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 blacktarropium
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 bueing 
#846227 - 08/27/02 06:48 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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i have had about 4 succesfull grows and the last one i just finished i noticed when i pick the shrooms there was blueing within 5 sec and after i dried them the stem and cap turned blue also , the strain was sa , this was the first time i have grown this type , all the other strains stayed white exept for where i touched them . so my question is why was there so much blueing , and if i touch the shrooms too much and they turn blue will that lower the potincy . the only differance i have done on this grow was that it was from a casing and i fand dried them for a day then put them in a cantainer with some dry right , but that was the only thing different . thanks for any replys
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blacktarropium
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Re: bueing [Re: ]
#846261 - 08/27/02 07:16 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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acually my friend is growing them , do you know the answer to my question
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I3lunts42o
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it means their potent.  eat up 
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I eat every tab i find,
I drink shroom tea by the jugs,
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blacktarropium
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so the more blue they turn the more potent they are right ? , will to much bruising lower the potincy
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blacktarropium
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also on the last shrooms my FRIEND grew , not only did the stem turn blue but the cap did also , i never herd of the cap turning blue
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i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say no...
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" you in here fo some marijuana?...
bue this man! BUUUUUUEEEEE!"
oh you meant blueing! well the blueing is the psilocin, et all, oxidizing due to air exposure. so blueing means you got the good stuff inside but dont let it blue too much!
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TM
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In reply to:
dont let it blue too much!
Why not? I've gotten my strongest trips from the bluest stems/caps. I don't think the blueing (or bueing) hurts the potency at all as long as they're properly dried.
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Re: bueing [Re: TM]
#849033 - 08/28/02 10:29 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Blueing is a result of oxidation. Some potency is lost.
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TM
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Who's to say that oxidized psiloc(yb)in isn't still just as potent as the unoxidized? 
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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss.
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DreaMaTrix
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Re: bueing [Re: TM]
#849078 - 08/28/02 10:53 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Blueing is psilocin that has been oxidised, rendering it inactive.
Good luck
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Edited by DreaMaTrix (08/28/02 10:54 AM)
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TM
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In reply to:
rendering it inactive
Prove it.
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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss.
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DreaMaTrix
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Re: bueing [Re: TM]
#849096 - 08/28/02 11:01 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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In reply to:
Prove it.
Disprove it.
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mickey_rourke
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Haha.. TM always wants to have the last word..
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TM
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I trip harder on the bluer shrooms, disproof enough for me!
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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns
I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss.
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DreaMaTrix
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Re: bueing [Re: TM]
#849128 - 08/28/02 11:25 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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In reply to:
I trip harder on the bluer shrooms, disproof enough for me!
The mushroom contains psilocybin and psilocin. Psilocybin does not becomes inactive when dried, psilocin does, it oxidises, thus blueing.
Psilocin is in the mushroom in very small quantities, psilocybin higher quantities.
Psilocybin is a fairly stable compound, but psilocin is very susceptible to oxidization.
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TM
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If you can't back your myth with fact, stop spouting it. I say just because the psilocin has oxidized, turning it blue, doesn't mean anything else in it's chemical compositiion has changed besides the color.
In either case, whether the psilocin is impotent or not after it turns blue, it is a very good indicator of shroom potential. It would stand to reason that the more psilocin in a shroom, the more psilocybin as well.
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"Have some congratulatory drugs." - C. Montgomery Burns
I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss.
TM™
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DreaMaTrix
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Re: bueing [Re: TM]
#849170 - 08/28/02 11:45 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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>It would stand to reason that the more psilocin in a shroom, the more psilocybin as well.
I agree with this, you asked me to disprove it's inactivity when blue.
psilocin
4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine, a hallucinogenic substance found in some species of Psilocybe, Panaeolus, Conocybe, Gymnopilus, Inocybe, and Pluteus, giving a bluing reaction in the tissue of a mushroom as it breaks down
Psilocin is not a stable compound. It blues when it oxidises, leaving it inactive.
Do a search
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TM
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I still don't believe psylocin is completely inactive in a dried shroom. If it is, then the dosage calculator here needs to be re-programed to set psilocin content at 0% for a dried dose.
Regardless of all that, the original point that the bluer a shroom is, is generally a good indication of it's higher potency, still stands.
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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss.
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wrestler_az
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im told that your body breaks psilocybin down into psilocin anyway.....i may be wrong, correct me if need be...... but if thats the case, then the ratio would be irrelevent, right?
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Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM)
Edited by wrestler_az (08/28/02 12:44 PM)
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Re: bueing [Re: TM]
#849309 - 08/28/02 12:44 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: bueing [Re: ]
#849325 - 08/28/02 12:52 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Now, here's the structural diagram for psilocybin:
N
/ \ PSILOCYBIN
/ \
______/ \ C H N O P
/ / \ \ || 12 17 2 4
/ / \ \ ||
/ / \ \ || 4-OPO -DMT
\/ \/___|| C C 4
\________/ \ / \ /
\______/ \ / \ / 4-Phosphoryloxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine
\ \ / \ /
\ C N 1H-Indol-4-ol, 3-[2-(dimethylamino)-
\ (+) | ethyl] dihydrogen phosphate ester
O |
| C CAS #: 520-52-5
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O____P____O DEA #: 7437
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In the body, the phosphorus part is chopped off ("dephosphorylated") by the enzyme alkaline phosphatase, turning it into our other friend:
N PSILOCIN
/ \
/ \ C H N O
______/ \ 12 16 2
/ / \ \ ||
/ / \ \ || 4-OH-DMT
/ / \ \ ||
\/ \/___|| C C 4-Hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine
\________/ \ / \ /
\______/ \ / \ / 1H-Indol-4-ol, 3-[2-(dimethylamino)
\ \ / \ / ethyl]
\ C N
\ | CAS #: 520-53-6
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C DEA #: 7438
taken directly from the psilocybe mushroom faq at lycaeum.org
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Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM)
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wrestler_az
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well, the diagram got messed up, for some reason the spaces inbetween the symbols didnt copy, so it looks all jumbled together, but you get the idea..... thats what the faq says.....so, is it true? you say not......but this faq does...now i want to know.....lol does your body break psilocybin down to psilocin?
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Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM)
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TM
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Re: bueing [Re: ]
#849401 - 08/28/02 01:47 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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wrestler is correct, indeed it does.
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I'll probably always do drugs, so that just contributes to the addiction to The Shroomery... It's a vicious circle of bliss.
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wrestler_az
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lol.....two words i havent seen together in a long time.....wrestler and correct!! lol, even the losers get lucky some times ......
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Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM)
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mickey_rourke
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In reply to:
lol, even the losers get lucky some times
No, this is normal when you read the FAQ!!!!
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wrestler_az
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ya, but i like that song....
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Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM)
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