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OfflineDobie
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whats better horse or cow poop?
    #842101 - 08/25/02 12:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

what ones better to use? and why?


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    #842460 - 08/25/02 05:26 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)



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    #842497 - 08/25/02 05:48 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: matts]
    #842619 - 08/25/02 06:55 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

One persons sh*t is anothers treasure.

I say both............... as in:

Whatever is easy to get & works well for you.

Welll, to cut that a bit.

How about both..... mixed 50/50.

Best of both worlds

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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: matts]
    #843072 - 08/25/02 10:19 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I'm with Matts on that, for his aforementioned reason.
However.......wild cubensis seem to prefer moo for some reason, maybe because it dries out slower?


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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: Champion des Champignons]
    #843079 - 08/25/02 10:22 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

However.......wild cubensis seem to prefer moo for some reason, maybe because it dries out slower?


I believe it has something to do with the spores germinating within the cow's stomach(s).


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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #843092 - 08/25/02 10:32 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, I've herd that too, many times, but I still find it hard to swallow (pun(s) intended)


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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: Champion des Champignons]
    #843107 - 08/25/02 10:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Found this on a website:
    Question: What's in the Feed?

    Answer: So you have heard some silly diddy about angry farmers wanting to stop our good time. Well, the truth is most of the time if the cows are fed supplements they will include anti fungals, which will halt the germination of spores in the multichambered bovine stomach. Mostly this is not to block mushroom production, more as a protection for the cattle. Why do you think you rarely find shrooms on dairies? Yes the cows can be fed something to stop shroom production, but salt licks do the trick too just not as effective. Sometimes you will hear legitimate tales of farmers who are sick of shroomers trashing the fields and fucking with the cows and as a final measure they will feed the cows. You can avoid this happening by using proper shroom courtesy.
I know this isn't from a scientific journal, but it was the only thing I could find concerning cubensis, spore germination, and stomachs.


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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #843108 - 08/25/02 10:46 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

It would be neat to find out what the temperatures and conditions are within the cows digestive tract. I'll see if I can find any good info. There is a lot of agricultural science where I'm at. Maybe recreating the cows system could lead us to something new. Or just stinky.


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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: Alkaloids]
    #843138 - 08/25/02 11:17 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Hey ultimatelly we all know how well horse poo works.
So hey why change to cow poo??? Your choice, I personally prefer the smell, consistency, basically everything about horse poo.


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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: Dobie]
    #843511 - 08/26/02 07:12 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Man what about donkey poo? I have access to pertty large amounts...would this fall under the catagory of horse?


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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: mushroomaniac]
    #843626 - 08/26/02 08:25 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

im makin my first cassing tonight with 12 spent cakes(on 3rd flush) and 6 invirtro caks ill pluck today....im using horse poo...personaly iv been around horses all my life cuz of my mom and there poo has never made me gag like cow shit...and if there basiclly the same anyway as far as the concensis ill go with horse over cow but may try cow someday...


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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: Dobie]
    #844081 - 08/26/02 12:21 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

in my experience horse poo works better if alone, moo poo works better if mixed with straw...


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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #844445 - 08/26/02 02:55 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

in reference to spores germinating in a cows stomach,might be something there... But, what i do know is that cows have a symbiotic relationship with a certain type of Crane that hitches a ride on the backs of cows and eat all the flys gnats etc. that bug the cow,and mushrooom spores can be carried on the birds feathers falls on the cow doo doo and u know the rest!!!!!!!


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    #844524 - 08/26/02 03:30 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #844590 - 08/26/02 03:55 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i believe that cows digest things differently than most animals, hence the multiple stomachs. they don't have as much acids and crap to break it all down i think. that's probably why a horse poo pile doesn't have shrooms on it, even if they ingested spores.


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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: dubt]
    #844637 - 08/26/02 04:15 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

thanks for all the info cause i have acess to both its just that the cow shit is way easier to get at then horse i think ill go with cowpie and straw


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    #845752 - 08/27/02 05:02 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: matts]
    #846431 - 08/27/02 10:54 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

yea i just found a add in the paper for free horse poop


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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: Dobie]
    #847114 - 08/27/02 03:49 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

cows poopies are great.

horse poopies are great too.

the mushroom cultivator likes horse poopies collected from stables

i prefer the cow poopie, it is so rich and good shit ya know,
i like my cow poopies busted up and mashed and smashed
and..seperate those little pieces of grass, i just like my
cow poopie bucket to be pure poopie, none of that grass.

treat your poopie with some pasturization,
youd better prepare that poopie good buddy

poopie is your friend


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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: Dobie]
    #847137 - 08/27/02 04:02 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

..you get me started on this and still have things to mention.

Poopies be flyin in those cow fields,
Poop poop poop poop poopie!!

Poopies aint the only thing flyin' ,
Spores be flying.. poopies and spores equal Shroomies.

Sure, the spores go through the cows stomachs,
But the spores are also on the ground,
Spores and Poopies be flyin' around everywhere out there.

A very complicated and messy world it is inside cow fields.

But typically, the germination of wild Cubes starts
When the Poop hits the ground.

Them poopies are constantly up to no good.

Them poopies be growing mushrooms that are not even dung-lovers,
Silly mushrooms had no other choice once that poop landed on their spores.

Thats about all i have to say.

Keep shroomin,
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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #847167 - 08/27/02 04:25 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

lol yea i think i should do a thingy with both and see whats up and take pics and do a grow log thingie but my broke ass needs some damn vermiculate im too broke to buy any


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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: Dobie]
    #848125 - 08/27/02 11:21 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

moo + straw.

in regard to the cows:
the reasom cows have four stomaches is because the cows spend most of thier lives eating grass, wich is coarse and sharp, over the cow's lifetime it's stomache(s) become lined with scar tissue, thenks to natural selection cows with more than one stomache predominated. so, a young cow's first stomache is just as effective as a similar sized mamal's stomache but because of the buildup of scar tissue, four stomaches are needed by the time the cow reaches full growth to sustain it.
in regard to the germination of spores within the cows' stomaches, MJ has an artical on his site mentioning that and giving photographic evidence, though i can't find it right now.


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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: matts]
    #848241 - 08/28/02 02:26 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

well dubt i think if that is the case then horse would be alot fatter then if they digested food better than cows..really i think its all about the moisture content of the too and horses dung dries too fast to be a good germination point for spores.

and concrafeet i dont think the sharp grass is why cows have 4 stomachs...its becuse they are so dumb that they would eat themselfs to death ( colic) blocage of intestine) so in evolution they gained more stomachs to correct this. (this is just my opinion


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Re: whats better horse or cow poop? [Re: canid]
    #848375 - 08/28/02 05:35 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I thought the reason for the four stomachs was bacterial. . .No horse, cow, or any other mammal can digest cellulose, the primary carbohydrate in grasses. It's up to the bacteria they harbor to do this, and the four chambers are designed to foster their activity and growth. [or just to have enough space to cart around the many pounds of grass while it's being digested].

Why cows have four and horses have one [but can live off the same stuff] I dunno. Maybe it's harder to run from a lion if you have four stomachs, and cows [or the ancestor of the modern day burger-machine] relied on their size and horns.

Both poos are great if properly aged


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