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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!!!! [Re: Killa420]
    #838119 - 08/23/02 10:18 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

I think in light of all these shroomerite arrests, someone should come up with a comprehensive list of our rights, how to keep from alerting LEOs, what to do/not to do if they come to your house, etc. I know overgrow.com has a section like this in their faq, I think we need one as well.

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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!!!! [Re: Killa420]
    #838120 - 08/23/02 10:18 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

wow, that's unbelievably shitty. it's interesting you had ordered from blue thumbs... but empty syringes doesn't seem like it would arouse suspicion. have you ever given out your address to an unknown shroomerite? or have you ever sent your address through the PM system here? i'd be very interested as to knowin' how they actually tracked you.

but anyway, i'm really sorry that happened to you and wish you the best of luck. go find a good lawyer, maybe s/he can work some magic


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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!!!! [Re: geokills]
    #838130 - 08/23/02 10:22 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

This sure makes me glad that my dog who has an interest in mycology has her own house way out in the country.

But shit dude. That sucks.

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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!!!! [Re: Killa420]
    #838132 - 08/23/02 10:23 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

never i repeat NEVER consent to a search, with out a court ordered warrant. wether its your home, car or your back pocket.
i agree with box, cops do what they can, what they cant, they get you to let them. if you had said no, i will not allow you to search me, or my premises, either place me under arrest, or leave. they would have ( not happily ) got back in their car, and left...giving you the time to get rid of EVERYTHING.
i do agree this should be stickey, not to warn others as much as to show how you handle the man if he comes knocking at your door.


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They even said that they will get a search warrant in no time and while they wait for that, I was being watched the whole time




12 to 24 hours MIN. and watch the house, i can flush everything i have in 2 hours, and dismantle anything else...as far as i know, it aint a crime to have a bunch of plastic totes w/ holes in the lids laying around.


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Dont fucking call me stupid b/c you werent in the postion that I was in.




no ones calling you stupid, just uninformed and niave




and to all the younger cultuvators, who havent had to deal with the man. you need to either learn the law quickly, quit breaking it, or plan on spending some time locked up, because if you cant handle yourself, you WILL eventually get popped.


this i copied from a post i made, similar to yours, when i first became a member here ( 4th post i made i believe )..only difference was, this guy let them search his car. but it fits for you too, house, car, your person it dont make a difference


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cops are deviouse lil bastards. they will intimidate you, confuse you, become your best friend. just depending on how bad they want you, and the reactions you give, kinda like a sweeper salesman with the power to take your freedom away. they will see what works, and go with it.
and for anyone who dont think they can look a cop in the face and say NO. go to www.norml.org they got a nice lil card you can print out, saying you wish to exercise all your rights. and NO STATE LAW will be able to over ride it. these are your rights, on a federal level.

NORML FREEDOM CARD
i hereby invoke and refuse to waive all of the following rights and privilages afforded to me by the U.S.constitution
i invoke and refuse to waive my fifth amendment right to remain silent. DO not ask me any questions
i invoke and refuse to waive my sixth amenment right to an attorney of choice.DO not ask me any questions without my attorney present.
i invoke and refuse to waiveall privileges and rights pursuant to the case of Miranda V. Arizona . DO not ask me any questions or make any comment about this decision.
i invoke and refuse to waive my fourth amendment right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. i do not consent to any search or seizure of myself, my home, or of any property in my possesion. DO not ask me about my ownership interest in any property. i do not consent to this contact with you. if i am not under arrest,or under investigatory detention,please allow me to leave
any statement i make, or alleged consent i give, in responce to your questions is hereby made under protest and under duress and in submission to your claim of lawful authority to force me to provide you with information.
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Know and Exercise Your Rights

The following information is intended as a brief summation of your constitutional rights and is meant to offer helpful hints at how to effectively assert and protect those rights within the context of a police encounter. Of course, this information is no substitute for consultation with an experienced attorney.

The Fourth Amendment to the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution states:


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The Fifth Amendment reads, in part,

"No person shall be... compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law...."

These amendments provide the foundation for the rights that protect all U.S. Citizens from intrusive law enforcement practices.

If an officer violates your rights then any evidence discovered as a result of that violation must be suppressed from the evidence at trial. This is accomplished by filing a motion to suppress with the trial judge. Even if an officer obtained a warrant prior to searching, if that warrant is defective or not supported by probable cause, then the evidence must be suppressed. Often times, after the fruits of an illegal detention, interrogation or search are suppressed, the government is left with very little evidence and the charges are dismissed.

1. Don't Leave Contraband in Plain View
Although law enforcement officers must obtain a warrant before they can conduct a privacy-invading search, any illicit material that can be plainly seen by any person from a non-intrusive vantage point is subject to confiscation. An arrest and a valid warrant to search the rest of the area is likely to ensue. A "roach" in the ashtray, a pipe or baggie on the coffee table, or a joint being smoked in public are common mistakes which all too-frequently lead to arrests.

