forest. They would then be exposed to all the problems of our modern world. All of the conveniences, and all of the problems. What then? They integrate into society. Taking with them all the oral teachings, all the plant knowledge, languages and philosophy they have passed down for who knows how long. And that culture becomes history.
People learn about not taking fruit, plants, firewood, etc into different ecosystems due to the effect they can have on upsetting the balance. Well this holds similar implications, only a thousand times more serious.
I do not understand the modern world's desire to modernize everything, and in the process destroy everything that is natural and sacred. Our "modern" society is too destructive for it's own good. We cannot keep it up forever, or for much longer for that matter. Not at the rate we're going. We are rapidly destroying the environment that sustains our very existence on this planet, to say that these people would be better off by accepting our society and adapting to our way of life is a fallacy. They would not be better off. In fact, in the long run.. they would be much worse off, as would all of us.
Perhaps if we can re-assess our technology, re-assess our way of life, and rebuild more in harmony with nature - develop technology that is not destructive to our environment or each other - practice sustainable living and a society that cares for all, then I will say hell yeah.. let's find all these remote uncontacted tribes and show them what the hell they are missing. But that's not the society we live in. We do not live in a benevolent society that makes sure everyone is taken care of and is capable of sustaining itself for hundreds and thousands of years and lives with respect towards the land. Thus I can safely say, that it is not in ours, nor their best interest.. to force them into our society. No, we need people like that, to preserve the balance.. even if it is heavily weighted on our side.. at least the balance is still there.
The sooner we as a society learn, to leave some things the hell alone.. the better off we will be.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Shroomism]
#8478834 - 06/03/08 09:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think its amazing that people still live like that. I say, its pretty interesting, and we might as well just leave them alone. These relics are probably not going to be around forever, its amazing.
Who cares if they would have more convenient lives in some ways from modern care... obviously they are doing something right.
Perhaps its just a more natural... old way of life that is amazing.
I dont think its too "romantic" to respect those tribes. I say live and let live.
Hopefully they persist, its quite amazing
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Shroomism]
#8483366 - 06/04/08 11:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I hear you Shroomism. In addition to that here's a statistic I heard.
In the past 30 years society used up 30% of the world's resources.
Let me repeat that one more time:
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In the past 30 years society used up 30% of the world's resources.
Shit ain't gonna last people, and we will have to witness the downfall of our consumer society, and with it lose the DRIVING FORCE behind our economy, which is mindless consumerism.
When will the crisis hit? My guess is 2010-2020. It might take the shape of a global Great Depression. It might take the shape of World War Three. Or, both.
In 2020-2030 measures taken in the decade before will come into effect. In 2030-2040 we will see Fusion Energy plants coming online all over the world, liberating us from the disaster that is Peak Oil.
If the Technological Singularity hits us beforehand, all bets are off. I also wouldn't put it past some powers that be to unleash a killer virus pandemic to decimate the world's population in order to "fix" the problem of the monstrous wasting of resources of society as we know it.
I hope all this won't happen, but it seems pretty likely.
LEAVE THE TRIBE BE. Give them full ownership of their wide surroundings and have a small group of contacts with the Western World supplying them with things like medicines and metal tools.
The party's over in the western world, no need to invite them to our apocalypse, without any economic power or western survival skills.
If it all goes south, their wisdom of survival without technology may be of greater use to us than our silly iPods and Xboxes would be to them.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Asante]
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I doubt they'll need our metal tools though, and we should skip sending them any anti-biotics, they'll probably get more sick just opening the packaging from our own microbiological friends...
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Maverick]
#8488724 - 06/05/08 02:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just heard on the news that they'll soon be visited by an expedition.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Many of these tribes think they are the only people on the Earth and when they see another group, their only way to deal with it is to attempt to kill the other group.
Sounds a lot like the United States of America under George W. Bush.
Maybe he will dispatch John Bolton to explain conflict resolution to these godless savages and how hopelessly primitive they are and why they should emulate us "civilized folk".
I am sure he will get the welcome he deserves.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Arp]
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Arp said: Just heard on the news that they'll soon be visited by an expedition.
Source please.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: zorbman]
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Source please.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: roby000]
#8500094 - 06/08/08 01:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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someone mentioned home birth.
i just wanted to correct their implication that home birth isn't as safe or desirable as birth in a hospital.
among people who have a low risk for birth defects its actually slightly safer, and its equally as safe overall.
funfact: i was a homebirth!
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: ShroomMan420]
#8504055 - 06/09/08 04:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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they should sell all there gear on ebay as 'the worlds last tribe' and the take the proceeds to the bank. but do you think a logger is going to tell them to do that?
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Bully]
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Bully said: they should sell all there gear on ebay as 'the worlds last tribe' and the take the proceeds to the bank.

