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Re: Phosphate addition [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #844944 - 08/26/02 06:28 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Wimp! Answer the question. Nevermind, I'll do it for you...

mickey was stoned when he suggested battery acid as a source and just didn't think of the simple method of using potato juice (which also happens to be the key ingredient in potato dextrose agar).


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Re: Phosphate addition [Re: TM]
    #844949 - 08/26/02 06:33 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

In reply to:

mickey was stoned when he suggested battery acid as a source and just didn't think of the simple method of using potato juice (which also happens to be the key ingredient in potato dextrose agar).


The truth of the matter is that pure phosphoric acid would be preferable (compared to potato juice) in relation to the original post. Potatos are certainly not a good source for pure phosphoric acid. If using potato juice, how would you measure the concentration? Go ahead and post again. I know you can't resist having the last word.


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Re: Phosphate addition [Re: TM]
    #844955 - 08/26/02 06:35 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Has anyone actually tried this? If so, what were the results? With all of these potency questions and no real answers, it looks like we need to figure out how to test for psilocybin content ... other than the occasional "yeah man, they really f*cked me up!"

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Re: Phosphate addition [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #845632 - 08/27/02 03:37 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

first and foremost,
batteries contain SULFURIC acid,
not hydrochloric nor phosphoric.
and phosphoric acid is a very mild acid,
safe to use, widely sold and use to
remove hard mineral build-up on bathroom tiles.
i got a gallon of it at home depot for a couple bucks,
it's neither rare nor expensive..


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Re: Phosphate addition [Re: Hippie3]
    #845903 - 08/27/02 06:01 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

yep hip is right. sulphuric in batteries.
phosphoric acid is in coca cola. you should get it in hardware stores (ive never looked) it is also used to clean up welds and metal stains. a local car garage may have some in use and may sell you some


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Re: Phosphate addition [Re: EvilGir]
    #845984 - 08/27/02 06:36 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

If you can get tryptamine hydrochloride, you should have no problem getting H3PO4. Maybe that's not your intention, but the link you provided just points to that.


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Re: Phosphate addition [Re: cheesenoonions]
    #846609 - 08/27/02 11:57 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

In reply to:

Has anyone actually tried this? If so, what were the results? With all of these potency questions and no real answers, it looks like we need to figure out how to test for psilocybin content ... other than the occasional "yeah man, they really f*cked me up!"





Well the main idea of the post was to find a source of phosphate so I could increase the psilocybin which i beleive is the most visual chemicle of the two.
This could be inteperated in Psilocybin Mushrooms of the world on page 40 that liberty caps(semilanceata) contain more Psilocybin than psilocin where as cubes contain equal amounts but less. So instead of trying to come up with a super shroom it would be better to increase on of the two chemicals (Psilocybin).

The reason why i want to do this is because no matter how many cubes I have munched on I have never had any type of visual experience like i have had on Liberty caps, They just seem totaly week. You could say eat more but how much more the most i have had of cubes is about 30g wet and this trip was say level 2.
I have so far tried two diffrent strains of cube shrooms, now starting on my third(Cambodia) with equal results. I just want some cool visuals not much to ask.

If this experiment was to be carried out then someone with a lab would need to do the chemical analysis.

This could be done by chemical extraction of the chemicals using the DMT techniques only in an inert atmosphere say like argon. This would stop or reduce
decomposition of the chemicals. Next to separate the extracted material you would have to be put through a chromatography and the substances could be collected from there positions on the chromagtoraphy by there published results. Then simply weigh them using a scale to the 0.001g. And to quickly ensure the material is what you think it is run it through a mass spectoraphy.
This needs a some expensive lab equipment.


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Re: Phosphate addition [Re: EvilGir]
    #846668 - 08/27/02 12:19 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

In reply to:

i have had of cubes is about 30g wet and this trip was say level 2.


The easiest thing to do would be to eat about 50-60g wet..


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Re: Phosphate addition [Re: EvilGir]
    #846852 - 08/27/02 01:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

ok, first I think (and i may be wrong) you have the main idea of that post wrong. Adding tryptamine HCL to your substrate is suppose to increase the levels of psylocin in your shrooms, but not much for psylocibin. The link is saying that it is because of the lack of phosphorous in the substrate. So in order to do what the link is saying, you would need tryptamine hydrochloride, which is a list one chemical and you may not be able to get that. Infact if you are having difficulty getting H3PO4, forget even trying to get it. i wouldn't even try getting it in Mexico right now w/ the Sept. 11 stuff.


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Re: Phosphate addition [Re: cheesenoonions]
    #847174 - 08/27/02 04:27 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Looking back on the original post you could be right. But still it could be worth investigating some type of addition on a normal PF substrate. Cos I dont think any one here has actualy tried any addition of phosphate and it would be intresting to see if, any results. I have found one possible source of Phosphate which is Sanatogen they are only two ingredient i: Glycerophosphated Casein, Emulsifier (Glyceryl Mono-oleate). Anyone know if this will make any diffrence or not ?
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Re: Phosphate addition [Re: EvilGir]
    #847557 - 08/27/02 07:20 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

It's less work to just eat more. If you want something stronger, try Pan cyans.

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Re: Phosphate addition [Re: EvilGir]
    #847793 - 08/27/02 08:41 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i may be wrong on this, so correct me if im wrong......but doesnt your body break psilocybin down to psilocin anyway? so the ratio really wouldnt be that significant anyway......right?


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Re: Phosphate addition [Re: wrestler_az]
    #848930 - 08/28/02 11:34 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I have got some Pan cyans that i bought 4 month ago, but cant get the rye grain at the moment or the auto calve bags. There is also the fact of getting the dung.
Guess i will either have to start takeing the shrooms with a good dose of MAOI.
Even simpler still its soon shroom season and there will be lots of liberty caps


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Re: Phosphate addition [Re: wrestler_az]
    #850333 - 08/29/02 03:45 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

did you read that somewhere. Pst a link.


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Re: Phosphate addition [Re: cheesenoonions]
    #850945 - 08/29/02 11:39 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Now, here's the structural diagram for psilocybin:


N
/ \ PSILOCYBIN
/ \
______/ \ C H N O P
/ / \ \ || 12 17 2 4
/ / \ \ ||
/ / \ \ || 4-OPO -DMT
\/ \/___|| C C 4
\________/ \ / \ /
\______/ \ / \ / 4-Phosphoryloxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine
\ \ / \ /
\ C N 1H-Indol-4-ol, 3-[2-(dimethylamino)-
\ (+) | ethyl] dihydrogen phosphate ester
O |
| C CAS #: 520-52-5
____| (-)
O____P____O DEA #: 7437
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|
O

In the body, the phosphorus part is chopped off ("dephosphorylated") by the enzyme alkaline phosphatase, turning it into our other friend:


N PSILOCIN
/ \
/ \ C H N O
______/ \ 12 16 2
/ / \ \ ||
/ / \ \ || 4-OH-DMT
/ / \ \ ||
\/ \/___|| C C 4-Hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine
\________/ \ / \ /
\______/ \ / \ / 1H-Indol-4-ol, 3-[2-(dimethylamino)
\ \ / \ / ethyl]
\ C N
\ | CAS #: 520-53-6
O |
C DEA #: 7438

http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Plants/shrooms/MMFAQ.html

the symbols got all bunched together cuz it would not copy the spaces inbetween, but you get the idea....


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