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Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print!
    #8365655 - 05/05/08 06:30 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

These are the only real Psilocybe caerulipes pics i've been able to find online.
Hopefully this will help clear up some of the confusion with ovoideocystidiata.
Notice the small stature of caerulipes.
The last two pics are from western Massachusetts 2003.
Anyone else got pics of Blue-foot?

I've updated some of info in the wiki..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_caerulipes





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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8365967 - 05/05/08 08:11 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Are you sure about those last two? Which thread are they from?


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8365987 - 05/05/08 08:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Just found this one in NJ today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![image]http://[/image]


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures [Re: Dishez]
    #8366158 - 05/05/08 09:17 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

nice dishez are those potent never tried em. I usually just eat weiliis/subbs/cubes.:grin:


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures [Re: Dishez]
    #8366172 - 05/05/08 09:20 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

That looks like ovoideocystidiata Dishez.
notice the much larger stature not to mention its way to early for the real Blue-foot.
Some of the confusion comes from the fact that there is so few real blue-foot photos, the first photo shows caerulipes at its largest fruiting size, but still much smaller next to ovoideocystidiata.
The close-up photo makes them appear larger than they really are.
ovoideocystidiata will grow over 2 inches easy.
caurulipes will max out at 1.5 inches and are much thinner.
If you saw these two species next to each other, it would be easy to tell them apart.
They are not even in the same section.

here is the link to the last two caerulipes pictures.

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/Blue-Foot%20Psilocybe.html


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8366211 - 05/05/08 09:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Ah ok i guess its ovoideocystidiata. Still very cool to have found though, I think its a first time NJ "Blue Foot" find as far as shroomery forums are concerned!
To answer your question weilii, Ive never tried them...i doubt this is enough for anything, im just happy i can add the dried specimen to my collection!


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures [Re: Dishez]
    #8366233 - 05/05/08 09:35 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, nice find!
I think we should call them false blue-foots.
Nice false Blue-foot, i think that is the first for NJ.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures [Re: Dishez]
    #8366234 - 05/05/08 09:36 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

if its fresh that should be enough to get a decent little trip trust me ive eaten 1 weilii on the larger side and had a very strong trip. Ya never know try i say, fresh caps are always stronger.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8366292 - 05/05/08 09:48 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Let us know if you come across Psilocybe graveolens, it hasn't been seen in about 50 years or so.
I think the original find in NJ, was the only one, ever.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8366415 - 05/05/08 10:25 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Holy shit warrior...I found something the other day that very well might have been graveolens...i had never seen anything like it and just decided to pass it by because right next to it was my first ever subb find. after reading the very little bit of info on here it matches quite well except for the fact that it didnt blue, its cap was primariliy green/brown, and its gills were yellow at the time, but they could have just been far from maturity. Im probably completely wrong in even considering the possibility...actually please, somebody tell me im wrong so that i dont have to drive back out asap to get some random mushroom that might not even be there anymore. Im in obsessed hunter mode.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures [Re: Dishez]
    #8366491 - 05/05/08 10:44 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

graveolens will have a strong odor.




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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures [Re: Dishez]
    #8366546 - 05/05/08 10:59 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Holy shit warrior...I found something the other day that very well might have been graveolens...i had never seen anything like it and just decided to pass it by because right next to it was my first ever subb find. after reading the very little bit of info on here it matches quite well except for the fact that it didnt blue, its cap was primarily green/brown, and its gills were  yellow at the time, but they could have just been far from maturity. Im probably completely wrong in even considering the possibility...actually please, somebody tell me im wrong so that i dont have to drive back out asap to get some random mushroom that might not even be there anymore. Im in obsessed hunter mode.


im in obsessed hunter mode all the time...LOL...best way to be man, keeps you on your toes. Peace:grin:


