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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: spacemonkey69]
    #8464626 - 05/30/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

They should lower in cameras. Ultimate reality show!

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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: oreandra]
    #8465744 - 05/30/08 10:16 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Folks like these should be left alone. they obviously do not want contact.




What is your basis for making this statement? How do you know they don't want medicine or conflict resolution or any of the other myriad benefits that modern culture can bring?


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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8465941 - 05/30/08 11:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Watch we'll go meet them w/ an expedition team, a few will get shot w/ bows, and then the tribe will die of smallpox :P

YAY western diseases. Yay euro diseases. :O

MadTown, I think it would be bad as well to ruin their way of life and bring forth new technology. You ever hear about the wars in the congo? It's 2x as bad as before because now all the tribes have guns instead of bows and sticks.

Also we'd kill them off with our sneezing.

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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #8466590 - 05/31/08 05:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Folks like these should be left alone. they obviously do not want contact. Some mysteries are best left. We have surveyed almost every group of people on the planet and indigenous cultures everywhere are loosing their language and their traditions.




Why don't you let them decide for themselves what they want.




I agree. People have overly romanticized views about older cultures.

Someone I know was talking to my greatgrandma about having a home birth. My great grandma was originaly a hillbilly in a part of apilachia that didn't have electricity untill the seventies. My ggm told her they were nuts. The girl asked "but didn't you're family do it all the time? Surely it was more natural?" and my ggm said "sure we did it, we didn't have a choice. And every family had a dead baby and some had dead wives"

She also vistited a historical farm type thing in the area where they churned butter, did blacksmithing, made glass, et cet, and my ggm told the folks lecturing about the "high quality" of the products how much better she prefered the mass produced, cheap, easily had stuff from factories of today. She said that stuff wasn't fun when it took hours to make butter you can buy for a dollar at the store.



But as for your recounting of the story of the tribesman... I think your mistaken. That was just a movie, dude, and tim allen isn't an anthropologist... seriously...


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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Maverick]
    #8466595 - 05/31/08 05:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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MadTown, I think it would be bad as well to ruin their way of life and bring forth new technology. You ever hear about the wars in the congo? It's 2x as bad as before because now all the tribes have guns instead of bows and sticks.




And have you heard about the tribes in the Amazon, where this story is based, that have no forms of conflict resolution or methods of friendly contact whatsoever? Many of these tribes think they are the only people on the Earth and when they see another group, their only way to deal with it is to attempt to kill the other group. And once a member of your tribe is killed by another tribe, the only possible thing you can do is to kill the person who killed your tribal member.

I don't mean to say this is the only tribal way of life in remote places. But in MANY cases this is the reality.

Tribal or primitive lifestyles are often romanticized by angsty teenagers in Western cultures uncomfortable with the relative luxury of their own lives.

I highly recommend "Jungle Child : Living With the Fayu" by Sabine Kuegler as an unromanticized look at a primitive tribe in New Guinea.


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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: johnm214]
    #8467841 - 05/31/08 03:58 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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But as for your recounting of the story of the tribesman... I think your mistaken. That was just a movie, dude, and tim allen isn't an anthropologist... seriously...





What? I have no clue what movie you're talking about. I'm certain it was an article. I searched for it, but couldn't find it...yet.


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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8469910 - 06/01/08 03:35 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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MadTown, I think it would be bad as well to ruin their way of life and bring forth new technology. You ever hear about the wars in the congo? It's 2x as bad as before because now all the tribes have guns instead of bows and sticks.




And have you heard about the tribes in the Amazon, where this story is based, that have no forms of conflict resolution or methods of friendly contact whatsoever? Many of these tribes think they are the only people on the Earth and when they see another group, their only way to deal with it is to attempt to kill the other group. And once a member of your tribe is killed by another tribe, the only possible thing you can do is to kill the person who killed your tribal member.

I don't mean to say this is the only tribal way of life in remote places. But in MANY cases this is the reality.

Tribal or primitive lifestyles are often romanticized by angsty teenagers in Western cultures uncomfortable with the relative luxury of their own lives.

I highly recommend "Jungle Child : Living With the Fayu" by Sabine Kuegler as an unromanticized look at a primitive tribe in New Guinea.





Yeah let's put guns in those people's hands and tell them their gods aren't real... Let's see how well shit goes over. Or maybe you could convince them jebus is the truth.

I don't think you people realize how dangerous it is to destroy the foundations of an entire group/tribe's beliefs via showing them all our new technology. It isn't about being an 'angsty teenager', it's about actually stepping back and going "okay, how will this impact their culture, how will they respond to this type of stimulus?" Rather than diving in head first into an empty pool, maybe you should look first.

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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Maverick]
    #8470258 - 06/01/08 08:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

It was an article, I saw it elsewhere before here.

My biggest beef with the idea of contacting these folks is that they may be very few in number and have no immunity to the diseases we carry. Simply landing the copter and shaking hands could kill off the entire tribe.

My other problem is that these cultures are fragile to the onslaught of our own. I have background in anthropology and I think even this profession makes serious mistakes in their dealings with uncontacted peoples. They may very well have valuable information for us, but they should not be approached for shallow purposes and should be given respect.

There is a fair amount of development in various parts of the Amazonian region. There is every likelihood that these folks know very well that there is other technology available to them in exchange for various things and choose not to engage.


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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Deebard420]
    #8470527 - 06/01/08 10:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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i wonder if they even no what electricity is :rofl2:




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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Shroomism]
    #8470591 - 06/01/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

My personal stance is: leave them the fuck alone.

