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 AbaZabba
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 Spawning to 100% coir 
#8405123 - 05/15/08 12:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, so after much reading and research I have come to the conclusion that my first set of BRF cakes will be spawned to coir, then cased with MGMC.
My question is, who has successfully spawned their cakes to 100% coir?
I dont have easy access to any straw or dung and heard through the grapevine that I could just as easily spawn to one of the many bricks of of coir I have lying around, after it has been expanded and pasteurized of course. Is this method successful?
I know coir has very minimal nutritional value, so my only concern is that it would not colonize with my cakes very well. The plan is to crumble the cakes in a plastic bag and apply them in an aluminum tray, layering coir->cake->coir->cake->coir. I would keep this mixture covered until the mycelium is poking through the top coir layer about 30-40% then apply my casing and induce fruiting conditions.
So I guess my only question is, how effective is a bulk substrate of 100% coco coir? Any feedback/personal experiences would be greatly appreciated.
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 blood4blood
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: AbaZabba]
#8405290 - 05/15/08 01:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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AbaZabba said:
I know coir has very minimal nutritional value,
where did you hear this at?
id say 80% of my grows are grown with coir as the substrate. i've had alot of sucess with coir. you should have no problems spawning your cakes to 100% coir. i always add 20% spent coffee grounds and 10% gypsum to the mix.
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: blood4blood]
#8406408 - 05/15/08 06:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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blood4blood said:
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AbaZabba said:
I know coir has very minimal nutritional value,
where did you hear this at?
id say 80% of my grows are grown with coir as the substrate. i've had alot of sucess with coir. you should have no problems spawning your cakes to 100% coir. i always add 20% spent coffee grounds and 10% gypsum to the mix.
Would the reason for coffee grounds in the mix be the nitrogen value it adds to the substrate? Also, could a small amount of blood meal replace the grounds, I hate coffee therefor having no grounds.
No access to gypsum around me, guess I'll have to do without.
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: AbaZabba]
#8406525 - 05/15/08 07:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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yup its for the nitrogen. and look up bloodmeal in the search engine. its not really recommended. i cant remember why or id tell ya.
i dont drink coffee either so what i do is put what i need in a pillow case and run water throuh it for 10-15 minutes and them let it hang outside for a couple hours
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: blood4blood]
#8406581 - 05/15/08 07:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just my 2 cents, but you can usually pick up used coffee grounds at starbucks... They package them up and they are free for the taking.
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I tend to use 50% Vermiculite, 25% Coir, and 25% Composted Cow Poo. Works GREAT for me! I have never spawned to pure coir, several years ago it was only used as a casing layer and the general belief was that it did not contain enough nutrients to grow anything, including contaminates. It is used as an inert growth medium in hydroponics.
Hmmm, has anyone tried soaking coir in hydroponic solution and seeing how they grow in it?
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: Cyber]
#8407129 - 05/15/08 09:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: AbaZabba]
#8407425 - 05/15/08 10:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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AbaZabba said:
No access to gypsum around me, guess I'll have to do without.
punch a hole in your wall. drywall is gypsum. and yeah, starbucks or a better coffee shop that doesn't suck the life out of everything around it should give you coffee grounds.
oh, the thing about blood meal, from what i have read somewhere around here, is that mushrooms need their nutes to be composted, and blood meal is not.
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: grod31]
#8407485 - 05/15/08 10:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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grod31 said:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8279214#8279214
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7921536#7921536
two of my grows only coir and verm no casing
Very nice stuff there man, it's nice to see you can get such nice results without the use of a casing layer. Seeing your threads almost makes me venture to do an experiment of equal size bulks, one with casing and one without to see how each performs under the same conditions.
Coir is very good at retaining moisture, so I would think this contributed to the success without the addition of casing?
Out of curiousity, were the 2nd and 3rd flushes of this monotub successful?
Thanks for all the tips and tricks guys, just a noob in learning here
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: Cyber]
#8407939 - 05/16/08 12:43 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cyber said:
several years ago it was only used as a casing layer and the general belief was that it did not contain enough nutrients to grow anything,
haha, old timer.
no but from what ive read coir has come a long ways as now being a good nutritive substrate for growing. look up some of oatmans grows in the search function and you will be awed... all coir, no additives, nothing!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5909750/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: AbaZabba]
#8407992 - 05/16/08 01:06 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Out of curiousity, were the 2nd and 3rd flushes of this monotub successful?