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8391811 - 05/12/08 09:50 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Next person to post another "real" caerulipes picture, gets Falbino or PF Redspore print, your choice!
one print for every picture you post.. i have other strains to choose from also.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8391848 - 05/12/08 10:07 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

now it says that caerulipes only fruit in fall like from october to november which isn't a huge range given that they look like most other LBM's anyway I got some info on a place they thrive at about 6000 ft elevation I'll probably get dressed up for halloween and go run around the woods up there one day SWEET! anyway anyone think they could fruit in april - may I mean at 6000 ft the temp is gonna be about 5degrees cooler. If so I might go check it out at the end of this week seeing as how it's been raining for 3 days and supposed to rain for 4 more. some how my camera is harder to find than mushrooms at the moment oh well ciao!


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8391864 - 05/12/08 10:15 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

tho they are from mycotopia
I hope these count for images
llamabox collected these in april of 04






Too bad I cant seem to find pics of shroomydans blue foot finds ...he had some great luck when it came to finding this rare psilocybe


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: RandomHero]
    #8391901 - 05/12/08 10:30 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Those are ovoidocystidiata also.
all pics by shroomydan are ovoideocystidiata.
I also won't accept Smith's 1958 b&w photo that MJ has on his site, the phenotype is too different.

caerulipes season is from august to october.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8391907 - 05/12/08 10:34 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

what was llamabox's general area to find those one website says that Caerulipes fruit from mid-may all the way to November saying they are a summer/fall mushroom but every other site I've found says that they are fall strictly... fucking bluefoots I should go talk to the Cherokee's and see if they know some sacred locations


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: RandomHero]
    #8391935 - 05/12/08 10:56 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

ohh too bad i was thinking those wheere caerulipides but shroomydan only found ovoideocystidiata, look the ring in the stems , seem there are few people that really collect this ones ,


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: cactu]
    #8392008 - 05/12/08 11:35 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I'll raise the prize to 3 prints(your choice)for each pic.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8392016 - 05/12/08 11:40 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

-20/060679231-thumb_caerulipes3c.jpg[/image]pes_habitat3.jpg[/image][/url]


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8392020 - 05/12/08 11:42 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

youll see on the link who's they are sorry for whoever i got em from i forgot but like i said click the link do these count.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8392047 - 05/12/08 11:52 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8392060 - 05/12/08 11:59 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

also from bugger-20/060787489-760506865-thumb_dude7.jpg]


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    #8392062 - 05/12/08 12:00 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

PM if these help/win:grin:


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8392166 - 05/12/08 12:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry, but the caps are too large, at over 2 inches.
i am familiar with these photos..June 1st is a little too early for blue-foot, most likely ovoideosistidiata.
MJ was to have an SEM done but i don't think anyones heard from him about it.
Do you have the link to the original thread?
Thanks.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8392610 - 05/12/08 02:50 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Crappy pics,but i think these may be caerulipes,correct me if im wrong.I find them every late summer,fall in SwPa.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: avidpicker]
    #8392793 - 05/12/08 03:39 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I've seen your photos also avidpicker..
It's very hard to tell from your photos, but if you can get a print to workman, i'll give you 6 prints just for your effort.

Please include more info on your find..
date, habitat, stem color, etc..
are all the margins incurved?

the stipe on caerulipes will start out whitish and become dingy brown as they get older.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8392972 - 05/12/08 04:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry no prints,yet.I find these every year though.I usually find them from mid July thru November.
Habitat-Always along side of a creek that runs through a narrow valley,no more than 20feet from the creek.Found growing on birch and maple wood debris,leaves also, in a very well shaded area.Heres a shot of the habitat
Cap-grayish-brown,bruising almost instantly when handled.incurved margins were the young ones,fully matured caps were convex, no bigger than a nickel.
Gills-crowded,adnate,young ones were a light whiteish brown,older ones were a dark cinnamon brown.
Stem-whiteish-gray,also bruising upon handling,hollow.
no unusual smell was noticed.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: avidpicker]
    #8393074 - 05/12/08 04:47 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

It does sound promising..
I'll give you 3 prints now, and 3 when you get a print, if you agree to send a sample to workman for examination, pm me for the list of strains.


