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fantasy2reality
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incubation idea
#8408420 - 05/16/08 06:21 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have read others ideas on incubation ideas, and I was thinking of an idea of my own, not sure if any body else has tried this, but...
make a water tight box, plumb lines for fluid to run through, in and out, maybe a cross flow pattern to get optimal circulation, I was thinking of using a heat exchanger type manifold to heat coolant that is used in automobiles. I think this will definitely keep excellent stable temps, I am just not sure about contams? As far as I know, 100% coolant evaporates at only extremely high temps, like above 200F maybe even higher. So I dont think it would be an issue to put the jars directly into the flow of coolant, but like I said before, I am just not sure what issues I would have with possible contams, if I sealed the container, and filtered the flow, and maybe even used bags around the bottom end of the jars to keep contact on the glass jars to a minimum. I was thinking of a pond pump, a smaller one of course due to the rates of GPM some of the larger ones have, I think that might create to much of a flow. I think Id use like a few gallon reservoir to hold the heater and the fluid to be circulated... I am still kind of uncertain about the heating issues though, while I like my current TiT setup like a double boiler with the aquarium heater, I dont think that an aquarium heater is optimal for the coolant temperature to stay where it needs to as it is flowing through the exchanger and into the chamber. any ideas on heating sources?
If I dont use coolant, I was thinking of some sort of oil, like mineral oil, or something . Maybe this idea would be overkill, but I like to experiment, and try to do things "the hard way".
I am looking for all criticism here, and I accept all help and ideas as well. I am mostly concerned about the use of coolant as a heating transfer element.
Let me know what you guys/girls think.... Thanks
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dstark
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There is alot easier methodes mate cheaper for sure ^^
Didnt really got ur point with all this oil and lines... :P
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HoleSnype
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Re: incubation idea [Re: dstark]
#8408658 - 05/16/08 09:02 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dude, lots of people don't even incubate these days. That let stuff colonize at room temp. The TiT method is cheap and easy for incubation. Get a two tubs. Put water in between them. Drop in a fish tank heater. Baddabing.
If you incubate, you generally only speed up the colonization time by a day or two. I guess it all depends on how cold the house is though.
You sound like someone who likes to build stuff. I would use all of that creative energy on a baddass FC.
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HoleSnype
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Re: incubation idea [Re: HoleSnype]
#8408660 - 05/16/08 09:03 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Also, you don't want your incubator to be air tight. Colonizing substrait needs gas exchange or it can develope bacteria.
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flavoraid
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Re: incubation idea [Re: HoleSnype]
#8408699 - 05/16/08 09:23 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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HoleSnype said: Also, you don't want your incubator to be air tight. Colonizing substrait needs gas exchange or it can develope bacteria.
I completely cover my incubator gas exchange isn't the same thing as FAE.
Also your right, most people don't bother with incubation anymore.
Some substrates and species are better left at room temperature such as compost, dung, p.cyans, p.tropicalis(cyans/tropicalis make so much of their own heat specially in the center of a substrate bag) and stone producers ( stone producers I wouldn't incubate as I wouldn't want the substrate to dry out as they would need so long in an incubator.)
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HoleSnype
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Re: incubation idea [Re: flavoraid]
#8408707 - 05/16/08 09:26 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dude, he said he was going to seal the container. I know the difference between FAE and gas exchange. Depending on how many jars he packs into this container, sealing it is not a good idea. Hence the new theory of "leave them out on a shelf". Obviously if they are in a jar, FAE is not relevant.
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flavoraid
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Re: incubation idea [Re: HoleSnype]
#8408737 - 05/16/08 09:34 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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gas exchange is on a very small level. the space between the jars is probably adequate even if the container was as full as could be.
I'm also assuming it wouldn't remain closed for the whole incubatio time as he would get curious if they were colonized or contaminated or whatever.
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fantasy2reality
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Re: incubation idea [Re: flavoraid]
#8408811 - 05/16/08 10:02 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, I understand this idea is a bit extreme, but like I said, I like to experiment...
I use a tub in tub set up now. I am trying to create something that is larger and can handle a bunch of quarts. I have a mess load of stuff at my disposal, so I figured I'd use it for my personal enjoyment!
I have a rubbermaid TIT with like 36 quarts of WBS with Guadalajara, Lippia Yai (sp), Cambodian, Koh Sumai (sp), the never fail 4th generation B+, and 4th generation GT.
Mostly I just screw around trying new things, and now I just wanted to get some opinion on ideas from people like me. I live in a cooler climate, and especially right now, I wouldn't want to wait long for colonization to occur.
thanks
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flavoraid
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5bucks says your jars aren't effected from lack of GE if you completely close your incubator.
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HoleSnype
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Re: incubation idea [Re: flavoraid]
#8408821 - 05/16/08 10:07 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is your call bro, if you want to put the extra work in, go for it. I like building stuff myself, so I can kind of see where you are coming from. Personally, I like decking out FCs. Let us know how it turns out.
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fantasy2reality
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Re: incubation idea [Re: flavoraid]
#8408832 - 05/16/08 10:15 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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flavoraid said: 5bucks says your jars aren't effected from lack of GE if you completely close your incubator.
I agree... although my TIT is not "sealed", it is completely full with stacked quarts. Colonization in my TIT takes around 14-20 days just depends what I used.
I do not put my casings in the incubator, I just wrap them in black plastic bags, and put in the bottom of my fruiting chamber, haven't had problem with this since I started doing this hobby. About 7 years and running. IMO, I think it's experience and knowledge of others that help us gain optimal results.
Thanks
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