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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: ShroomMan420]
#8473865 - 06/02/08 05:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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If people want to make first contact, this should only happen if the tribespeople are made multi-millionaires with financial advisers.
Because otherwise you are condemning these proud Free people to poverty. They get to see some luxuries of the West, but can never dream to afford them. Instead of whole, they will then be poor.
So make them multi-millionaires, if you want them to contact modern society.
What certainly must happen is that the tribe is giving exclusive ownership of the wide region they live in.
And keep the missionaries out
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8473891 - 06/02/08 05:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why do you think they didn't fire?
Because it doesn't explicitly say so in the article?
They just waved those things around for awhile and then went back inside?
Yes I think so 
A helicopter is a huge unknown beast that flies and makes a lot of noise. You don't attack what you aren't sure you cannot take.
If you were a bow-and-arrow warrior, would you take on a dragon?
If they shot their arrows, surely the article wouldve mentioned it.
I think you have an overly aggressive view on the human species, and our society is indeed a very aggressive one. If you're a small tribe, you are geared at defense, survival and cooperation.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: robbyberto]
#8474341 - 06/02/08 10:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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robbyberto said: That color that they painted themselves is just bizarre, but surely there is a good reason to use it.
One article I read mentioned that the first time the helicopter flew over, they were not painted as such. Then when they came back an hour later or so, they were. I think the theory is that it's part of an aggressive behavior. Several other Amazonian groups do similarly.
Regarding leaving them alone, I also remember reading that most 'uncontacted' peoples are uncontacted because they've refused contact -- Not because they don't realize other people exist, they aren't stupid. The idea that they've existed for (presumably) thousands, or at least hundreds, of years and never seen another group of humans is rather an outside chance I would think. Many uncontacted people live within traveling distance of logging camps, and other signs of 'civilization'. If they wanted to be found they'd simply show up there.
Personally, I say stop cutting down their fucking home, and leave them alone. They'll be 'found' if they want to.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Asante]
#8475622 - 06/02/08 04:35 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: A helicopter is a huge unknown beast that flies and makes a lot of noise. You don't attack what you aren't sure you cannot take.
I also for some reason got the impression that it was a helicopter, but it in fact was a plane (at least in this version of the poorly written article).... Maybe it is the "stillness" of the picture that made me think and accept it as a helicopter..... I would doubt they would have time to get the arrows off by time a low flying plane zipped by them.... I dunno~, I just know that I don't trust the media.... 
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: ShroomMan420]
#8478190 - 06/03/08 02:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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wow thats insane that there are still people like that living in todays earth...
they probably shroom. 
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8478752 - 06/03/08 09:01 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: So nobody has it figured out except you, huh?
I never said anything of the sort.
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Again, this "noble savage" theory has been obliterated so many times it's not even funny. I'm not saying they would be better off with contact w/ the modern world. But to say they would undoubtedly be worse off is equally as myopic.
I am not trying to glamorize primitive civilization. I am talking about preservation of the natural - something our modern civilization takes for granted and likes to abuse and manipulate. My rant about the Amazon Rain forest was not just some hippie bullshit. It's not a 'theory', it's reality.
The word devastation comes to mind. Devastation of natural resources. Devastation of environment. Devastation of cultures. That's what our glorious "modern" civilization and amazing technology has brought us.
I don't know about this "noble savage" thing you are referring to, but I do know a few things: 1. Nature is perfect. 2. A lot of our technology is destructive and harmful to our environment and to each other. 3. Modern man thinks he rules the world. He does not. The world rules him. He just pretends it doesn't.
I'm not saying the tribal way of life is a Utopian society. I'm saying we erroneously perceive our modern society as being superior to them. And as such, feel we must "liberate them" from their savage, primitive ways and "enlighten" them to the conveniences of modern society. I think, judging from our society and the way we are handling our own interactions.. and judging from how that has worked out in the past.. that is probably a crime against nature. If THEY want to make contact, well they have free will don't they.
Yeah sure.. we have good things to show from our technology.. running water, electricity, supermarkets, central air.. these things sure do make like more comfortable. On the flip side... neutron bombs, pollution, genetic mutations, mass extinction.."weapons of mass destruction" ... not so comfortable. So there are most definitely pros and cons to our modern society, just as there are pros and cons to the tribal ways of life. Only difference is, a bunch of spear-wielding madmen aren't going to destroy the world and leave it completely uninhabitable for human life for a million years - they aren't even remotely capable of such a thing. They are just trying to survive. We, on the other hand.. are trying to survive as lazily as possible and hopefully acquire as many material possessions as possible in the meantime, and hopefully become ruler of the world. Not necessarily for each person.. just comparing the difference in the average mentality.