The offer is still open for more caerulipes pics.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8393177 - 05/12/08 05:22 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

there is one in the work of gaston ,john and gartz the geografical distribution os psilocybes around the world


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: cactu]
    #8393233 - 05/12/08 05:43 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks cactu, I'm not allowing that photo, thats the smith photo from the 1950's
It shows mushrooms with campanulate caps, and isn't part of the description for caerulipes.
so i'm not counting that particular photo as valid.

Stamets does have a couple pics from "Psilocybe Mushrooms of the World" i would allow..


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8393394 - 05/12/08 06:30 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

that photo is indeed Ps. caerulipes


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    #8393420 - 05/12/08 06:36 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4242624#Post4242624
#4242624heres your proof and if thats not enough check my post before in this thread those are smaller as well. But these are for sure Ps. Caerulipes just cuz they dont look like yours does not mean they are not. Magics take many forms and arent always one size.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8393651 - 05/12/08 07:47 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4242624#Post4242624
^^^this post is ps. ovoideocystidiata from my perspective. I'm pretty familiar with them.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4439509
^^^This post looks nothing like ovoids but I have never seen caerulipes so I can't say for sure, but its a good bet it is.


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    #8393876 - 05/12/08 08:59 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

lizardkings post is caerulipes for a fact i know i talked too him back when he picked those.


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    #8393940 - 05/12/08 09:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry but none match, all to big and wavy..


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8394292 - 05/12/08 10:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

same species as the other post he had.
i admire your tenacity though.
free prints just for tryin!
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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8395602 - 05/13/08 08:47 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

my offer still stands.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: weiliiiiiii]
    #8404756 - 05/15/08 12:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)


just to bump the thread , i like to see pictures of this specie too.


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    #8404912 - 05/15/08 01:13 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Where is that pic from?


Looks interesting


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    #8404969 - 05/15/08 01:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

FL

think that ones cool?...ive never seen another like this, and no one can tell me what it is...




whats the first one? print was black


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: just me]
    #8405953 - 05/15/08 06:23 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

this one had a black print
then is a panaeolus maybe subbalteatus i see some dung there can you confirm that

this one is panus critinus is a very hard mushrooms and grow always in logs ,

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    #8405991 - 05/15/08 06:35 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

YOU DA MAN CACTU!!!

that one was so weird, it was rock hard and hairy...

the other one, i dont really know that it had a black print. i saw black spores in the tackle box i put it in, but they really couldve been from any of the other mush i had in there too...

that was poo(i think) that was VERY composted with leaf litter om top of it with a big palm frond over it...

i know that doesnt narrow it down any,,,,maybe made it harder...:shrug:


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: just me]
    #8406354 - 05/15/08 08:27 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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YOU DA MAN CACTU!!!

that one was so weird, it was rock hard and hairy...

look like  this ones maybe
this are from Nicaragua

this are from Mexico






the other one, i dont really know that it had a black print. i saw black spores in the tackle box i put it in, but they really couldve been from any of the other mush i had in there too...

that was poo(i think) that was VERY composted with leaf litter om top of it with a big palm frond over it...

i know that doesnt narrow it down any,,,,maybe made it harder...:shrug:
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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: cactu]
    #8406405 - 05/15/08 08:39 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

das dem...

ok so no blue foot?

no WINNER!!! for me...


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: just me]
    #8410442 - 05/16/08 08:06 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry, looks like pan.
Nice pic Cactu, its a wider view of first pic i posted.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8411160 - 05/17/08 12:11 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

These are not caerulipes,

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/Blue-Foot%20Psilocybe.html

These are not conocybes,

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/Brown%20Dunce%20Cap.html

This is not a Lentinellus,

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/Cockle%20Shell%20Lentinus.html

These are not orange mycena,

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/Orange%20Mycena%201.html

These are not Rosy Gomphidius

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/rosy%20gomphidius.html

Concybe?,

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/Tufted.html

Melanoleuca?