We've already done enough harm to ourselves and the rest of the planet. People like this exist for a reason. Obviously, they have done perfectly fine without our technology and our "medicine". Most of our medicine originates in the rainforest anyway, and I'm sure they probably know the best plants for different things... most "primitive" tribes do. But maybe they couldn't handle our technology. Maybe we can't even handle it.

The fact of the matter is, the Amazon rainforest is the lungs of the Earth... both literally and metaphorically. Our existence on this planet depends on it. It's about half the size it used to be, thanks to us.. we haven't even identified 10% of the plants and insects in the rainforest, there are plants in there that are treatments and cures for just about any disease you can think of, and so much of it is completely unknown to modern science. Yet, who knows these plants.. the shamans of these tribes. But we are steadily wiping these tribes out by destroying their environment, and have been doing so for many years. Every year, more tribes are wiped out and every year, less and less shamans retain the knowledge to pass down to future generations.

And sure, let's drag them into the city, introduce them to 10 billion technologies they have never seen before, and give them guns and make them watch TV. I'm sure that will do wonders for their culture.

I'm not saying we shouldn't even attempt to communicate at all.. there's probably a lot to be learned both ways. They could probably teach us a few things. But fuck.. don't just go in and rape their way of life from under them like we've done with so many others. I don't think you guys understand what we are messing with.


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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: toastandjam]
    #8470676 - 06/01/08 11:28 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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This story makes me incredibly happy.  I mean, these people just have no idea.  Unknown cultural purity.  Nuclear weapons, poverty, space flight, polyester, modern anything just wow.  Incredible. 

I wonder how often things fly over their particular area of the rainforest and if the helicopter that buzzed them was a unique experience or just an uncomfortably close one.  What is their language like?  So many interesting questions I hope remain unanswered...




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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Shroomism]
    #8470687 - 06/01/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm not saying we shouldn't even attempt to communicate at all.. there's probably a lot to be learned both ways. They could probably teach us a few things. But fuck.. don't just go in and rape their way of life from under them like we've done with so many others. I don't think you guys understand what we are messing with.




So nobody has it figured out except you, huh?

How convenient.

Again, this "noble savage" theory has been obliterated so many times it's not even funny. I'm not saying they would be better off with contact w/ the modern world. But to say they would undoubtedly be worse off is equally as myopic.


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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #8471785 - 06/01/08 05:10 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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But as for your recounting of the story of the tribesman... I think your mistaken. That was just a movie, dude, and tim allen isn't an anthropologist... seriously...





What? I have no clue what movie you're talking about. I'm certain it was an article. I searched for it, but couldn't find it...yet.




Sorry I was being sarcastic.

I didn't really think that tim allen was an anthropologist and that "jungle to jungle" was what your were refering to

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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: ShroomMan420]
    #8472449 - 06/01/08 08:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Incredible pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows
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By MICHAEL HANLON
Last updated at 4:43 PM on 30th May 2008
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Skin painted bright red, heads partially shaved, arrows drawn back in the longbows and aimed square at the aircraft buzzing overhead. The gesture is unmistakable: Stay Away.




I would like to know the benefit of the author MICHEAL HANLON  clearly lying with the title of his article....?
It goes from the tribesmen shooting at the aircraft, to the tribesmen making hostile gestures as a warning....

Another clear example of how the media is a piss poor means of finding the "truth" about anything....    :thumbdown:
Mass hysteria thru~ bullshit sensationalism....  Yay....    :flowstone:


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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8472454 - 06/01/08 08:54 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What's your interpretation?

Did they mean "Hi! Bring Us Some Pigs?"

Are you kidding?


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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8472505 - 06/01/08 09:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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What's your interpretation?
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Did they mean "Hi! Bring Us Some Pigs?"
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Are you kidding?





My interpretation is "fear posturing", you try to hurt us, and we will defend ourselves....
Put yourself in the shoes, having never seen other people and current technology, -
much less a loud thundering metal flying contraption hovering over your head, your family, and your home....

Are you kidding....?
If you don't think there is a fundemental difference between shooting and aiming, I got nuthin for ya~ dood....    :ohwell:
Soak up that media swill....    :wink:


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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8472536 - 06/01/08 09:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
What's your interpretation?
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Did they mean "Hi! Bring Us Some Pigs?"
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Are you kidding?





My interpretation is "fear posturing", you try to hurt us, and we will defend ourselves....
Put yourself in the shoes, having never seen other people and current technology, -
much less a loud thundering metal flying contraption hovering over your head, your family, and your home....





I'll accept that. A warning either way, but the only part of the headline I see as objectionable is the "unmistakable" part. Otherwise, your interpretation is no more right and valid than yours however much you invoke the "terrible media" clause.


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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8472606 - 06/01/08 09:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You don't see the difference in the title saying that the tribe's men were shooting the weapons,
and the body of the article saying that they were aiming their weapons....??
I would call that a comprehension problem....

I see a big difference....
One is the truth, and one is bullshit sensationalism to get you to read it....
Stretching the truth is no longer the truth....


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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8472651 - 06/01/08 09:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Why do you think they didn't fire?

Because it doesn't explicitly say so in the article?

They just waved those things around for awhile and then went back inside?


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Re: Pictures of one of Earth's last uncontacted tribes firing bows and arrows [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8472788 - 06/01/08 10:13 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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They just waved those things around for awhile and then went back inside?




Due to the inconsistencies in the story, the world may never know what REALLY happened....
Such is the nature of the media, and my point exactly....    :shrug:


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