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Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome)
    #8450020 - 05/27/08 09:50 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

First, consider this a brainstorming session open to the public. Its more of an exercise in organizing my thoughts and ideas in order to clarify them further.

First off, my limitations are primarily time-related. Between eating, sleeping, working, and taking care of other various life chores, Im left with little time each day for terrarium care. Thus my desire for a semi-automated fruiting chamber that maintains an optimal environment with little maintenance.

My second concern is climate. My area is very dry and my home is a constant 68 degrees F. Rather than heating my entire home to accommodate this hobby, I would prefer to simply add supplemental heat to the FC itself.

My diagrams are largely self explanatory. Below each, you will find a brief description of what you are looking at.


Idea #1:


Idea #1 utilizes a wire stand (chicken wire?) that hold the cakes above a tray of some sort that has the bottom replaced with a mesh screen and filled with perlite. Water is added until the desired amount of perlite is submersed. Below the tray is a standard aquarium water heater with built-in thermostat to regulate temperature. Attached to the side of the FC is simply a hose from an air pump connected to a timer unit. Fresh air enters from above and exits via a few small holes just above the water line. Simple and relatively cheap.


Idea #2:


Same as above except a bubble wand (or two) is added next the the heater and the air holes are positioned on the top of the terrarium instead of the sides.


Idea #3:


A slightly different approach, idea #3 uses two tubs below a wire cake-holding stand. In one is water for heater immersion and added humidity and in the other is water and perlite. I suppose I wouldnt need a tub for the perlite as it could be placed directly on the floor of the chamber with water added for simplicity.


As indicated in the title, any and all comments are welcome, including those urging a less sophisticated approach. Keep in mind my limitations as well as the fact that I already have all of the materials shown (sans bubble wand) so they may as well be put to use.

Thank you for enduring through this silly post!

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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: psg1]
    #8450036 - 05/27/08 09:58 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

The inside of the fc will probably be a little warmer than the rest of your house. All of the water/heater in the bottom is a bad idea IMO. Plus, with an FC that big (to accomodate all the extra stuff) you are going to need a shit-load of perlite, and you won't be able to do that with a little tray. I would take everything out and make a PmP or shotgun FC.


All the ideas are not going to be effective in my opinion.


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8450049 - 05/27/08 10:05 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I would say the perlite is not needed :P if you in cold conditions and the heater is necessary it would also make the humidity which makes perlite unnecessary :P


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8450060 - 05/27/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Fair enough HS. I was also considering nixing the perlite and using water only plus a Teh-Fire-and-4get-Bubbleh-Humidifier to eliminated the whole tray thing...

I just think that getting the terrarium to 75-80F without artificial heat may prove difficult and time-consuming.


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: dstark]
    #8450066 - 05/27/08 10:11 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

LOL, good lucking getting a decent RH with a pool of water in your FC. You guys need to do lots of reading. You need perlite, and lots of it. The entire purpose of perlite is to expand the water surface area exposed which maintains a high RH. It is not the same thing as have a pool in the bottom of your FC.


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8450106 - 05/27/08 10:25 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Thought about it ^

I know that with perlite humidity will be much more then water pool ^^ XD


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8450247 - 05/27/08 11:24 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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LOL, good lucking getting a decent RH with a pool of water in your FC. You guys need to do lots of reading. You need perlite, and lots of it. The entire purpose of perlite is to expand the water surface area exposed which maintains a high RH. It is not the same thing as have a pool in the bottom of your FC.




Heehee! I hear ya, but I'm still left with the temp. issue using perlite only. Any ideas on how to incorporate the aq. heater into the picture?


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: psg1]
    #8450654 - 05/27/08 01:46 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

You really dont need any form of heating as long as ambient temp is low to mid 70's...

Room temp will work fine for all stages of growth.


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: Bubba McMushies]
    #8453029 - 05/27/08 10:40 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Bubba McMushies said:

Room temp will work fine for all stages of growth.


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: Blutjager]
    #8453442 - 05/28/08 12:30 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Umm, i'm about to ask this in the main forum, but i have a suggestion for you.

For six summer(ish) months my house is perfectly temperate for fungi growth; however for the winter months which we've just entered in australia, the coastal breezes and brick walls blow and suck all the warmth out of my house even on warm days, so im looking to warm my FC since im not getting any pins.

SO...

For heating reptile enclosures they sell 'heating ropes' which are insulated heating wire for lining underneath reptile substrate.