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/Yellow.html

Last but not least, anyone care to name this mushroom?

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/Russula%20Paludosa.html

And how sure are you that first picture was correctly identified? Do you know who took it? Are you sure they could tell the difference between ovoid... and caerulipes.

And why did they put them on that dried up old log when they took the picture?


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: falcon]
    #8411192 - 05/17/08 12:24 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

theres a great pic of em in psilocybe mushrooms of the world by Paul staments the pic posted at the top of this page and another which is much better real bluefoot pic.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: falcon]
    #8411204 - 05/17/08 12:30 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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These are not caerulipes,

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/Blue-Foot%20Psilocybe.html

These are not conocybes,

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/Brown%20Dunce%20Cap.html

This is not a Lentinellus,

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/Cockle%20Shell%20Lentinus.html

These are not orange mycena,

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/Orange%20Mycena%201.html

These are not Rosy Gomphidius

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/rosy%20gomphidius.html

Concybe?,

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/Tufted.html

Melanoleuca?

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/Yellow.html

Last but not least, anyone care to name this mushroom?

http://www.bio.brandeis.edu/fieldbio/jackel/Russula%20Paludosa.html

And how sure are you that first picture was correctly identified? Do you know who took it? Are you sure they could tell the difference between ovoid... and caerulipes.

And why did they put them on that dried up old log when they took the picture?




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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: falcon]
    #8411230 - 05/17/08 12:38 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

The picture you are asking about on the log is from Stamets - Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World, I assume it is correct. You never know though. I am not sure here is another one from Stamet's book


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    #8411241 - 05/17/08 12:41 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

That's the same picture, I think Stamet's picture is the same one that is in the Lincoff's Audubon Field Guide. I loaned my Stamet's book and can't find my Field Guide or I'd take a look at the picture credits.

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    #8411258 - 05/17/08 12:44 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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theres a great pic of em in psilocybe mushrooms of the world by Paul staments the pic posted at the top of this page and another which is much better real bluefoot pic.




I didn't read your post before I posted, is the above picture what you are talking about?


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: DannyGlick]
    #8411259 - 05/17/08 12:44 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Ha! the Brandeis site is a hoot.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: jeverden]
    #8411265 - 05/17/08 12:47 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

The mushroom in the middle foreground looks like it has a veil on the lower stem.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: jeverden]
    #8411268 - 05/17/08 12:48 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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theres a great pic of em in psilocybe mushrooms of the world by Paul staments the pic posted at the top of this page and another which is much better real bluefoot pic.




I didn't read your post before I posted, is the above picture what you are talking about?


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    #8411279 - 05/17/08 12:50 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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That's the same picture, I think Stamet's picture is the same one that is in the Lincoff's Audubon Field Guide. I loaned my Stamet's book and can't find my Field Guide or I'd take a look at the picture credits.

Anyone know who took the picture of that mushroom or identified it?




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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: DannyGlick]
    #8411301 - 05/17/08 12:55 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

:smile: Thanks.


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    #8411425 - 05/17/08 01:31 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Falcon do you still want to see the book. Tell me somewhere to post it and I will post a pdf of it.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: falcon]
    #8411987 - 05/17/08 06:45 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Jeverden that IS a blue-foot photo!:thumbup:
pm me for your prints..
The pic is from Stamets book, and is a wider view of the photo in Lincoff's guide.


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    #8412290 - 05/17/08 11:39 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I am ok on the prints. I have no safe place to view them right now, as my apartment complex has monthly inspections.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: jeverden]
    #8414139 - 05/17/08 09:40 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Falcon do you still want to see the book.

Thanks for the offer jeverden, I'll be getting the Stamets book back soon though, and the Lincoff is probably buried under a mound of books.