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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Primal Glitch]
#8504633 - 06/09/08 06:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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boy, that was all fucked up wasnt it? im a noob
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last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: truekimbo2]
#8556822 - 06/24/08 12:37 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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truekimbo2 said: someone mentioned home birth.
i just wanted to correct their implication that home birth isn't as safe or desirable as birth in a hospital.
among people who have a low risk for birth defects its actually slightly safer, and its equally as safe overall.
funfact: i was a homebirth!
funfact: I was a low risk pregnancy and likely would have died/had anoxic injury if I wasn't in a hospital- which my mother was considering.
What's the source for your contention?
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They are the amazing pictures that were beamed around the globe: a handful of warriors from an 'undiscovered tribe' in the rainforest on the Brazilian-Peruvian border brandishing bows and arrows at the aircraft that photographed them.
Or so the story was told and sold. But it has now emerged that, far from being unknown, the tribe's existence has been noted since 1910 and the mission to photograph them was undertaken in order to prove that 'uncontacted' tribes still existed in an area endangered by the menace of the logging industry.
The disclosures have been made by the man behind the pictures, José Carlos Meirelles, 61, one of the handful of sertanistas – experts on indigenous tribes – working for the Brazilian Indian Protection Agency, Funai, which is dedicated to searching out remote tribes and protecting them.
In his first interviews since the disclosure of the tribe's existence, Meirelles described how he found the group, detailed how they lived and how he planned the publicity to protect them and other tribes in similar danger of losing the habitat in which they have flourished for hundreds of years.
Meirelles admitted that the tribe was first known about almost a century ago and that the apparently chance encounter that produced the now famous images was no accident. 'When we think we might have found an isolated tribe,' he told al-Jazeera, 'a sertanista like me walks in the forest for two or three years to gather evidence and we mark it in our [global positioning system]. We then map the territory the Indians occupy and we draw that protected territory without making contact with them. And finally we set up a small outpost where we can monitor their protection.'
But in this case Meirelles appears, controversially, to have gone out to seek and find the uncontacted tribe in an area where it was known to be living.
According to his account, the Brazilian state of Acre offered him the use of an aircraft for three days. 'I had years of GPS co-ordinates,' he said. Meirelles had another clue to the tribe's precise location. 'A friend of mine sent me some Google Earth co-ordinates and maps that showed a strange clearing in the middle of the forest and asked me what that was,' he said. 'I saw the co-ordinates and realised that it was close to the area I had been exploring with my son – so I needed to fly over it.'
For two days, Meirelles says, he flew a 150km-radius route over the border region with Peru and saw huts that belonged to isolated tribes. But he did not see people. 'When the women hear the plane above, they run into the forest, thinking it's a big bird,' he said. 'This is such a remote area, planes don't fly over it.'
What he was looking for was not only proof of life, but firm evidence that the tribes in this area were flourishing – proof in his view that the policy of no contact and protection was working. On the last day, with only a couple hours of flight time remaining, Meirelles spotted a large community.
'When I saw them painted red, I was satisfied, I was happy,' he said. 'Because painted red means they are ready for war, which to me says they are happy and healthy defending their territory.'
Survival International, the organisation that released the pictures along with Funai, conceded yesterday that Funai had known about this nomadic tribe for around two decades. It defended the disturbance of the tribe saying that, since the images had been released, it had forced neighbouring Peru to re-examine its logging policy in the border area where the tribe lives, as a result of the international media attention. Activist and former Funai president Sydney Possuelo agreed that – amid threats to their environment and doubt over the existence of such tribes – it was necessary to publish them.
But the revelation that the existence of the tribe was already established will provoke awkward questions over why a decision was made to try to photograph them – a form of contact in itself – in order to make a political point.
Meirelles, one of only five or so genuine sertanistas, has no regrets, arguing that the pictures and video released to the world were powerful and indisputable evidence to those who say isolated tribes no longer exist. 'Alan García [the President of Peru] declared recently that the isolated Indians were a creation in the imagination of environmentalists and anthropologists – now we have the pictures.'
But he is determined to keep the tribe's location secret – even under torture, he says. 'They can decide when they want contact, not me or anyone else.'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/21/amazon?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: johnm214]
#8556862 - 06/24/08 12:57 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Was it claimed the tribe was previously unknown or uncontacted?
Because those are two different things.
The heading says "uncontacted".
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: zorbman]
#8557009 - 06/24/08 02:09 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, it's not really a hoax. The tribe is a real, uncontacted tribe.
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: zouden]
#8557348 - 06/24/08 06:34 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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No, thats not true.
The tribe has been in contact since 1920, at least that is what I read in TIME today.
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8557377 - 06/24/08 06:53 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hmmm... this is the article I read:
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They are the amazing pictures that were beamed around the globe: a handful of warriors from an "undiscovered tribe" in the rainforest on the Brazilian-Peruvian border brandishing bows and arrows at the aircraft that photographed them.
