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    #8384609 - 05/10/08 08:29 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8384617 - 05/10/08 08:36 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

> Just out of curiousity, why do you think Obama is polling so far ahead of McCain right now?

I think it is mostly 'error'. Not in the sense that the statistics/science behind the polls are inaccurate, but rather the polls are trying to measure something which is silly to try and measure at this time. Once the Democrats settle on somebody, and once we have a few debates between somebody and McCain, then the polls will start to reflect who people are actually going to vote for.


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    #8384629 - 05/10/08 08:44 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8384691 - 05/10/08 09:14 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

an average of +6 doesn't strike me as "QUITE ahead"


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    #8384704 - 05/10/08 09:19 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: afoaf]
    #8384707 - 05/10/08 09:22 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

I'm not saying these polls are a valid representation of what will happen come November, but plus 6 is quite considerable when you note that most elections are won by less than 5 percentage points.

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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8384804 - 05/10/08 10:20 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

> I've got to think that public opinion has turned in his favor, at the very least.

Today, perhaps. Public opinion is a fickle thing that can change over trivialities from day to day. Of course, it doesn't hurt to have the public opinion in your favor, and it has the potential to become the wave that Obama rides to gain the needed supercorrupt, er superdelegate votes that he needs for the nomination. Time will tell.


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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: Seuss]
    #8385034 - 05/10/08 11:57 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

My pessimistic side says that these numbers are because voters are still thinking of issues and see McCain as a continuation of the Bush legacy. Once the general starts approaching I have no doubt the Republican smear machine will be as geared up as ever and ferociously desperate to boot. I just hope Obama can keep the focus on McCain's policies instead of the idiotic guilt-by-association smear du jour.

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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8385083 - 05/10/08 12:16 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

McCain is a weak candidate so it comes to no surprise to me that Obama is polling ahead of him. I think people have come to realize that he's a flip-flopper on issues, and how can you take someone who changes opinions so frequently seriously? While Fox news and the other propaganda outlets have been going on ad nauseum about the revernend wright "controversy" (which no one but sean hannity gives a shit about) they have neglected to mention McCain's nutcase preacher Hagee, and allegations of McCain campaign fraud. is it really surprising that they're covering up for their boy?

i really hope Ron Paul stays in this election to at least keep it somewhat interesting. the other candidates suck

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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: danknugz81]
    #8385426 - 05/10/08 01:58 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

mccain's a weak candidate, but so are all of them.

even obama. obama strikes me like kennedy.. when it comes down to it he hasn't done shit, won't do shit, but he's loved anyway.

why is he polling ahead? because the race hasn't started and he's been on the news, which probably means most people are so dumb they misunderstand the question and answer who they're voting for right now. or perhaps they randomly called more black people in these recent polls -- obama's pretty much got that vote locked down. lol, race isnt an issue, lol.


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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: Redstorm]
    #8385521 - 05/10/08 02:22 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

is that across all elected offices?

the last 2 presidential elections seem to be the exception to the rule.

80 - 90.9 v 9.1
84 - 97.6 v 2.4
88 - 79.2 v 20.6
92 - 68.8 v 31.2
96 - 70.4 v 29.6
00 - 50.4 v 49.4
04 - 53.2 v 46.7

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/


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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: afoaf]
    #8385557 - 05/10/08 02:30 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

> the last 2 presidential elections seem to be the exception to the rule.

Interesting... Maybe those folks with the tinfoil hats are on to something here.  :wink:


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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #8385641 - 05/10/08 02:49 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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Mushmonkey said:
mccain's a weak candidate, but so are all of them.

even obama. obama strikes me like kennedy.. when it comes down to it he hasn't done shit, won't do shit, but he's loved anyway.

why is he polling ahead? because the race hasn't started and he's been on the news, which probably means most people are so dumb they misunderstand the question and answer who they're voting for right now. or perhaps they randomly called more black people in these recent polls -- obama's pretty much got that vote locked down. lol, race isnt an issue, lol.




i agree that obama hasnt done much of anything and isnt the strongest candidate. the thing with obama is that he represents "change". while most informed people know that his policies are nothing revolutionary, the majority of americans see a black man as president as a HUGE change (which it is, if you view things in terms of race.)

i think the one thing obama has going for him above all the other candidates is his "likability" factor. "conservatives" seem to think that the Hamas leader giving his obama endorsement is a bad thing, while i view it as a positive - it means that diplomacy might be an option rather than just war-mongering. we're already in a war we cant afford to pay for and these fucks want to get us into potentially 2 more wars (Iran and Venezuela)? i just dont see the logic in it at all.

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    #8385856 - 05/10/08 03:42 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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    #8385865 - 05/10/08 03:44 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8387749 - 05/11/08 12:35 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

there is a big difference between the popular vote
and the electoral college vote.

last I checked american presidential elections were
decided by electoral college votes.

perhaps it is unfair to compare polling values with
electoral college results, I will concede that, but
by and large the gap between winner and loser in
US presidential elections is by and large more than
5%.


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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: danknugz81]
    #8388281 - 05/11/08 07:33 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

> the thing with obama is that he represents "change".

Unfortunately, Obama's way of changing equates to extreme socialism. Even worse, it isn't US socialism, but world wide socialism supported by the US taxpayer. Gah, the next four years are going to suck, regardless of which of the three gets elected.


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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: Seuss]
    #8388435 - 05/11/08 09:09 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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> the thing with obama is that he represents "change".

Unfortunately, Obama's way of changing equates to extreme socialism. Even worse, it isn't US socialism, but world wide socialism supported by the US taxpayer. Gah, the next four years are going to suck, regardless of which of the three gets elected.




What in God's name are you rambling on about? Do you honestly think a center-left American politician is a member of ComIntern or something? What policies of his do you consider "extreme socialism"?

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Re: Obama is now polling QUITE ahead of McCain (+11, +6, +4, etc) [Re: Yossarian22]
    #8388487 - 05/11/08 09:33 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

universal health care, dictating acceptable corporate profit levels
and any of the other ridiculous bullshit he's proposed in an effort
to close that "gap".


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    #8388499 - 05/11/08 09:38 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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