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 Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? 
#8425958 - 05/20/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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 Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: LayYouIn]
#8425969 - 05/20/08 08:51 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: LayYouIn]
#8425992 - 05/20/08 08:55 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think so, yes.
But we are strong enough already that we can take the weak genes. 
Come Armageddon and 90% of the population is dead, well that is a different story.
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: Tangerines]
#8426050 - 05/20/08 09:12 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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We've compensated for a lack of genetic diversity and increasing evolutionary unfitness with technology.
No claws, no fur, laughable teeth, we're no longer built to survive on this planet.
But we've got the opposable thumb and the neocortex, hence, the ability to adapt without having to wait for the slow hands of evolutionary time to swing around.
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: Tangerines]
#8426055 - 05/20/08 09:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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weak genes could prove to be resistant to other types of viruses, diseases, they could even lead to beneficial mutations provided the environment was right
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: woohoo1000]
#8426058 - 05/20/08 09:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can't beat evolution.
Humans will still be naturally selected. We just haven't reached the tipping point yet.
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: LayYouIn]
#8426067 - 05/20/08 09:14 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fun fact: Geneticism will become a social issue within 5 years or so
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#8426161 - 05/20/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think the Spartans had a good theory but went about it the wrong way.
While I think everyone should have the right to procreate, I don't think they have the right to have 6 kids as dumb as them.
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: ClashingTaco]
#8426243 - 05/20/08 09:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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ever seen idiocracy?
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
#8426297 - 05/20/08 10:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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it's inevitable "in a society whose advances are limited to its technology" ~ JTHM
all you guys need to respect the fact that us blond hair, blue eyed niggaz gotta stick together. 
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: LayYouIn]
#8426301 - 05/20/08 10:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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This reminds me of this one part in the movie Igby goes down, where they are smokin' a doobie:
"Basically, it's like reverse Darwinism.
A situation in which
a less evolved species...
...is better equipped to survive
than a more evolved creature.
Which, if you think about it,
isn't really reverse Darwinism, so much as...
...bigger-picture Darwinism, if you will."
LOL
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: thePatient]
#8426307 - 05/20/08 10:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: LayYouIn]
#8426322 - 05/20/08 10:14 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know how much that would hurt society. But it seems to me that the people with undesirable genetics usually procreate with other people with undesirable genetics.
Fat people tend to have sex with fat people
ugly people tend to have sex with ugly people
midgets tend to have sex with midgets
stupid or uneducated people tend to have sex with stupid or uneducated people.
These trends are not absolute and will probably not lead to any branching off and splitting up into separate species. But that would be really interesting.
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: BoneMan]
#8426340 - 05/20/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Exactly what idocracy is about 
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: 0kehSt0nr]
#8426482 - 05/20/08 10:53 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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This poll is an interesting question but it really is hard to interpret or answer given that the statement that society "protects weak genes" isn't explained.
What are you talking about exactly? What are the weak genes and how does society protect them?
I guess I'd say that presuming you mean things like disease and such that it isn't a weak gene in the darwinian sense and so the question is moot unless you care to define what a week gene is if its not something related to species survival and propogation.
And I can't think of any "protections" off the top of my head that don't benifit strong and weak phenotypes alike, except for maybe aide to retarded people, but then this begs the question of what a weak gene is in the first place.
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Fat people tend to have sex with fat people
ugly people tend to have sex with ugly people
midgets tend to have sex with midgets
stupid or uneducated people tend to have sex with stupid or uneducated people.
yeah, exactly why I don't see how the premises of the original question are clear. All these traits appear to have nothing to do w/ species survival, and so I wonder what is meant by weak genes and helping them.
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: johnm214]
#8426514 - 05/20/08 11:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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that instead of being killed off by predators, the weak are protected by the strong
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: johnm214]
#8426528 - 05/20/08 11:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Weak genes is a matter of perspective depending on the environment. Heterozygous for sickle cell is technically a "stronger" gene for people that live in areas with malaria and not advantageous if living in areas with no malaria. Homozygous recessive for sickle cell is a disadvantage in areas with malaria. So if malaria spreads to an area with no heterozygous people then that community will go fucking extinct.
So basically all that shit about "strong genes" or "good genes" is bullshit. If and when the environment changes those organisms with that specific genetic make up will go fucking extinct EVEN if they were the organism with the so called "good genes". PEACE.
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: downforpot]
#8426540 - 05/20/08 11:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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DFP's got a point, in the short term, we may see that society is weaker for it's practices, but in the long term, SOMETHING is going to happen to kill of a large portion of the population, and we're not sure what exactly this force is going to select for. Hint: it's not necesarilly going to be the Olympian sex god with an IQ of 180.
So it does eventually help us by expanding the gene pool. Sucks the big one for now though.
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: johnm214]
#8426562 - 05/20/08 11:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
johnm214 said:
What are you talking about exactly? What are the weak genes and how does society protect them?
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Fat people tend to have sex with fat people
ugly people tend to have sex with ugly people
midgets tend to have sex with midgets
stupid or uneducated people tend to have sex with stupid or uneducated people.
All these traits appear to have nothing to do w/ species survival, and so I wonder what is meant by weak genes and helping them.
I interpreted the idea of society protecting weak genes in a couple of ways. First being the fact that we have so much technology and infrastructure that keep us warm, and bring us water. We have cars to bring us to get food and clothing at stores where the goods have been brought in from all over the world. We don't have to find our own water, grow and hunt, etc. People who would never survive out in the wilds of nature are able to live very well in modern society.
Upon a situation where all of these systems failed and our essentials were cut off then we would have to do all that on our own. Our current way of survival is the ability to make money. When money stops having worth then our true survivability is put to the test.
Obese people, diseased or very frail and weak people would not be able to obtain (for themselves) all the things we need to survive. And the physically and mentally disabled, or just plain stupid people would also have a hard time getting by.
The other way I interpreted "society protecting weak genes" is the fact that people with undesirable physical and psychological characteristics (for whatever reason) are able to find a mate and possibly to have children. Their kids will also have undesirable characteristics, and will probably find another undesirable to have as a mate. The genes for those undesirable characteristics are perpetuated and blended with others.
That doesn't necessarily make those people any less resilient in the face of disease and other survival factors. The genes will certainly be diverse since the gene pool for undesirable people is extremely massive. I guess it just condemns most of them to have to take someone unattractive as a lover.
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Re: Does society hurt our species by protecting the weak genes? [Re: BoneMan]
#8426658 - 05/20/08 11:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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i said, a little.
genes don't really matter so much anymore though, its alot more important about how you're raised.
you can have shitty genes, and if raised properly can still have a good life and give alot back to society.
you can have great genes and if raised improperly still have a really shitty life and give nothing back.
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