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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: HoleSnype]
#8458667 - 05/29/08 06:03 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here's another thought... How about a simple tub-in-tub FC so that my aq. heater can keep temp. constant and ideal but without all the wire stands and extra tub or tray in the FC itself?
The only problem with that that I can think of now is that the air holes would need to be fairly high on the FC walls to clear the water in the base tub. I would imagine constant or semi-constant air flow via the air pump would be sufficient to clear out the CO2?
I know plenty of you think that 70-75 is fine for all stages of growth, but my house is simply cooler than that and I have the tools necessary to get perfect conditions without slower growth or an astronomical gas bill, so why not use 'em? I'm just trying to refine the execution.
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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: nonlinear]
#8458672 - 05/29/08 06:05 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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nonlinear said: wow, those FCs look totally mid-90s LOL
Hehe, MS Paint at it's best right there... since Windows 3.1 baby!
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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: psg1]
#8458676 - 05/29/08 06:07 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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You could do that. You said your house is around 68 right? Like I said earlier, your FC will definately be warmer than your house. It would be in the 70's. You could definately do a double tub setup though.
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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: Jii]
#8458683 - 05/29/08 06:20 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jii said: That type of PMP works fine for me. I have not covered the whole geolite layer with water. There need to be a good amount of geolite above water level so that evaporation can get the RH up. I have been able to keep RH in upper 90's even though FAE is about 5x/h.
I also have ultrasonic handling most of my misting. It runs couple of times a day. I only mist manually when things seem to be on a dry side.
I am sure that there are other and better ways to do things, but this way seems to work for me. My setup wasn't the cheapest, but it is as maintenance free as I need it to be.
The ultrasonic probably helps a lot. You said it, you need lots of geolite/perlite above the water. The original PmP "TEK" calls for only 1" of exposed geolite, which sucks. A few years ago lots of people were having trouble with RH with the old PmP. I used the same basic idea, except had no standing water in my FC. I had about 3.5 or 4" of perlite and 2 bubble wands under. I alway had great results.
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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: HoleSnype]
#8459271 - 05/29/08 11:09 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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The original PmP "TEK" calls for only 1" of exposed geolite, which sucks. A few years ago lots of people were having trouble with RH with the old PmP. I used the same basic idea, except had no standing water in my FC. I had about 3.5 or 4" of perlite and 2 bubble wands under. I alway had great results.
OK, so I'm using lava rocks (or will use them, they are in the trunk of my car right now, I plan on putting them in my PmP later tonight.. 2 long airstones, 150 gal air pump, 96 qt rubbermaid)... my question is how much lava rock and how much water?
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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: malfunction556]
#8459571 - 05/29/08 12:51 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't have much experience with lava rock. I would say you need to have as much out of the water as possible without the upper rocks drying out. The only thing is, I am not sure if lava rock wicks up water like perlite does. Set it up well in advance so you can figure out how to get max RH. Are the rocks small like geolite?
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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: HoleSnype]
#8461366 - 05/29/08 08:23 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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HoleSnype said: The old version of the PmP sucks. Go with perlite, and don't fill it with water. Just rinse it and put the damp perlite in. When you cover perlite or geolite with water, it can't do it's job.
You might want to add some water/Hydrogen Peroxide mix to the perlite. That way you will cut down on your worrying about your RH. Just make sure that you keep the H2O/H2O2 mixture at least a 1/4"-1/2" below the surface of your perlite. The perlite will wick the liquid into that top (un-submerged) layer giving you your added surface area desired for evaporation. IMO...
I'm trying to work with you man, but that is absolute bullshit. Perlite works by expanding the water surface area exposed, which maintains high RH. You have a lot of reading to do my friend. If you have 4" of perlite, and 3-1/2" of it is under water, your RH is going to suck. You need to read, and find out what is going on before you start giving information. DON'T FUCK WITH PEOPLE'S GROWS unless you know what you are talking about. H202 has an extra oxygen molecule. How is it going to raise RH?