Could they benefit from our technology? Most certainly. Access to machines, electricity, clean? running water, the internet, etc.. would certainly make their lives easier. But then they most likely would not be living in the remote reaches of the Rain forest. They would then be exposed to all the problems of our modern world. All of the conveniences, and all of the problems. What then? They integrate into society. Taking with them all the oral teachings, all the plant knowledge, languages and philosophy they have passed down for who knows how long. And that culture becomes history.
People learn about not taking fruit, plants, firewood, etc into different ecosystems due to the effect they can have on upsetting the balance. Well this holds similar implications, only a thousand times more serious.
I do not understand the modern world's desire to modernize everything, and in the process destroy everything that is natural and sacred. Our "modern" society is too destructive for it's own good. We cannot keep it up forever, or for much longer for that matter. Not at the rate we're going. We are rapidly destroying the environment that sustains our very existence on this planet, to say that these people would be better off by accepting our society and adapting to our way of life is a fallacy. They would not be better off. In fact, in the long run.. they would be much worse off, as would all of us.
Perhaps if we can re-assess our technology, re-assess our way of life, and rebuild more in harmony with nature - develop technology that is not destructive to our environment or each other - practice sustainable living and a society that cares for all, then I will say hell yeah.. let's find all these remote uncontacted tribes and show them what the hell they are missing. But that's not the society we live in. We do not live in a benevolent society that makes sure everyone is taken care of and is capable of sustaining itself for hundreds and thousands of years and lives with respect towards the land. Thus I can safely say, that it is not in ours, nor their best interest.. to force them into our society. No, we need people like that, to preserve the balance.. even if it is heavily weighted on our side.. at least the balance is still there.
The sooner we as a society learn, to leave some things the hell alone.. the better off we will be.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Shroomism]
#8478834 - 06/03/08 09:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think its amazing that people still live like that. I say, its pretty interesting, and we might as well just leave them alone. These relics are probably not going to be around forever, its amazing.
Who cares if they would have more convenient lives in some ways from modern care... obviously they are doing something right.
Perhaps its just a more natural... old way of life that is amazing.
I dont think its too "romantic" to respect those tribes. I say live and let live.
Hopefully they persist, its quite amazing
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Shroomism]
#8483366 - 06/04/08 11:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I hear you Shroomism. In addition to that here's a statistic I heard.
In the past 30 years society used up 30% of the world's resources.
Let me repeat that one more time:
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In the past 30 years society used up 30% of the world's resources.
Shit ain't gonna last people, and we will have to witness the downfall of our consumer society, and with it lose the DRIVING FORCE behind our economy, which is mindless consumerism.
When will the crisis hit? My guess is 2010-2020. It might take the shape of a global Great Depression. It might take the shape of World War Three. Or, both.
In 2020-2030 measures taken in the decade before will come into effect. In 2030-2040 we will see Fusion Energy plants coming online all over the world, liberating us from the disaster that is Peak Oil.
If the Technological Singularity hits us beforehand, all bets are off. I also wouldn't put it past some powers that be to unleash a killer virus pandemic to decimate the world's population in order to "fix" the problem of the monstrous wasting of resources of society as we know it.
I hope all this won't happen, but it seems pretty likely.
LEAVE THE TRIBE BE. Give them full ownership of their wide surroundings and have a small group of contacts with the Western World supplying them with things like medicines and metal tools.
The party's over in the western world, no need to invite them to our apocalypse, without any economic power or western survival skills.
If it all goes south, their wisdom of survival without technology may be of greater use to us than our silly iPods and Xboxes would be to them.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Asante]
#8484656 - 06/04/08 06:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I doubt they'll need our metal tools though, and we should skip sending them any anti-biotics, they'll probably get more sick just opening the packaging from our own microbiological friends...
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Maverick]
#8488724 - 06/05/08 02:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just heard on the news that they'll soon be visited by an expedition.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Madtowntripper]
#8494329 - 06/06/08 09:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Many of these tribes think they are the only people on the Earth and when they see another group, their only way to deal with it is to attempt to kill the other group.
Sounds a lot like the United States of America under George W. Bush.
Maybe he will dispatch John Bolton to explain conflict resolution to these godless savages and how hopelessly primitive they are and why they should emulate us "civilized folk".
I am sure he will get the welcome he deserves.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Arp]
#8494337 - 06/06/08 09:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Arp said: Just heard on the news that they'll soon be visited by an expedition.
Source please.
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: zorbman]
#8499447 - 06/08/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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zorbman said:
Source please.
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Arp said: Just heard on the news
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: roby000]
#8500094 - 06/08/08 01:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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someone mentioned home birth.
i just wanted to correct their implication that home birth isn't as safe or desirable as birth in a hospital.
among people who have a low risk for birth defects its actually slightly safer, and its equally as safe overall.
funfact: i was a homebirth!