I'm not SURE on safety, but i assume since it is insulated and you can use it underneath reptiles' substrate, that you could line UNDERNEATH your perlite with this heating rope, hopefully increasing the warmth and thus the humidification potential of your perlite too. Also available - Heating 'rocks'.

Good luck!

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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: psg1]
    #8454007 - 05/28/08 05:21 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/1303334/an/0/page/0
I have been using PMP for few months now, works like a dream.


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: psg1]
    #8454028 - 05/28/08 05:39 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I guess you could use aquarium heater with PMP,
just be sure to have deeper geolite layer and
place the heater in the middle. Otherwise you might
have a fire hazard.

I also think that you should be fine with temps around +70F
in all stages of your cultivation.


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: Jii]
    #8455111 - 05/28/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Geolite hmm??? But I've already got this big 'ol bag of perlite! :wink:


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: psg1]
    #8455877 - 05/28/08 04:07 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

The old version of the PmP sucks. Go with perlite, and don't fill it with water. Just rinse it and put the damp perlite in. When you cover perlite or geolite with water, it can't do it's job.


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8456216 - 05/28/08 05:23 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

wow, those FCs look totally mid-90s LOL

umm, if you want something simple that works great, just use RR's shotgun tek. by far the cheapest and most effective FC for what you're trying to do.


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8458336 - 05/29/08 01:29 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

That type of PMP works fine for me.
I have not covered the whole geolite layer with water.
There need to be a good amount of geolite above water
level so that evaporation can get the RH up.
I have been able to keep RH in upper 90's even though
FAE is about 5x/h.

I also have ultrasonic handling most of my misting.
It runs couple of times a day. I only mist manually
when things seem to be on a dry side.

I am sure that there are other and better
ways to do things, but this way seems to work for me.
My setup wasn't the cheapest, but it is as maintenance
free as I need it to be.


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: HoleSnype]
    #8458415 - 05/29/08 02:22 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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The old version of the PmP sucks. Go with perlite, and don't fill it with water. Just rinse it and put the damp perlite in. When you cover perlite or geolite with water, it can't do it's job.




You might want to add some water/Hydrogen Peroxide mix to the perlite. That way you will cut down on your worrying about your RH. Just make sure that you keep the H2O/H2O2 mixture at least a 1/4"-1/2" below the surface of your perlite. The perlite will wick the liquid into that top (un-submerged) layer giving you your added surface area desired for evaporation. IMO...


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: BrandNewbie]
    #8458506 - 05/29/08 03:40 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

How would H2O2 help with RH?
I don't get it.


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: dstark]
    #8458591 - 05/29/08 05:11 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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I would say the perlite is not needed :P if you in cold conditions and the heater is necessary it would also make the humidity which makes perlite unnecessary :P




heat won't help add humidity. it is called relative humidity (rH) because it is relative to temperature; if you raise the temperature, you lower the rH.


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Re: Some FC ideas with diagrams (any comments welcome) [Re: BrandNewbie]
    #8458656 - 05/29/08 05:54 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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The old version of the PmP sucks. Go with perlite, and don't fill it with water. Just rinse it and put the damp perlite in. When you cover perlite or geolite with water, it can't do it's job.




You might want to add some water/Hydrogen Peroxide mix to the perlite. That way you will cut down on your worrying about your RH. Just make sure that you keep the H2O/H2O2 mixture at least a 1/4"-1/2" below the surface of your perlite. The perlite will wick the liquid into that top (un-submerged) layer giving you your added surface area desired for evaporation. IMO...




I'm trying to work with you man, but that is absolute bullshit. Perlite works by expanding the water surface area exposed, which maintains high RH. You have a lot of reading to do my friend. If you have 4" of perlite, and 3-1/2" of it is under water, your RH is going to suck. You need to read, and find out what is going on before you start giving information. DON'T FUCK WITH PEOPLE'S GROWS unless you know what you are talking about. H202 has an extra oxygen molecule. How is it going to raise RH?

The first thing you need to do, is try to understand how perlite works. There isn't any secret science to it. Hell, the "Let's Grow Mushrooms" videos on youtube and it explains how perlite works. Each little piece is full of tiny holes and nooks, which hold water lots of water. When you have all of these pieces of perlite together, you have tons of water surface exposed to the air, which transpires into the air, creating/maintaining RH.

Don't be one of the assholes that post bad information. There is already enough of that shit flying around here.


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