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CureCat
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: inski]
#8451495 - 05/27/08 05:36 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorry for derailing the thread Inski!
Back to business. I asked if they dropped spores, abut clearly they do, based on the deposits on the stipe. So that nix the chance of them being secotioid.
So maybe they are just a weird strain of Ps. subaeruginosa after all. It'd be good to get a sequence of them. Can you send a small piece to the states maybe?? If not to me, maybe to a legit lab? If not, well damn, If so, then we'll have to talk about all your other unknown collections.
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: CureCat]
#8451513 - 05/27/08 05:39 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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still finding actives in the bay area this late in the year!? thats awesome. they must be near sprinklers and shade. they look hearty and stumpy like friscosas.
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CureCat
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: Quankus]
#8451717 - 05/27/08 06:34 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Naw, Inski found those in NZ.
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: CureCat]
#8451731 - 05/27/08 06:38 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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A weird strain of Ps. Subaeruginosa, now that is interesting. I'm going to be following the thread closely. Thanks all.
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: CureCat]
#8453545 - 05/28/08 01:10 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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CureCat said: Naw, Inski found those in NZ.
ah that makes much more sense. i don't know why i assumed they were bay area.
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inski
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: CureCat]
#8453625 - 05/28/08 01:38 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Edited by inski (09/15/11 12:06 AM)
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: inski]
#8453637 - 05/28/08 01:45 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I did notice the similarities to Psilocybe subaeruginosa when viewing the microscopic features but also noted some differences in the shape of the cheilocystidia, there were some forms of cystidia viewed in these that I could not find in the Ps. subaeruginosa specimens that I viewed
With the obvious macroscopic differences and different cheilocystidia, this is definitely a new species.
Write it up and submit it to mycotaxon.
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wisp
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This is fascinating. Great find inski!
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: wisp]
#8454040 - 05/28/08 05:53 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah good investigating inski. Calling them a subaeruginosa mutation was starting to make me feel uncomfortable.. I mean, they just look like they have a different soul. Can't explain it better than that.
Um I'm sure it would be brash to jump to the conclusion that they're a new species though... I mean a new or native species is hardly likely to jump out of a garden chipped with an exotic wood variety.. are there any other species they could be? At first glance they had a passing resemblance to some other pics of psilocybes I've seen.. if I could just remember where...
But then I also don't understand why Ps aucklandii, a supposedly native species, only grows in pine forest... though somebody could prove me wrong there...
And finally I doubt that weraroa NZ would ever forcefully eject spores, the pouches that are open are the exception, not the rule... plus i tried printing about 20 of them once and got nada
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: haunted]
#8454864 - 05/28/08 10:42 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Um I'm sure it would be brash to jump to the conclusion that they're a new species though...
More study is needed. They should be grown from spores under normal conditions to see if the unusual look is consistant. Also some more microscopic study of different populations to get a clearer idea of the various differences and ways they are not different.
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I mean a new or native species is hardly likely to jump out of a garden chipped with an exotic wood variety..
Rare and unknown species escape from nature into manmade environments from time to time. Psilocybe weilii just showed up in Georgia after hurricane Opal went through in 1995 and those potted plant Psilocybes also just showed up.
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are there any other species they could be? At first glance they had a passing resemblance to some other pics of psilocybes I've seen.. if I could just remember where...
I have seen mycologists answer this question by taking all the microscopic features from a monograph on a genus and putting it into an excel spreadsheet. They can then measure the spores and sort the spreadsheet by spore size, so instead of having to look through the whole monograph they have a small list of species that match microscopically, then they check the macroscopic features and arrive at a match or definitive lack thereof.
Has anyone done this with The Genus Psilocybe?
Anyone up for some data entry?
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inski
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: inski]
#8572707 - 06/27/08 10:04 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Edited by inski (09/15/11 12:06 AM)
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: inski]
#8573083 - 06/28/08 12:36 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice pics, they are such an unusual looking mushroom. Has anyone looked further into identifying it properly, or writing it up to Mycotaxon?
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: wisp]
#8573106 - 06/28/08 12:43 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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got any pics of oxidation?
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: inski]
#8691431 - 07/28/08 07:19 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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hey all, sorry to dredge up an oldish thread but I've recently been finding a few of these mushrooms also -- growing in woodchip outside the local "big red shed", perversely enough so the distribution of them must be fairly widespread but I've sure as hell never seen them before and nor has anyone else I've shown them to (which has been just about every shroomer I know )
trying to get them going on cardboard right now, seems to be colonising although I didn't have much to work with
they are active if there was ever any doubt
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: Pynchon]
#8691443 - 07/28/08 07:27 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you have any photos?
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Pynchon
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: CureCat]
#8691470 - 07/28/08 07:42 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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sorry, no camera or phone I have the mushrooms frozen so I can probably still get decent pics if I borrow one but I'm sure they're the same mushrooms as inskis
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: Pynchon]
#8692038 - 07/28/08 11:52 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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frozen?
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notorius gib
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: Hotnuts]
#8692117 - 07/28/08 12:09 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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not galllerina holmes....psilocybe for sure...look at all the bluing silky white stems, etc.
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: Pynchon]
#8692603 - 07/28/08 02:16 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pynchon said: sorry, no camera or phone I have the mushrooms frozen so I can probably still get decent pics if I borrow one but I'm sure they're the same mushrooms as inskis
Why in the name of Mike Tyson would you freeze a psilocybe?!?! D:
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Re: Unusual Psilocybe species! [Re: Drewwyann]
#8692748 - 07/28/08 03:04 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Again a very cool find Inski! They look very mysterious even if they weren't Ps.
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