2. Never Consent
Many individuals arrested on marijuana charges could have avoided that arrest by exercising their Fourth Amendment rights. If a law enforcement officer asks for your permission to search, it is usually because: (1) there is not enough evidence to obtain a search warrant; or (2) the officer does not feel like going through the hassle of obtaining a warrant. Law enforcement officers are trained to intimidate people into consenting to searches. If you do consent, you waive your constitutional protection and the officers may search and seize items without further authorization. If officers find contraband, they will arrest you.

If you do not consent to a search, the officer must either release you or detain you and attempt to get a warrant. The fact that you refuse to consent does not give the officer grounds to obtain a warrant or further detain you.

An officer can obtain a search warrant only from a judge or magistrate and only upon a showing of "probable cause." Probable cause requires an officer to articulate information that would cause a reasonable person to believe that a crime has been or is being committed and that evidence of that involvement can be found within the object of the search.

There are exceptions to the search warrant requirement which permit an officer to search an area without a warrant or consent under certain circumstances. The important thing for you to remember is never to consent to a search or talk with an officer if you want to preserve your rights.

If an officer asks to search you or an area belonging to you or over which you are authorized to control, you should respond:

"I do not consent to a search of my [person, baggage, purse, luggage, vehicle, house, blood, etc.] I do not consent to this contact and do not want to answer any questions. If I am not under arrest, I would like to go now (or be left alone)."

3. Don't Answer Questions Without Your Attorney Present
Whether arrested or not, you should always exercise the right to remain silent. Anything you say to law enforcement officers, reporters, cell mates, or even your friends can be used as evidence against you. You have the right to have an attorney present during questioning. Your right to remain silent should always be exercised.

4. Determining if You Can Leave
You may terminate an encounter with officers unless you are being detained under police custody or have been arrested. If you cannot tell whether you may leave, you can ask officers, "Am I under arrest or otherwise detained?" If the answer is, "No," you may leave.

An officer can temporarily detain you without arresting you if he has "reasonable suspicion" that you are involved in criminal activity. An officer must be able at a later time to articulate to a judge objective facts that would have caused a reasonable person to suspect that you were involved in criminal activity at the point that you were detained. Also, the officer may perform a "pat down" or "frisk" on you during the detention if he has reasonable suspicion that you are armed. However, an officer may only reach into your pockets if he pats something that feels like a weapon.

When an officer attempts to contact or question you, you should politely say:

"I do not consent to this contact and I do not want to answer any questions. If I am not under arrest I would like to go now (or be left alone)."

If arrested, you should again refuse a search of any kind and refuse to answer any questions. At this point you should insist on speaking to an attorney as soon as possible.

5. Do Not Be Hostile; Do Not Physically Resist
There are times when individuals politely assert their rights and refuse to consent to a search but the officers nonetheless proceed to detain, search, or arrest them. In such cases, it is important not to physically resist. Rather, you should reassert your rights as outlined above in section 2.

6. Informing on Others
The police and prosecutors often try to pressure individuals into providing information that would lead to the arrest and conviction of others. Threats and promises by police and prosecutors should be viewed with caution and skepticism. Decisions should only be made after consulting with an experienced criminal defense attorney and examining one's own conscience.





good luck man, hope you make it through this ok


bunch of post happened, whilei was typing this, but let me add, if they cant arrest you THEY cant refuse to let you go in your house. and if they cant arrest you, or giveprobable cause to detain you, you can ask them to leave the premises or face criminal trespass charges




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Anonymous

Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!!!! [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #838137 - 08/23/02 10:28 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Good post. I seriously think someone should take that post and make it its own sticky, so people know how to exercise their rights and stand up to the police.

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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!!!! [Re: Killa420]
    #838145 - 08/23/02 10:36 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

It would be interesting to know how they got ahold of your address on the net AND How in the hell did they know right at the second you had illegal substances........ To just come to your house and straight up say "WE KNOW YOU HAVE ILLEGAL SHIT AND WE WANT TO LOOK AROUND" is kind of strange..... Even if they did suspect you were growing shrooms it beats me as to why they did this unless they had a feeling they would get lucky and they KNEW they couldn't get a search warrent because otherwise why would they come without one...... It is very odd....... I'd still kinda suspect someone you knew in real life might've narced on you..... Did your sister know ? How many people knew you had stuff right then and there at that point in time ? Anybody gossiping that they knew this dude who grew shrooms..... Its a wonder they didn't confiscate your comp....... Also just because the cops said they got you from the internet doesn't mean anything because they lie all of the time...... altho it is interesting.....

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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!!!! [Re: Killa420]
    #838150 - 08/23/02 10:40 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry to hear that.
I have been harassed by the cops before, and they have allways assumed guilt (which is, surprisingly, to the opposite of our legal system.. ) when there was none! They have done their best to arrest me and have failed every time, only furthering my general dislike of them.
best of luck with the system.


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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!!!! [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #838152 - 08/23/02 10:41 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Great post ChromeCrow!

"desert eagle .50 through the front door, through the kevlar, through the swine, nothing but exit hole. "

Thats the best/funniest/happiest/truest statement iv ever heard im my life....


Now this is why i made myself a safty time. I calculated than i can flush EVERYTHING in 8 minutes withough anyone at the windows seeing. All that would be left is 2 containers and a few syringes filled with bleach.

