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Wasting Death/ Wasting life.
    #8446124 - 05/26/08 07:45 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Not that one death is ultimately worth more than another.

But my point here is personal. I watched a movie yesterday about a guy slowly losing his cognitive abilities to old age and finally dying in a nursing home.

What a waste, to die remembering nothing, confused, feeble, scared, lonely, ill. This is the fear choice of most of America now. Death could be an important time in our experience a chance to do some important reflection and review. What a waste of all that was important to oneself in life.

Or maybe the fact is that we cop out on ourselves long before this happens and so it's the Inevitable outcome. How very ugly.


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: Icelander]
    #8446132 - 05/26/08 07:49 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

yeah


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: Icelander]
    #8446229 - 05/26/08 08:54 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

thanks be that we have the choice to end our lives whenever we feel necessary as to avoid horrid outcomes such as that


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: Icelander]
    #8446295 - 05/26/08 09:28 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Self identity is illusive, subject to impermanence and decay, just like everything else. To mourn the loss of self identity is futile. Thats life, it happens.


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: badreligion2good]
    #8446324 - 05/26/08 09:42 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Of course but for myself I would like to leave being aware of myself for the last time and without drool running down my face and shit piled up in my depends.:shrug: but that's just me.


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: Icelander]
    #8446372 - 05/26/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ive had this fear aswell, dying completely mentally disabled, oblivious to even having had an existence or that death is happening.

This is what forces me to awaken now, to not be one of the many who only on they're deathbeds question existence (or are so mentally fkd they cant even question it) why wait until then? Find out now.

Die now and then fear of death just dissolves (although i bet if someone put a gun to my head right now id be on my knees begging for mercy!)

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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: Tantradvaita]
    #8446388 - 05/26/08 10:17 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Fear never leaves us IMO. I hope I am able to make the choice to check myself out when the time comes. I think it's something you have to work on over many years.


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: Icelander]
    #8446397 - 05/26/08 10:23 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I always wanted at the very end to rent a hot sports car from Century City car rental and go off a ciff somewhere up off highway 1 at 160 mph. Very consciously. The only problem though is that shit happens at that speed. It would suck to take someone with you.

But you might as well go out on your own terms.


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: eve69]
    #8446414 - 05/26/08 10:32 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I used to think id rather die by my own hands rather than at the hands of another, but then realised theyre both the same thing so why worry :shrug:

Its all life killing life, life making life, life living life, i feel as if i have no control to be totally honest, even if i decided to kill myself now that would still be as the result of past conditions that brought me to here to suicide, there would be no "me" in control of it.

Damn i want to trip soon

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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: Tantradvaita]
    #8446510 - 05/26/08 11:06 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I used to think id rather die by my own hands rather than at the hands of another, but then realised theyre both the same thing so why worry :shrug:

Its all life killing life, life making life, life living life, i feel as if i have no control to be totally honest, even if i decided to kill myself now that would still be as the result of past conditions that brought me to here to suicide, there would be no "me" in control of it.

Damn i want to trip soon

:mushroom2:




I think this is correct.


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: Icelander]
    #8446614 - 05/26/08 11:54 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Tantradvaita said:
I used to think id rather die by my own hands rather than at the hands of another, but then realised theyre both the same thing so why worry :shrug:

Its all life killing life, life making life, life living life, i feel as if i have no control to be totally honest, even if i decided to kill myself now that would still be as the result of past conditions that brought me to here to suicide, there would be no "me" in control of it.

Damn i want to trip soon

:mushroom2:




I think this is correct.




by this testament, "you" are never in control of your actions


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: demiu5]
    #8446732 - 05/26/08 12:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ultimately no. But we have the illusion of control because often what we choose happens to happen. But think of this. You choose to reach for a glass of water and someone puts a bullet in your brain from across the street.:lol:


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: Icelander]
    #8446755 - 05/26/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

two things happen:

you were either reaching for the glass and someone shot you

or you never were reaching for the glass because someone shot you before the action was carried out


this still does not mean one does not have control over their actions. it may, however, reveal that one does not have control of their intentions


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: demiu5]
    #8447122 - 05/26/08 02:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You're splitting hairs. And actually in certain neurological disorders one does not have control of their actions. They may intend something but the body doesn't carry it out.


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: Icelander]
    #8447265 - 05/26/08 03:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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You're splitting hairs. And actually in certain neurological disorders one does not have control of their actions. They may intend something but the body doesn't carry it out.




Links to refrences? Not calling you out or nothin'; Just I have intrest in Neuro disorders.


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: Icelander]
    #8447551 - 05/26/08 04:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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You're splitting hairs. And actually in certain neurological disorders one does not have control of their actions. They may intend something but the body doesn't carry it out.





it's funny that you wait until after i made my last post to even bring up the possibility of neuro disorders in the scenario you presented. and i wouldn't call it splitting hairs so much as that's how it is.


also, rabies is the perfect example of what you're talking about. same for certain insects that are infected with cordyceps militaris


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: demiu5]
    #8450315 - 05/27/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

it's funny

:lol::rofl2::thumbup:


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: Icelander]
    #8450379 - 05/27/08 12:23 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Of course but for myself I would like to leave being aware of myself for the last time and without drool running down my face and shit piled up in my depends.:shrug: but that's just me.




The problem is: you forget that yesterday you were determined to end it all.

Seriously, it takes real awareness to deem that you are losing awareness. And if you are still that cognizant, you will unlikely make a decision towards suicide.

It is a Catch 22.


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8450920 - 05/27/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

True, IMO you have to get a jump on things and look for other markers to make a determination on. I'm working on this as we speak.:thumbup:


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Re: Wasting Death/ Wasting life. [Re: Icelander]
    #8450929 - 05/27/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, the frog might be boiled by the time you notice the gradual changes, so I think it is important to have a clear idea of what constitutes a "quality" experience of being alive. I was so inspired by Scott Nearing's decision to let go of life once he could no longer live according to his values. Too many people cling to surviving without questioning what they want to live for.

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