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Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup!
    #8422785 - 05/20/08 12:31 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

So before anyone starts insulting AMD or Intel, let me just say that I know the performance ratios between the two, I know all that so I don't really want to hear anyone telling me I made a crappy choice by getting AMD.

I finally put this system together:
Lian Li V2000B Full tower
650watt Silverstone Zeus quad-rail PSU
9850BE AMD Phenom (OC'd)
MSI K9A2 Platinum Bios V1.3 Motherboard w/ 790FX chipset
4gb (2x2gb) OCZ Platinum PC8500 1066MHz (DC) RAM
Dual Asus TOP EAH3870 512mb DDR4 videocards in Crossfire. (1024mb 2x GPUs total)
Soundblaster X-Fi Xtreme soundcard (PCI)
160gb+750gb+750gb (1.52TB) Western Digital HDDs
Asus 20x DVD-ROM RAM burner w/ all sorts of features.

Here are some shots of the system in the giant case:




I'm a bit new to the Hypertransport thing, so I'll mess around with that and keep you up to date on how fast I can get this, currently it's Overclocked to 3.0GHz x 4 cores.

I want to do watercooling eventually, Crossfire generates a lot of heat.

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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: Maverick]
    #8422836 - 05/20/08 12:55 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Damn dude, thats some nice hardware. How much did all that shit cost?


I have parts for a new HTPC due in on Wed. Cost me about 600. I went with AMD as well.

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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: DieCommie]
    #8422859 - 05/20/08 01:03 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

looks like it could bend time if you ask me i know alot about coumputers but you lost me at SO


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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: Maverick]
    #8423169 - 05/20/08 04:27 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

> I want to do watercooling eventually, Crossfire generates a lot of heat.

I'd start with cable management. What a mess! Clean up those cables so that you cannot see anything and you will drop a degree or two.

What do you think of the case? I've been thinking about that one, mainly because it will fit radiators in the bottom, it is aluminum (steel cases turn into piles of rust overnight where I live), and it is light (heavy cases cost more than the case to ship where I live).


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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: Seuss]
    #8423476 - 05/20/08 09:05 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

nice case

I have the same case and the s-80

cable management is a pretty big thing for cooling.. specially in hotter rigs... my water cooled tower I don't really care about in terms of cable management but it is a big issue.

if you go water with that kind of case I suggest getting a 77 bonville heatercore and a weapon enclossure. if you go on xtremesystems you could find one for sale you just need 100posts to get into the for sale section.

cable management with the larger lian li cases is really easy too... I know someone with 3 water cooling loops (gpu x 2 on one loop,cpu on another, chipset and ram on another)and 2 power supplies not including his pelter power supplies whose case is arguably less clutter and for sure more organized. (than both of ours :P)

it's like a monotub set it and forget it.


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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: flavoraid]
    #8423714 - 05/20/08 10:42 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

cables look pretty good to me :shrug:

I mean back in the day it was easy to clean your shit up, but with multiple motherboard power cables, supplimental powered graphics cards, and tons of case fans its kinda hard. Some people are just ninja at that shit, but mav's looks fucking clean compared to mine and i tried the best I could


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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: tak]
    #8423840 - 05/20/08 11:22 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

> cables look pretty good to me :shrug:

If you can see them, then they are obstructing air flow.  With that case, he has plenty of room on the back side of the tray to run cables.  Of course, I'm the type that will build custom cables that are the proper length and void the warranty on my power supply.

A lot depends upon the motherboard as well.  If the connectors are in the middle of the board, rather than along the edges, it makes it much more difficult to keep clean.

How does the V2000 chassis compare to the SilverStone TJ07?  I still think the TJ07 is one of the best cases ever produced.


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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: Seuss]
    #8423881 - 05/20/08 11:39 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

soldam xr-1 black knight > all

maybe not if you go water or phase.

but for a air cooled case it's insane.


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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: Seuss]
    #8424017 - 05/20/08 12:25 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

They're on the same level, but I'd take the V2000B over the silverstone just because the board is flipped upside down almost like BTX format, and it's a little bigger. Both are solid solid cases.

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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: Maverick]
    #8424141 - 05/20/08 01:14 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I like my s-80 a lot more than the v2000b

I have both.

I'm going to get a soldam case.. which is basically the best air cooled case... lian li tried to steal the concept for the s-80 but failed.. s-80 is still amazing and costs like 300-500$ less. (I paid around 85ea for 3 -- some site had the price mislabeled during the busy xmas shopping time so I bought all 3)


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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: flavoraid]
    #8424233 - 05/20/08 01:54 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

the s-80's a nice lian li case.  The only reason I went with such a large case is because I plan on doing watercooling soon. :smile:

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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: Maverick]
    #8424987 - 05/20/08 05:34 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

How much did that setup cost?


