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OfflineMokshaIs
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8397383 - 05/14/08 12:49 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

food shortages is a huge problem that will make itself known even in the industrialized villes sooner rather than later...so i assume


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8397431 - 05/14/08 01:04 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
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It's no skin off my ass.




Not until food shortages hit catastrophic levels and cannibalism becomes the norm...




Too tough to chew.


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: Icelander]
    #8397976 - 05/14/08 03:55 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I work at Whole Foods (in the Floral department) but they had a store-wide meeting about the rising costs of food, and the food shortage. A loaf of bread costs 1/3rd more then it did in 2005, and the average price of a dozen eggs has risen 50% in the last year alone. Overall, as a whole, we've seen the worst case of food inflation in the last 20 years.

They especially talked about meat; said that the cost of meat is going to continue to rise, as the majority of corn and soy grown in the world feeds livestock, and those prices are going up, which means that meat will too. My managers were trying to implement ways to help customers save money in the store despite these additional costs.

I find abstaining from meat compassionate not for the beasts; but for other human beings.

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Though some 800 million people now suffer from hunger or malnutrition, the majority of corn and soy grown in the world feeds cattle, pigs and chickens. This is the case in spite of the inherent inefficiencies: About two to five times more grain is required to produce the same amount of calories through livestock as through direct grain consumption, according to Rosamond Naylor, an associate professor of economics at Stanford University. It is as much as 10 times more in the case of grain-fed beef in the United States.




Here is the article: http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/01/27/business/meat.php


I don't eat animal products because I feel sorry for the animals - that's a negative. I abstain from animal products because I know it's helping my human environment converse energy as a whole.


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: MOTH]
    #8397992 - 05/14/08 04:00 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I don't eat animal products because I feel sorry for the animals - that's a negative. I abstain from animal products because I know it's helping my human environment converse energy as a whole.

I also suggest giving up your car and living in a tent. Oh, and not having children.


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8398113 - 05/14/08 04:36 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I'm a vegetarian out of discipline. I'm not going to eat any meat/fish for seven years. (I'm on year two). I could careless about what those around me it. In fact, I feed both my dogs and my cat chicken/fish and sometimes even cook meat for them.


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: klimt]
    #8398130 - 05/14/08 04:42 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

bet cha don't make it.


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: Icelander]
    #8398172 - 05/14/08 04:53 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I don't eat animal products because I feel sorry for the animals - that's a negative. I abstain from animal products because I know it's helping my human environment converse energy as a whole.

I also suggest giving up your car and living in a tent. Oh, and not having children.




Well, two of the three are taken care of. I don't have a car, I don't have kids and am not intending to...and yes, I have thought seriously about tent-life.


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: MokshaIs]
    #8398249 - 05/14/08 05:10 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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MokshaIs said:
to not eat meat
why that's quite the treat
eating pig fat?
you might as well eat a cat!
as for the American diet
well, there just ain't no need to fry it
so eat up them greens
turn that fat to muscle o so lean
your face shall shine
no more karmic food crime
just good ol enzyme-tastical yum

but seriously...what dirtworshipper said. when we eat the meat, we are eating inconceivable misery.

yum?




Put some A-1 on that misery and it tastes amazing.


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #8398286 - 05/14/08 05:16 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Some buddhists get around the "killing" aspect of eating by only eating what nature gives them, that is, eating naturally fallen fruits, nuts, pinecones, ect. In that case, you can truly have a guilt free dessert.


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: MOTH]
    #8398319 - 05/14/08 05:20 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

small footprint.:thumbup:


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: xFrockx]
    #8398348 - 05/14/08 05:25 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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xFrockx said:
Some buddhists get around the "killing" aspect of eating by only eating what nature gives them, that is, eating naturally fallen fruits, nuts, pinecones, ect. In that case, you can truly have a guilt free dessert.




I was a fruitarian for awhile. I found it very liberating, but limiting at the same time. I love fresh green food.

Plus, it's not entirely guilt free, unless you gather your own fruits and only eat in season, considering all the fuel and labor that goes into shipping fruit to your grocery store.


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: MOTH]
    #8398378 - 05/14/08 05:34 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Good point. As a matter of fact, a lot of the fruit we eat comes from Latin American countries where work conditions border on slave labor. The whole industry is fucked up, particularly the way the governments of developed nations give large corporations the one-up on the little guy.
Check out the film 'Life and Debt' at www.freedocumentaries.org if you get the chance, it's a really well-made film about how the world powers have devastated Jamaican agriculture and exploited the country's work force.


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to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: Lion]
    #8398397 - 05/14/08 05:39 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

You should only eat what you grow on the window sill over the sink.:thumbup: Of course this might fuck up the world economy and cause a little increase in starvation and poverty while things readjust.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: Icelander]
    #8398413 - 05/14/08 05:42 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

There's no easy answer. Everything's fucked, we're all doomed. Let's all dance naked and eat nothing but swamp muck.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: Lion]
    #8398419 - 05/14/08 05:43 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

You're mostly correct here.:lol: But what we often don't consider is we are all doomed from the start. We take it all too seriously as if that might change the facts.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Edited by Icelander (05/14/08 05:44 AM)


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: Icelander]
    #8398504 - 05/14/08 06:00 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

:laugh:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: Icelander]
    #8398663 - 05/14/08 06:26 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

That's gotta be a pretty big windowsill


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: Icelander]
    #8398713 - 05/14/08 06:34 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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Icelander said:
You should only eat what you grow on the window sill over the sink.:thumbup: 




Aw, dude...it's my DREAM to be able to grow everything I eat with my own two hands!  Can't wait until I can start an apartment garden.


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: MOTH]
    #8398804 - 05/14/08 06:50 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

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and yes, I have thought seriously about tent-life.




Camping out can be intents...


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Re: Why I'm Not a Vegetarian [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8398819 - 05/14/08 06:53 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

:smilingpuppy:

and on and on, into Infinity and Beyond


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