2nd not 3rd
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: grod31]
#8408004 - 05/16/08 01:08 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've only used coir for my bulk grows because its easy to obtain, has the required nutes especially supplemented with other additives, and retains a whole lotta moisture. I've gotten spectacular flushes from strait wbs spawned to coir. No casing/wax paper
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: blood4blood]
#8408428 - 05/16/08 06:27 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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blood4blood said:
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Cyber said:
several years ago it was only used as a casing layer and the general belief was that it did not contain enough nutrients to grow anything,
haha, old timer.
no but from what ive read coir has come a long ways as now being a good nutritive substrate for growing. look up some of oatmans grows in the search function and you will be awed... all coir, no additives, nothing!
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5909750/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1
I guess I am an old timer now 
First off this was not coir with no additives. The grain that he used to spawn is a nutrient that was added. I know that statement is nitpicking but it is true that by adding the grain spawn he has added a nutrient.
I would prefer to see a side by side where a coir grow like oatmans is done side by side with a more nutrient rich substrate. The reason for the side by side is that if I compared pictures of his grow to one of mine
oatman
cyber
There would appear to be a density difference. This could be caused by a less nutrient substrate, grow methods, environment, strain, and even the overall skill of the grower. The best way to work out the difference is to have the same person do the grow with the same starter and maintain as many contents as possible, then get a total end weight and see which is better.
As we know from BRF cakes, it does not take much nutrient to get them to grow, but growing on a low nutrient substrate will greatly reduce the overall yield.
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: Cyber]
#8408435 - 05/16/08 06:31 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cyber said:
I tend to use 50% Vermiculite, 25% Coir, and 25% Composted Cow Poo. Works GREAT for me!
50% verm? why so much?
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: boomer q]
#8408652 - 05/16/08 08:59 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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coir has low nitrogen and it's very acidic
id suggest using 5% chicken manure OR 1tbsp bloodmeal per 10 cups of hydrated coir
a high spawn ratio will lower the amount of lack of N/Acidic substrate by lowering the amount of coir used.
10% gypsum will likely lower the acidity although it is somewhat acidic its self but it will improve yields and stabalize pH. I think it's also high in phorphorus which I believe coir already has.
I've heard of using some seaweed or kelp meal to boost up the microorganism profile in coir (agar) but I haven't tried it myself nor have I read about it.
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: AbaZabba]
#8408715 - 05/16/08 09:28 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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My recent coir grow, Puerto Rican, spawned with wheat spawn, coir with app. 5% limestone flour, app 20% spawn rate.
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: Anno]
#8408722 - 05/16/08 09:30 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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That shit looks good. I don't think you could pack another shroom in there if your tried.
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: Anno]
#8408727 - 05/16/08 09:31 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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so just pH balanced, I've never considered using wheat grain it seems sort of soft to me, I assumed it would turn to mush easily.
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: flavoraid]
#8408729 - 05/16/08 09:31 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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flavoraid said:
10% gypsum will likely lower the acidity
Gypsum will hardly if at all lower acidity.
You got to use limestone flour or any other source of calcium carbonate, or calcium hydroxide(not recommended, too aggressive) to do this.
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Re: Spawning to 100% coir [Re: Anno]
#8408759 - 05/16/08 09:40 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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considering it's coir the gypsum wouldn't lower the pH at all now that I think of it.
gypsum will lower the pH of other substrates but coir is very acidic.
prehaps I meant it will raise the pH by that. I don't even know my brain's friend was up drinking with my hippie neighbors last night.
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technically lowering the acidity would be raising the pH right?
lowering the pH is increasing the acidity
raising the acitiy would be loering the pH
lowering the acidity would be raising the pH
wow... I wonder what it would be like to be a japanese chemist.
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imachavel, Man you really need to do some reading, the amount of bullshit you put into almost every single one of your posts is absolutely astounding.
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