Sorry to hear of your misfortune, good luck in court!!
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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!!!! [Re: dilatedcreature]
    #838155 - 08/23/02 10:42 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!! [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #838173 - 08/23/02 10:57 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

i just got 1 thing to say fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk the fuckin cops im on house arrest come get me u mutha fuckers !!!!!!!!! im growin shrooms all in my house come get me u bastards

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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!! [Re: ] * 1
    #838196 - 08/23/02 11:16 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

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Well I have some very shitty news. Last night I get a knock at my door and when I opened it, metro ask me to step out on my porch





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They already had cops inside my house b/c my sister was over so they were already watching her in the house.




MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MIND!!!!!!! or at least get your lies straight before you post






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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!!!! [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #838200 - 08/23/02 11:18 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

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NORML FREEDOM CARD
i hereby invoke and refuse to waive all of the following rights and privilages afforded to me by the U.S.constitution
i invoke and refuse to waive my fifth amendment right to remain silent. DO not ask me any questions
i invoke and refuse to waive my sixth amenment right to an attorney of choice.DO not ask me any questions without my attorney present.
i invoke and refuse to waiveall privileges and rights pursuant to the case of Miranda V. Arizona . DO not ask me any questions or make any comment about this decision.
i invoke and refuse to waive my fourth amendment right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. i do not consent to any search or seizure of myself, my home, or of any property in my possesion. DO not ask me about my ownership interest in any property. i do not consent to this contact with you. if i am not under arrest,or under investigatory detention,please allow me to leave
any statement i make, or alleged consent i give, in responce to your questions is hereby made under protest and under duress and in submission to your claim of lawful authority to force me to provide you with information.





I suggest that people print this out, and keep it in there wallet.
I suggest that people print this out, and tape it to the wall next to your front door.
I suggest that people print this out, and keep it on the dashboard of there car.

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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!!!! [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #838204 - 08/23/02 11:21 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

norml has it in a nice lil pdf file.


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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!!!! [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #838220 - 08/23/02 11:37 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

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They then told me that they know I have illegal narcotics in my and if I dont cooperate that I would really be screwed so I went ahead and said to search.





that's what fucked you right there dude. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER consent to a search if you have something to hide. Keep your mouth shut. Citizens do have many rights, and the need for a search warrent to enter you propery is one of them. they had no probable cause to enter your house, and no reason to detain you while they "try" to get a warrent....

I hate to say it but you kind of fucked yourself on that one....... Good luck with the charges.

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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!!!! [Re: internetraver]
    #838226 - 08/23/02 11:39 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry for the post, I got a little lost in my computer for a munute.............5 things going on at once............

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Post deleted by Moe Howard [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #838236 - 08/23/02 11:46 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)


Edited by guitarguy (08/23/02 11:56 AM)

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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!! [Re: ]
    #838255 - 08/23/02 11:56 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

c'mon people, this doesnt add up.

i was taken for a minute too. but something didnt seem right.
so i read n' reread every post he made on the issue.
besides the fact he was popped from the net, and they didnt take his puter.
look a couple post above, he cant even decide if they was in the house watching his sister, or they came knocking on his door, asking him to step outside.
one thing i am pretty sure off, killa was VERY bored this afternoon.
but ya cant bullshit a bullshitter.


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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!! [Re: ]
    #838263 - 08/23/02 12:01 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

I dont think it quite adds up. If you said no, they wouldnt have been able to get a warrent. If they were able to get one, they would have had one. If they were form The Shroomery, they would already know how cultivation worked, wouldnt they? I think "maybe not", "it might not have been them who actually traced you, they are just doing the dirty work" but if they dont have a warrent, and knew you were cultivating, why would they take the risk of goign to your house, asking you, and having you say no, then hide everything. Do you sell any drugs, or buy them? You might have been targeted by someone local, for something like weed or whatnot.... Shrug.

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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!! [Re: tak_old]
    #838274 - 08/23/02 12:07 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Seems strange.. We dont know alot about him, though. Someone who knew/dealt with him may have got caught and ratted him out to save themselves.. Cops dont give a damn what they tell anyone, they could've easily lied..

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Re: FUCKING BUSTED!!!!! BE CAREFULL EVERYONE!!!!! [Re: tak_old]
    #838279 - 08/23/02 12:09 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

>> Ya'll dont understand the cops around here. They are fucking dick heads. They would not let me inside my house, they already had 2 cops in my house b/c my sister had come over just to stop by before they showed up so they were watching her inside the house. They told me they would put me in the car untill they got the search warrant.

We all understand the cops around there. They are the same here, and where he lives, and everyone else. They know if they let you go you will flush them. They will do anythign to hold you back, but you ARE legally allowed to go if you arnt under arrest. If they dont let you go, or lock you up, then they got a lawsuit on thier hands.

We all know its hard, you feel intimidated, and the cops will manipulate you, and you feel even more guilty saying no than you so yes. It is YOU being a nice guy, and them turning around and fucking your entire life up because you were nice. Not saying you need to be mean, but know your right, and better yet, practise them.

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