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    #8414986 - 05/18/08 01:33 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Crud, the little whities with orangish cap-centers I found in the woods today just might be the fabled P. caerulipes...Do they have brown spores without obvious purple-tinge? I'm scared of accidently dying from eating pale Galerinas...

I checked their spores, which were brownish, smooth, and elliptical, which doesn't rule out the Galerinas.

One of the mushrooms had a fleshy base that was "rusted copper green" in parts; has anyone seen anything like that at the base of mushrooms? Perhaps it could be due to algal growth?


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    #8415010 - 05/18/08 01:38 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

sound bad dude


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    #8415028 - 05/18/08 01:41 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, that was my feeling. I'm going to search for more specimens and get a better spore print since the one I did obtain was faint.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: N2loma]
    #8415326 - 05/18/08 03:38 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

These deadly galerinas appear to have blue staining at the stem bases. Probably just an illusion though.

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    #8429527 - 05/21/08 06:19 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Here's some. :wink:



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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #8429535 - 05/21/08 06:20 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Nice! Those are perfect!


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: CureCat]
    #8429562 - 05/21/08 06:26 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Are these your pics?got anymore?
please give details of the find.

man those are beauties!:cool:


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8429595 - 05/21/08 06:37 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It's definitely his photo.


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    #8429734 - 05/21/08 07:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

would love to see more photos and hear about your find!
On closer inspection, the caps are a little thick and you can see a faint ring on the stem.

You can really see how someone might confuse the two species,with so little real bluefoot photos to compare.
i'm going to say these are ovoideocystidiata, the tell tale wave in the cap is what i first noticed.. did you just find them?


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    #8429771 - 05/21/08 07:21 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not at all convinced the "real" bluefoot photos are really bluefoot, whatever that means.

I suspect you could find a "ring" like that on the stems of any species of wood-loving Psilocybe.


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    #8429797 - 05/21/08 07:26 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)



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    #8429925 - 05/21/08 08:02 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

hey i'd love for you to prove me wrong..
those look like something i havent seen before..
please update size and season.
the caps are simply to thick to be caerulipes.
from the looks of the updated pics it may even be a new species..i havent seen ovoids quite like that.

they do seem to have a greenish hue to them like caerulipes.
really nice find regardless.

It will be interesting to hear what others have to say.
I would send a sample to workman.

So you question the photos of Gary Lincoff and Paul Stamets.
Thats bold, on what basis?


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    #8429995 - 05/21/08 08:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

This was marked as Psilocybe caerulipes found by a mycologist in Quebec, found on september 16 2006.


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    #8430033 - 05/21/08 08:34 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I would trust AJ if he says those are Ovoids.

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So you question the photos of Gary Lincoff and Paul Stamets.
Thats bold, on what basis?



Dude, Stamets doesn't check his shit nearly as often as he should! He even admitted to sometimes claiming things as fact (despite lack of evidence) on the basis of a "feeling".

He thinks that the unidentified mushroom we have in the Bay Area, California, is Ps. cyanofibrillosa, regardless of the large body of evidence that opposes his position. He told TONS of people, even during a public lecture, that they WERE Ps. cyanofibrillosa and that HE brought them to California from Washington!! What Bullshit!

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    #8430118 - 05/21/08 08:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

AJ, have you done any microscopy on that collection? Do you think it is different from your other Ohio collections? The difference between caerulipes and ovoideocystidiata should be pretty easy to spot by the shape of the spores.

Roy, that photo is amazing. I have definitely not seen that species before. Where did you find that image?


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    #8430137 - 05/21/08 09:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

CureCat, I trust nothing but scientific proof.
do you have a beef with Gary Lincoff also?
what basis do you have a problem with these particular photos?
I think all mycologist are wrong from time to time..it goes with the territory.

Roy, do you have a link?
those look similar to quebecensis and baeocystis from the section aztecorum.Oddly similar to my find in maine last year.