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: ShroomMan420]
#8504055 - 06/09/08 04:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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they should sell all there gear on ebay as 'the worlds last tribe' and the take the proceeds to the bank. but do you think a logger is going to tell them to do that?
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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Bully]
#8504599 - 06/09/08 06:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Bully said: they should sell all there gear on ebay as 'the worlds last tribe' and the take the proceeds to the bank.

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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Primal Glitch]
#8504633 - 06/09/08 06:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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boy, that was all fucked up wasnt it? im a noob
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last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: truekimbo2]
#8556822 - 06/24/08 12:37 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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truekimbo2 said: someone mentioned home birth.
i just wanted to correct their implication that home birth isn't as safe or desirable as birth in a hospital.
among people who have a low risk for birth defects its actually slightly safer, and its equally as safe overall.
funfact: i was a homebirth!
funfact: I was a low risk pregnancy and likely would have died/had anoxic injury if I wasn't in a hospital- which my mother was considering.
What's the source for your contention?
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They are the amazing pictures that were beamed around the globe: a handful of warriors from an 'undiscovered tribe' in the rainforest on the Brazilian-Peruvian border brandishing bows and arrows at the aircraft that photographed them.
Or so the story was told and sold. But it has now emerged that, far from being unknown, the tribe's existence has been noted since 1910 and the mission to photograph them was undertaken in order to prove that 'uncontacted' tribes still existed in an area endangered by the menace of the logging industry.
The disclosures have been made by the man behind the pictures, José Carlos Meirelles, 61, one of the handful of sertanistas – experts on indigenous tribes – working for the Brazilian Indian Protection Agency, Funai, which is dedicated to searching out remote tribes and protecting them.
In his first interviews since the disclosure of the tribe's existence, Meirelles described how he found the group, detailed how they lived and how he planned the publicity to protect them and other tribes in similar danger of losing the habitat in which they have flourished for hundreds of years.
Meirelles admitted that the tribe was first known about almost a century ago and that the apparently chance encounter that produced the now famous images was no accident. 'When we think we might have found an isolated tribe,' he told al-Jazeera, 'a sertanista like me walks in the forest for two or three years to gather evidence and we mark it in our [global positioning system]. We then map the territory the Indians occupy and we draw that protected territory without making contact with them. And finally we set up a small outpost where we can monitor their protection.'
But in this case Meirelles appears, controversially, to have gone out to seek and find the uncontacted tribe in an area where it was known to be living.
According to his account, the Brazilian state of Acre offered him the use of an aircraft for three days. 'I had years of GPS co-ordinates,' he said. Meirelles had another clue to the tribe's precise location. 'A friend of mine sent me some Google Earth co-ordinates and maps that showed a strange clearing in the middle of the forest and asked me what that was,' he said. 'I saw the co-ordinates and realised that it was close to the area I had been exploring with my son – so I needed to fly over it.'
For two days, Meirelles says, he flew a 150km-radius route over the border region with Peru and saw huts that belonged to isolated tribes. But he did not see people. 'When the women hear the plane above, they run into the forest, thinking it's a big bird,' he said. 'This is such a remote area, planes don't fly over it.'
What he was looking for was not only proof of life, but firm evidence that the tribes in this area were flourishing – proof in his view that the policy of no contact and protection was working. On the last day, with only a couple hours of flight time remaining, Meirelles spotted a large community.
'When I saw them painted red, I was satisfied, I was happy,' he said. 'Because painted red means they are ready for war, which to me says they are happy and healthy defending their territory.'
Survival International, the organisation that released the pictures along with Funai, conceded yesterday that Funai had known about this nomadic tribe for around two decades. It defended the disturbance of the tribe saying that, since the images had been released, it had forced neighbouring Peru to re-examine its logging policy in the border area where the tribe lives, as a result of the international media attention. Activist and former Funai president Sydney Possuelo agreed that – amid threats to their environment and doubt over the existence of such tribes – it was necessary to publish them.
But the revelation that the existence of the tribe was already established will provoke awkward questions over why a decision was made to try to photograph them – a form of contact in itself – in order to make a political point.
Meirelles, one of only five or so genuine sertanistas, has no regrets, arguing that the pictures and video released to the world were powerful and indisputable evidence to those who say isolated tribes no longer exist. 'Alan García [the President of Peru] declared recently that the isolated Indians were a creation in the imagination of environmentalists and anthropologists – now we have the pictures.'
But he is determined to keep the tribe's location secret – even under torture, he says. 'They can decide when they want contact, not me or anyone else.'
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: johnm214]
#8556862 - 06/24/08 12:57 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Was it claimed the tribe was previously unknown or uncontacted?
Because those are two different things.
The heading says "uncontacted".
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Re: last uncontacted tribes firing... hoax, lol [Re: zorbman]
#8557009 - 06/24/08 02:09 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, it's not really a hoax. The tribe is a real, uncontacted tribe.
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