The first thing you need to do, is try to understand how perlite works. There isn't any secret science to it. Hell, the "Let's Grow Mushrooms" videos on youtube and it explains how perlite works. Each little piece is full of tiny holes and nooks, which hold water lots of water. When you have all of these pieces of perlite together, you have tons of water surface exposed to the air, which transpires into the air, creating/maintaining RH.
Don't be one of the assholes that post bad information. There is already enough of that shit flying around here.
H2O2 is to keep the water from getting rank man. Come on, it isn't rocket surgery. H2O2 dissolves proteins in the water. Germs are proteins. It's really the most basic of chemistry. H2O2 has nothing to do with maintaining your humidity. I'm actually a voracious reader, (that means I can't get enough of reading). I'm not very good with the computer is all. I excel, (that means I'm better than average), at everything else. You just have your diapers in a knot because I fucked up on reviving old threads. I figured it out now. Get over it.
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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: BrandNewbie]
#8461390 - 05/29/08 08:26 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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You said H202 would increase RH, which it won't. Plus, after you poor it in the water, it breaks down and releases the extra oxygen molecule and turns into regular H20.
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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: HoleSnype]
#8462629 - 05/30/08 03:27 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok, here's a rough draft of the TiT FC idea. It keeps standing water out of the FC itself, allowing for more room and lower contam risk while preserving the use of the aq. heater and without a silly bubbler making a racket. (This is an amalgamation of existing ideas. Credit where credit is due...)
FWIW, I built an TiT IC and it is keeping the air temp at a constant 82F (water temp set at 81F), so I think I may carry this principal over to the FC as well.
I can easily turn the temp up if need be. Anyone think 82F is too low for an IC?
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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: psg1]
#8462633 - 05/30/08 03:32 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would connect the airtube to bubblewand and place that under perlite.
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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: Jii]
#8462846 - 05/30/08 07:28 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jii said: I would connect the airtube to bubblewand and place that under perlite.
Cha-Ching!
Make sure you have a shit-ton of perlite. When you think you have enough, add another inch. There is no such thing as to high RH for cakes. I also suggest burring the bubble wand under the perlite, like this. It will not dry it out.
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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: HoleSnype]
#8464388 - 05/30/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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HoleSnype said: I don't have much experience with lava rock. I would say you need to have as much out of the water as possible without the upper rocks drying out. The only thing is, I am not sure if lava rock wicks up water like perlite does. Set it up well in advance so you can figure out how to get max RH. Are the rocks small like geolite?
Well, perlite is probably better, but I just don't like to use it, because I'm pretty clutzy and end up with a big mess. Yeah the pieces I picked are roughly marble sized. So, I got it all set up and am now getting RH in the 90s. Only problem is that I will need to turn this into a double tub to allow growth. I ended up using about 6in lava rock and 1.5 inches water. I may remove some rocks and water and see if I can keep the same humidity, so I can use a single tub. I think the addition of a double tub dome would screw with my RH levels. I love experimentation!
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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: malfunction556]
#8464404 - 05/30/08 04:43 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't take it down to much. Do you mist the sides of the FC? Believe it or not, keeping them misted helps out quite a bit. Try to get it as high as you can. For cakes, there is no such thing as to high. Looks like you got it under controll to. Let us know how it turns out bro.
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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: HoleSnype]
#8464417 - 05/30/08 04:48 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i agre with HolySnype about the standing water in the perlite and addition of h2o2, however there is such a thing as too high of humidity. if the humidity is too high, you will start getting snowy myc growth at the base of your fruits and sometimes on the cap if things are really overdone. this is a waste of resources and is gross to eat. carefully tune your humidity to produce the best fruits.
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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: HoleSnype]
#8464421 - 05/30/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks man, yeah I still have at least two weeks to get it right. My cakes aren't quite ready yet. I love the bubbling and trickling sound. Put me to sleep better that those 200 dollar babbling brook alarm clocks. Plus, I have a desk lamp above it on a 12hr on/off cycle that turns on at 8am to wake my ass up.
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