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    #8430150 - 05/21/08 09:12 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

>I trust nothing but scientific proof.

Good!!



>do you have a beef with Gary Lincoff also?

No, I've never met him.



>what basis do you have a problem with the photos?

None, I don't even know what photos you're talking about, I was simply giving a warning.



>I think all mycologist are wrong from time to time..it goes with the territory.

Yes, they are. That is a fact. Paul is just wrong a lot more of the time, and gets mad if you confront him on anything. Getting emotional over questioning is NOT the mark of a good scientist!!! He should welcome and consider a challenge, and argue with fact, not petty insults! He would be a lot less wrong a lot less of the time if he backed up his statements with evidence.


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    #8430301 - 05/21/08 10:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)



They are ovoids. :wink: I just didn't want to see this thread die.



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AJ, have you done any microscopy on that collection?  Do you think it is different from your other Ohio collections? The difference between caerulipes and ovoideocystidiata should be pretty easy to spot by the shape of the spores.






I have not done any microscopy work on this spring's collections, but I plan to. Those SEM images you sent me are Amazing :thumbup:. I have been hunting Ohio all spring and collecting specimens and spore prints for herbarium deposit. At some point in the future I want to compare their microscopic and possibly genetic features. I'm hoping to find a gradient in something like spore shape or size that corresponds to geographic distribution.

I think it possible that one species bleeds into another as is the case with some kinds of birds. See Ring Species.

The problem so far with comparing these to caerulipes is the lack of a good photos for comparison. I have only seen drawings of the caerulipes spores.

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    #8430371 - 05/21/08 10:23 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

ahh.. just keeping me on my toes eh?
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    #8430574 - 05/21/08 11:16 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think your attempts to bridge caerulipes and ovoideocystidiata are a little misguided.
it pretty well established they are not close.

Maybe if they were in the same section you could see some gradient.

A morphological change in spore shape, of the type your suggesting, within two species, from seperate sections,
is highly unlikely.
you would first have to prove they are both in the same section.
how are you making this leap?


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    #8431066 - 05/22/08 01:02 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

P. ovoideocystidiata is in section Stuntzae and P. caerulipes is in section Semilanceatae according to Guzman.

They are pretty far apart according to The Genus Psilocybe page 75.



I am not sure about the placement of P. caerulipes there. I asked Peter Werner what he thought of that and he didn't believe me when I told him that Guzman put P. caerulipes into section Semilanceatae. According to the key to sections on page 79, its in Semilanceatae because of the lack of pleurocystidia. Of course its not just that, its that it has no pleurocystidia and didn't match any of the things in the key above it. Seems to me like it falls in there because it didn't fall into any of his other buckets, not because it is anything like P. semilanceata.

Reading through the key to sections, a lot of the deciding factors seem kind of arbitrary.


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    #8431951 - 05/22/08 08:53 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I think it also had something do do with the thin shape and size.
I cant wait till someone maps the all genes of the different psilocybes.

You can somewhat see the crossover gradient from section Semilanceatae to section Aztecorum in species like P. venenata and caerulipes.


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    #8431964 - 05/22/08 09:01 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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warriorsoul said:
I think your attempts to bridge caerulipes and ovoideocystidiata are a little misguided.
it pretty well established they are not close.

Maybe if they were in the same section you could see some gradient.

A morphological change in spore shape, of the type your suggesting, within two species, from seperate sections,
is highly unlikely.
you would first have to prove they are both in the same section.
how are you making this leap?






I think your attempt to present yourself as an expert is a little misguided.

The species problem is bigger than mycology, and it is certainly bigger than the genus Psilocybe. There are philosophical problems with the morphological species concept, and there are scientific problems with Darwin's tree model. If the tree model is inaccurate, then a phylogenetic taxonomy based on it will also be inaccurate.

