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The Cake Guy
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All that hard work and bam its over. I guess thats what this is all about though. You can't get any where without trying. Good job and keep it going.
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Juke Adro
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Yeah it sucks mate, I will be doing it again within the next month or so, I really wanted to see the end result
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RogerRabbit said: Many growers have placed peroxide in perlite and humidifiers, but with no increased growth. To test peroxide, I once brought home an air analyzer from work and tested the O2 content of the air, then added 35% industrial grade peroxide to the humidifier(no water). There was no noticeable increase in O2 levels in the fruiting chamber.
It actually sounds more like a coincidence. However, increased oxygen during colonization would not necessarily be a good thing. We use small gas exchange holes in our lids precisely to keep the CO2 levels high during colonization. Doing so prevents the mycelium from consuming too much of the substrate during this period. Increasing the O2 content of the air is one of the main pinning triggers, and during the jar colonization stage, you don't want to introduce pinning triggers. RR
Roger if you put it in a humidifier where no light could get to it or in a container where no light could get to it, it will not break down to oxygen, ..."Because it breaks down quickly when exposed to light, it should be stored in an opaque container, and pharmaceutical formulations typically come in brown bottles that filter out light" The rate of decomposition is dependent on the temperature and concentration of the peroxide, as well as the pH and the presence of impurities and stabilizers.
Sounds handy for oxygen needs, but with shrooms like shiitake they'll need CO2 which I wonder if a sodium bicarbonate and acetic acid reaction would create enough CO2?
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AcidHorse
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Re: h202 discovery [Re: poof]
#9009818 - 09/30/08 06:23 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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poof said: ok you found something great that works for you, whats your point in trying to convince these know-it-all losers that it works? hell, if i were you i would have kept it to myself just so others could fail harder than they already do.
they are democrats and not fascist capitalistic corporate proprietary morons.
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AcidHorse
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Re: h202 discovery [Re: Juke Adro]
#9009885 - 09/30/08 06:34 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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One of the reasons I think the incubator actually may have released O2 is because in some incubators they have a constant light source, which would contribute to the decomposition of the H2O2.
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Juke Adro
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Re: h202 discovery [Re: AcidHorse]
#9010031 - 09/30/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Project was never finished and until then the works are void you can keep on thinking about how it worked and why but unless its tested again no one will ever really ever know, I never used a light.
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Re: h202 discovery [Re: Juke Adro]
#9010931 - 09/30/08 10:09 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Have anyone tried calculating how much oxygen can be released from 10-20ml of 3% H2O2? I did, and I encourage you to as well. Once you do it yourself, and then shrug in disbelief and re-calculate a few times, you will realize how ridiculous the whole notion of supplementing oxygen with H2O2 is. I am not saying that H2O2 cannot have an effect on mycelium growth, or on fruit body formation by some other mechanism, but it sure as hell is not because of additional O2. I guarantee!
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Juke Adro
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Re: h202 discovery [Re: denger]
#9010962 - 09/30/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah I agree but it does do something, weather its for the good or bad I don't know lol
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Re: h202 discovery [Re: denger]
#9012104 - 10/01/08 05:40 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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H2O2 releases 3.3 volumes of oxygen for every 1% of solution strength. For example, you may find 3% solutions referred to as “10 Volume”.
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Juke Adro
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Re: h202 discovery [Re: JaComet]
#9019530 - 10/02/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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So mine was 165 volume?
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JaComet
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Re: h202 discovery [Re: Juke Adro]
#9022322 - 10/03/08 05:24 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I was not familiar with your product , so I looked up Oxy Plus and presume you are using Growth Technology Oxy Plus.
Appears to contains 17.5% Hydrogen Peroxide. I suppose they would use 50% solution in their formulation. I use 35% Food Grade at home.
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Juke Adro
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Re: h202 discovery [Re: JaComet]
#9023931 - 10/03/08 02:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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The old one is 17.5% I used to buy that also, but the new one is 50%
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Re: h202 discovery [Re: Juke Adro]
#9031277 - 10/05/08 05:16 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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50%! Is the product to be stored in a freezer? The fumes off that stuff at room temp must be pretty rude. Being careful now.
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#9034127 - 10/05/08 07:25 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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JaComet
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Re: h202 discovery [Re: Cultivate]
#9035771 - 10/06/08 04:11 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Perhaps “fumes” was a poor choice of words. I take precaution when opening a bottle of 35%, fresh from the freezer, as the vapors bleach my skin to mild irritation. Wouldn’t want anyone to get this stuff on them.
I know I should wear gloves but am simply unable to work in them safely. At least where I feel confident nothing will slip.
I’m very surprised 50% solution is sold in ( ahem ) Garden Shops. Is this stuff even kept in refrigerators, at least? I wonder what the stabilizer is?
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Juke Adro
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Re: h202 discovery [Re: JaComet]
#9037804 - 10/06/08 03:11 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I keep it in the garage its always cool in their, like I said in a prior post it is not a normal garden shop its a hydroponic shop that specialises in large scale equipment and chemicals for farms and he is a friend of mine.
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Re: h202 discovery [Re: Juke Adro]
#9063756 - 10/11/08 04:02 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gloves are a good idea. I personally wouldn't go near that stuff without some eye protection.
Can you imagine slipping and getting some of that in the eyes?
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Re: h202 discovery [Re: Cultivate]
#9065450 - 10/12/08 12:44 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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or if your drunk and grab the h2o2 instead of the h2o
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tripchip
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Heres an idea, if you had a martha setup couldnt you put a small glass of peroxide inside the fruiting chamber on one of the shelves to give the martha an extra oxygen boost? or wouldnt it be a good idea for people that have FAE problems to add some in their chamber? for instance some people have a hard time getting high humidity with optimal FAE. The more FAE you have the harder it is to have high humidity. with this said I think people lack the FAE by trying to keep their humidity high. So Im thinking that adding peroxide to your perlite may help balance the best of both world in some cases. not as a substitute for FAE but more like a supplement. PLUS!!, if the O2 is a pinning trigger wouldnt the h202 help as a pinning trigger? I just read this thread for the first time and I find it interesting. I agree with RR as far as this particular experiment but this thread opened my mind to other benificial uses with h202. Im thinking when you want to trigger pinning the h2o2 may really help give the myc get a firm message to begin to pin which may help with better pinsets.. sorry i kinda rambled on i got a lot of things going on in my head and having ADHD doesnt help
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Re: h202 discovery [Re: tripchip]
#9085218 - 10/16/08 05:07 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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i just thought of one possible problem, since h2o2 is an irratant to the skin. using it for humidity purposes could be very dangerous to your lungs i came up with this thought after thinking about using h2o2 with a ultra sonic fogger. but in the end it would be way to expensive to use the stuff anyway...what about 4 bottles a day for a couple weeks, yikes thats alot of money even if you used half that much.
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