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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8388587 - 05/11/08 10:29 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

I do look forward in a shift to our foreign policy and a reduction
of the fox guarding the henhouse...ie. bush's appointments of former
industry lobbyists to oversight positions in the various federal
bureaucracy (FCC, Interior, EPA, etc).

This is why I don't have any qualms backing the guy, overall.

But there are plenty of things people get all uppity about when it
comes to Obama...not the least of which is the fact that he's clearly
a muslim mole and is possibly connected to Saddam Hussein via a
cleverly hidden middle name.

I'M WATCHING YOU BRAK.


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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: afoaf]
    #8388628 - 05/11/08 10:49 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

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afoaf said:
universal health care, dictating acceptable corporate profit levels
and any of the other ridiculous bullshit he's proposed in an effort
to close that "gap".




When did Obama ever advocate a legal limit to corporate profits? And I'd hardly consider universal health care to be "extreme socialism" considering every other developed nation has it and the vast majority of Americans want it. I guess it's extreme if you also consider socialized schools, socialized fire departments and socialized police to be "extreme".

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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8388872 - 05/11/08 12:27 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

We NEED a socialist in office. A REAL socialistic ideal if we are to not become anything aside from a collection of various privately-owned entities at the government level.

The founding fathers created this government to PROTECT the average man with the average voice from those of aristocratic means. Over the past 100+ years this government has been off and on with the privatization of govt. function yet in the past 8 years almost ALL of the government has been privatized.

I have friends overseas fighting this crusade/fiscal "war" right now. They see this as a logical extension of economic free-market bullshit under guise of an opportunity, (i.e. twin towers). The competition between the organizations such as Blackwater and the actual standing USA armed forces is a dangerous dividend that, while in the short term may stimulate economic interest for the well or moderately well monied investor, WILL result in eventual fragmentation and destruction of this country and it's, (apparently restrained to symbolic, unless you happen to be one of the 4% living within what would be the modern 'status quo'), self-evident freedoms.

Historically, this is the point where we shit or get off the pot. We elect someone with some apparent sense of government at all, which is not to be found in McCain whatsoever, or we risk loosing the unity of nation to a totalitarian economic state with the wealthy exercising full command over the citizenry. We are dangerously close to this already.

The fact that those who have always been held with some regard, (middle-class, white, Christians), are AWAKENING to the fact that they are being bled is a sign of where we are. The fact that Obama genuinely feels like his interests are of those of perpetuation of freedom and advancement from this current socio-political situation are the reason he is/will likely be doing well. The media has fumbled a bit recently. This deal w/ Wright, Weather Underground connections, etc. are being played to show that he may be a danger to commonly held philosophy are playing against him.

The access to information we have recently accrued is beginning to catch up. These connections are, against many predictions, increasing his appeal. We WANT a radical, even if many of us refuse to admit it.


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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8389055 - 05/11/08 01:15 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

interesting, but it's too early for polls to mean much.

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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8389223 - 05/11/08 02:05 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

a few bullet points ..

bullet point 1) ..6% doesnt mean much when the same poll shows 14% still undecided...

bullet point 2) ..the demographics of swing states gives the repugnicans a huge handicap in a close vote...

bullet point 3) ..the bradley effect...

bullet point 4) ..hillary..OTOH..has lost favour with the same "bradley voters"..who dont like to be reminded that their racist chicken-turds...

bullet point 5) ..given all the above..the democrats dont have a viable candidate.. and the poo-bahs of the party will have to rush to draught a new candiate in august...

bullet point 6) ..if the repugnicans win on racial politics..it will not only be a tragedy policy-wise..but will also firmly reestablish amerikkka as an overtly racist country...


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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: Annapurna1]
    #8389250 - 05/11/08 02:13 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Clarify point 6.


Are you making the claim that if america does not elect a black man president, that america is racist?


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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: Annapurna1]
    #8389310 - 05/11/08 02:29 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Quote:

Annapurna1 said:

bullet point 2) ..the demographics of swing states gives the repugnicans a huge handicap in a close vote...




First off, don't call them "repugnicans"; it's juvenile and prevents anyone from taking you or the discussion seriously.

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "handicap"- do you mean the demographics handicap, ie hurt, the Republicans or that they help them? I'd say they help Obama; while he doesn't do too well on the 2004 "Democrats must win Ohio or Florida or they're toast" model, Obama is very competitive in a lot of smaller states, especially in the West. He has a smart campaign with deep pockets and many of these once solidly Republican states are turning purple fast due to their disillusionment with Republican policies and scandals. Hell, he's even competitive in Texas- he won't win it, but he can come within single digits and wage an expensive campaign there the cash-strapped Republicans are going to have to match. The only group that is adamantly anti-Obama is no-college working-class whites in the South and along the Eastern seaboard(especially in Appalachia) but he doesn't need to win them; no Democrat has since the age of Dixie.


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bullet point 3) ..the bradley effect...




You do realize that if a revote were held today, California would vote for Obama, right? If by the "Bradley effect", you mean that voters will lie about how racially-accepting they are and then go vote against the black guy, I think his track record should disprove that since a majority of Democratic voters DID vote for him already.

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bullet point 5) ..given all the above..the democrats dont have a viable candidate.. and the poo-bahs of the party will have to rush to draught a new candiate in august...




What are you talking about? We have a presumptive nominee; there isn't going to be a delegate-led substitution.

Quote:

bullet point 6) ..if the repugnicans win on racial politics..it will not only be a tragedy policy-wise..but will also firmly reestablish amerikkka as an overtly racist country...




Do you really have to do this?

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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #8389345 - 05/11/08 02:39 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Quote:

Mushmonkey said:
Clarify point 6.


Are you making the claim that if america does not elect a black man president, that america is racist?




no..im making the claim that if america does not elect a black man president because hes black..then america is racist...


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    #8389366 - 05/11/08 02:43 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8389378 - 05/11/08 02:46 PM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Quote:

Yossarian22 said:
Quote:

Annapurna1 said:

bullet point 2) ..the demographics of swing states gives the repugnicans a huge handicap in a close vote...




First off, don't call them "repugnicans"; it's juvenile and prevents anyone from taking you or the discussion seriously.

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by "handicap"- do you mean the demographics handicap, ie hurt, the Republicans or that they help them? I'd say they help Obama; while he doesn't do too well on the 2004 "Democrats must win Ohio or Florida or they're toast" model, Obama is very competitive in a lot of smaller states, especially in the West. He has a smart campaign with deep pockets and many of these once solidly Republican states are turning purple fast due to their disillusionment with Republican policies and scandals. Hell, he's even competitive in Texas- he won't win it, but he can come within single digits and wage an expensive campaign there the cash-strapped Republicans are going to have to match. The only group that is adamantly anti-Obama is no-college working-class whites in the South and along the Eastern seaboard(especially in Appalachia) but he doesn't need to win them; no Democrat has since the age of Dixie.




what i meant was that the swing states will tilt the electoral college to the GOP in a close vote..even if the dems finish slightly ahead in the national poll...


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