Even if the tree model is good enough, wich seems unlikely in light of introgressive hybridization and horizontal gene transfer, as Allan pointed out, cladistic groupings often seem arbitrary. Phylogenetic groupings are hypotheses only. They are inferences about the history of evolution, educated guesses about what happened a really long time ago. Our hypotheses, and therefore our taxonomies are subject to change as more empirical evidence becomes available and as our theory of evolution becomes more robust.

I don't have time to go into it now.

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    #8432009 - 05/22/08 09:26 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

lol. that almost sounded believable.
expert? why thank you.

instead of making arbitrary statements, that attempt to challenge Darwin, maybe you should start smaller and try to back up your earlier claims.

nice ovoids.


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    #8432148 - 05/22/08 10:34 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The picture came from a collection of species identified by mycologists in Quebec, it had no info about it just the picture the name and the date, the picture i have is larger and clearer, looking over it the only description of caerulipes and quebecensis i can find is from Stamets book, and the white stem slightly brown at the base, umbo on the cap with veil remnants on the edge, bruising mostly at the base, makes me think it is caerulipes, the only thing it lacks is fibrils on the stem and a green hue. With the scale you can see it fits both and is smaller than baeocystis, im not sure how large your finds from Maine were.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: Roy]
    #8432212 - 05/22/08 11:17 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_caerulipes

What book are they from?
Although i don't think they are the same species as my find, they do have the "bottle cap" look of baeocystis, as well as a brittle looking, rather than the tough looking stem of caerulipes and distinctive rhizomorphs at the base of the stipe similar to that of the section  aztecorum. But they may be caerulipes.lol
They look very interesting..
I'm hoping Workman chimes in on this.
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    #8432504 - 05/22/08 01:09 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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lol. that almost sounded believable.
expert? why thank you.

instead of making arbitrary statements, that attempt to challenge Darwin, maybe you should start smaller and try to back up your earlier claims.





Mushroom taxonomy has been in a state of flux since Linnaeus started the project 250 years ago. Each new theoretical and methodological change in mycology brings with it a new taxonomy. Darwin was not a god. He was a scientist who made a huge contribution to biology, but the story does not end with him.


Two questions to consider:

What is a species?

Until you have some answer to this question it does not make much since to say such and such is this species or that species.


Why can't anybody find Psilocybe caerulipes in the north eastern USA when all the field guides say it is suposed to be here?

The discription of P. caerulipes is a solid match for the small thin stemmed specimens of P. ovoideocystidiata, right down to the barely perceptible annular zone. Only the microscopic features differ, and with no good microscopy photos a P. caerulipes for comparison, nor any reason to suspect that microscopic features remain constant from population to population, the distinction is suspect.

Furthermore, note Stamets' habitat description:

"Solitary to cespitose on hardwoood slash and debris, and on or about decaying hardwood logs, especially along river systems... Widely distributed east of the Great plains, throughout the Midwestern and Eastern United States... in woodlands where it is known, fruiting tends to persist for years."

This matches P. ovoideocystidiata precisely. The only difference is the fruiting times, but anybody who has been hunting mushrooms for a while knows that they often fruit out of season, and sometimes fail to fruit in the expected season.

Why can't folks find P. caerulipes, but instead find P. ovoideocystidiata in all the places P. caerulipes is supposed to be?

As for the part about the morphological species concept, no two specimens of anything are exactly similar morphologically. There will always be some difference (macro, micro, or molecular) between any two specimens, so morphological analysis must be applied within the context of some theory of species. Otherwise, any difference in two specimens can be used to justify a species level split. Taken to its furthest extreme, pure morphological analysis leads to each thing being its own species, and that is not a desired outcome. Consequently, some theory of species must be employed to determine which features are essential for inclusion in the class of things denoted by the species epithet.

This leads back to the original question: What is a species?


As for the problem with Darwin's tree model, I mentioned  introgressive hybridization and horizontal gene transfer.  Both of these accomplish an anastomosis between evolutionary lineages.