Or so the story was told and sold. But it has now emerged that, far from being unknown, the tribe's existence has been noted since 1910 and the mission to photograph them was undertaken in order to prove "uncontacted" tribes still existed in an area endangered by the menace of the logging industry.
The disclosures have been made by the man behind the pictures, Jose Carlos Meirelles, 61, one of the handful of sertanistas - experts on indigenous tribes - working for the Brazilian Indian Protection Agency, Funai, which is dedicated to searching out remote tribes and protecting them.
In his first interviews since the disclosure of the tribe's existence, Meirelles described how he found the group, detailed how they lived and planned the publicity to protect them and other tribes in similar danger of losing the habitat in which they have flourished for hundreds of years.
Meirelles admitted that the tribe was first known about almost a century ago and the apparently chance encounter that produced the now famous images was no accident. "When we think we might have found an isolated tribe, a sertanista like me walks in the forest for two or three years to gather evidence and we mark it in our [global positioning system]. We then map the territory the Indians occupy and we draw that protected territory without making contact with them. And finally we set up a small outpost where we can monitor their protection."
But Meirelles appears, controversially, to have gone out to seek and find the uncontacted tribe in an area where it was known to live. According to his account, the Brazilian state of Acre offered him the use of an aircraft for three days. "I had years of GPS co-ordinates," he said. Meirelles argues the pictures were powerful and indisputable evidence to those who say isolated tribes no longer exist. But he is determined to keep the tribe's location secret. "They can decide when they want contact, not me or anyone else."
It's a bit ambiguous really
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8559241 - 06/24/08 05:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: No, thats not true. . The tribe has been in contact since 1920, at least that is what I read in TIME today.
Tell me, what is "TRUE"....?  I read on Yahoo today that they have been known since 1910....
So dood, which time were they lying, and what were they lying about this time....?  Of course it's not the "terrible media", everything they say is all true, soak up the swill.....! 
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Madtowntripper said: your interpretation is no more right and valid than yours however much you invoke the "terrible media" clause.
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PhanTomCat said: Due to the inconsistencies in the story, the world may never know what REALLY happened.... Such is the nature of the media, and my point exactly....  . . >^;;^<
I hate to say "I told ya~ so", but, I really don't hate it at the moment..... This turn of events is nothing short of ironically funny - given our discussion....! 
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: ShroomMan420]
#8559276 - 06/24/08 05:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wonder if they shrink heads. Of course, if they weren't trained by the CIA, they wouldn't shrink heads.
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8559637 - 06/24/08 07:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I read on Yahoo today that they have been known since 1910....
Known or contacted?
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: zorbman]
#8559837 - 06/24/08 08:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I can't find a link, but I had copied the article and sent it thru e-mail from work.... This is the article I read today....:
""The Not-So-Lost Tribe by Mike Krumboltz . June 23, 2008 06:09:40 PM . Even in an age when cynical sleuths can hyper-analyze stories for truth and accuracy, the occasional hoax still slips through the cracks. Such was the case with a so-called "lost Amazon tribe." . A few months ago, mainstream news outlets (including, ahem, Yahoo!) reported that a photographer had found a lost tribe of warriors near the Brazilian-Peruvian border. Photos of the tribe backed up his claim. . As it turns out, the story is only half true. The men in the photo are members of a tribe, but it certainly ain't "lost." In fact, as the photographer, José Carlos Meirelles, recently explained, authorities have known about this particular tribe since 1910. The photographer and the agency that released the pictures wanted to make it seem like they were members of a lost tribe in order to call attention to the dangers the logging industry may have on the group. . The photographer recently came clean, and news outlets, perhaps embarrassed at having been taken for a ride, have been slow to pick up the story. Now, the word is starting to spread and articles in the Buzz are picking up steam. Expect a lot more brutal truth in the coming days.""
I am already seeing news articles saying that the article was not a hoax.... 
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol *DELETED* [Re: PhanTomCat]
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: roby000]
#8567723 - 06/26/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Certainly.... Make sure you read up on the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide, I hear that it can be quite a killer.... 
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8568074 - 06/26/08 06:12 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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they have a really funny site about that somewhere.
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: roby000]
#8568855 - 06/26/08 09:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm gonna laugh when they get there and find Richard Dreyfuss and his family all dressed up!
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: ToTheSummit]
#8571656 - 06/27/08 04:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Was that reference too obscure? Did I kill this thread?
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: ToTheSummit]
#8572284 - 06/27/08 07:55 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think it was tapering off anyways.
Were you referring to 'What About Bob?'
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: ToTheSummit]
#8572459 - 06/27/08 08:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, you lost me on that one.....
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: zorbman]
#8574458 - 06/28/08 02:15 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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zorbman said: Were you referring to 'What About Bob?'
"Krippendorf's Tribe"
If you've seen the movie you'd understand the reference in this thread.
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