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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: Maverick]
    #8425060 - 05/20/08 05:53 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

DRTMaverick said:
the s-80's a nice lian li case.  The only reason I went with such a large case is because I plan on doing watercooling soon. :smile:




they're not a lot different in size both are full towers

how big is yours? i lent my bro my 2000b.. the s-80 could be water cooled easily.


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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: flavoraid]
    #8426309 - 05/20/08 10:11 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I was planning on building a watercooling box with a V350, it'll have the radiator, the external LCD temp display etc, and maybe even a phase change unit that'll cool the water itself. I'll have that so I can disconnect it and reconnect it to new rigs w/o any hassle.

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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: Maverick]
    #8426746 - 05/21/08 12:15 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

phase cooling in appose to a reservoir chiller type deal is retarded

so you would basically want a phase unit chilling the loop....

if anything you'd be better off just phase cooling your cpu, having your gpus on a water loop.

people on xs will say the same thing.

i have a single stage i'm debating about modifying into the bottom of my 2000b ... chill boxes aren't very hard to make either I think drewmeister on xs/extremesystems has a good write up on doing that using a 5700btu ac unit (im guessing the number)

basically you remove all the air from a cooler and chill it to whatever temperature you want.. you dont need to worry about condensation because theres no air.

that or a quad cascade to get like 110-c under load but the cost to make one is like 2grand and it's a huge project.

i know people who have modified astek standalone chillers for their smoothwall routers and shit >.<

just don't waste your money phase cooling your liquid cooling loop... money better spent on other things...

heres a few things you can blow cash on

77 bonville + weapon enclosure
iwaki japanese pump
peltiers + powersupplies
mutliple loops
custom water cooled blocks
water cooling enclosure, although I don't like these at all
building a stand alone case + single stage phase cooling unit :o


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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: flavoraid]
    #8427361 - 05/21/08 04:20 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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basically you remove all the air from a cooler and chill it to whatever temperature you want.. you dont need to worry about condensation because theres no air.




I am probably misreading your intent... but vacuum makes an excellent insulator. How are you going to transfer the heat from a CPU that is located in a vacuum? Sure, no condensation, but no thermal transfer either. If you filled the area with a dry and inert gas, such as nitrogen (though argon would probably be a better choice due to thermal transfer properties), it should work. Condensation comes from moisture in the air, not the air itself (unless you are condensing air into liquid nitrogen/oxygen).

I don't even dream of phase cooling... too expensive where I live to power the damn thing. Just running a (room) fan, my electric bill goes up $15/mo. If I run a phase cooler, I triple my monthly power bill.

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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: Seuss]
    #8428279 - 05/21/08 10:51 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

uh...

im talking about a cooler with your computer components in there and the coily thing from an ac in there cooling the thing...

if theres air in there it will turn into frost or condensation and ruin your expensive computer parts

the idea is no air = safe useage.


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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: flavoraid]
    #8428304 - 05/21/08 11:01 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Flav, I see where you're coming from on the watercooling, plus it probably would be unnecessary and I'd have to deal with condensation on the tubing and waterblocks if I chilled it (the water) below ambient.

Check this mod out though:

Custom Dual chiller.

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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: Maverick]
    #8428592 - 05/21/08 12:23 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

I have no knowledge of chilling reservoirs/loops

All I know is the phase cooling of a loop is retarded.


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Re: Built a new rig! 9850BE with a Crossfire Setup! [Re: flavoraid]
    #8428733 - 05/21/08 01:02 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

> if theres air in there it will turn into frost or condensation and ruin your expensive computer parts

Partly incorrect. Moisture will condense out of air on the coldest part of the system, which happens to be the 'coily thing'. Without air, there is very little thermal transfer, thus no air = bad. However, you can dry air, removing moisture from it, leaving nothing to form condensation and ruin your expensive computer parts. Unfortunately, such a system is very inefficient. If it worked, people would be putting their computers inside cheap refrigerators.

Vapor change cooling happens within the heatsink attached to the cpu. This localizes the cooling to the CPU and lowers the area around the CPU below ambient temperature. This allows condensation to form on the components near the heatsink, which will ruin your expensive computer parts if care isn't taken to insulate the area.

> All I know is the phase cooling of a loop is retarded.

Yep. Same logic applies to cooling the air around the computer.


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