Anastomosis is a driving force in evolution that Darwin did not recognize, so it was not included in his tree model. 

Cladistic models like the one posted above also fail to account for evolutionary anastomosis, and if anastomosis is a driving force in evolution, as the relevant literature from the last ten years indicates, then the old models and taxonomies based on them are invalid.

There you have it.
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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #8432586 - 05/22/08 01:48 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Thats all great to know..but your not changing the tree just refining it, even if two species can reconnect it doesn't change the laws of evolution.

caerulipes is rare.. and i think some of the discription from ovoideocystidita(a new species) has been bled into somewhat, until you find an ovoid that has spores shaped like caerulipes this is all just conjecture on your part. there is no basis.
one thing you haven't addressed is the season difference and the obvious size difference between the two species.
I think Guzman would have been the first to point out any similarity's between the two species.

but he didnt, he put it in different sections.

what is a species?
a species is one of the basic units of biological classification and a taxonomic rank. A species is often defined as a group of organisms capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring. While in many cases this definition is adequate, more precise or differing measures are often used, such as based on similarity of DNA or morphology. Presence of specific locally adapted traits may further subdivide species into subspecies.

I believe DNA maping will eventually give us all the answers we are looking for in regards to the evolutionary history of these two distinct species.

I started this thread specifically to help get to the bottom of this very question.
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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8432707 - 05/22/08 02:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

>Why can't folks find P. caerulipes, but instead find P. ovoideocystidiata in all the places P. caerulipes is supposed to be?

Thats not exactly true..
are they finding ovoids from maine to mexico?

If ovoids are caerulipes.. i guess they cant be considered rare anymore.

None of this strikes me as remotely possible.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #8432793 - 05/22/08 02:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

>I think your attempt to present yourself as an expert is a little misguided.

Personal attacks don't make a very good case. He never claimed to be an expert, and his questions are good ones.



>There are philosophical problems with the morphological species concept

Philosophical?? I'm not sure philosophy can legitimately be applied to understanding morphological species concepts. Science works far better at explaining these things.



>The species problem is bigger than mycology, and it is certainly bigger than
>the genus Psilocybe.

> -and there are scientific problems with Darwin's tree model. If the tree model
>is inaccurate, then a phylogenetic taxonomy based on it will also be inaccurate.

Wait up! Speaking of philosophy- what about logic? Your argument is fallacious. Modus Ponens, man.

You can't say that just because the original framework of classification has problems, that all of our studies and understanding of relationships between organisms since then are totally null.



>as Allan pointed out, cladistic groupings often seem arbitrary.

Specific clades may be poorly defined, as seems the case with some of Guzman's sections, however, cladistics has no set of standard criteria for defining it's groups which is very good, because nature often lacks consistency and the same rules cannot be applied to every organism or group of organisms, however, it also leaves a lot of room for people to be sloppy and make unwarranted generalizations or separations. That does not mean that the concept of clades is a bad one.


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    #8433424 - 05/22/08 05:34 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

>I think your attempt to present yourself as an expert is a little misguided.

Personal attacks don't make a very good case. He never claimed to be an expert, and his questions are good ones.




Quote:

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I think your attempts to bridge caerulipes and ovoideocystidiata are a little misguided.
it pretty well established they are not close.






I was not a personal attack CureCat. It was a piece of advise for him in response to his piece of advise for me.




>There are philosophical problems with the morphological species concept

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Philosophical?? I'm not sure philosophy can legitimately be applied to understanding morphological species concepts. Science works far better at explaining these things.




The species problem is a central area of focus in Philosophy of Biology. The species problem is also a philosophy of language problem that because it deals with how we speak about natural kinds. There really is no strict line of demarcation between philosophy of science and theoretical science.

The problem with the morphological species concept is more philosophical than scientific, because the problem stems from the lack of a theoretical apparatus for drawing lines between species. Morphological analysis must be applied within the context of some other theory, or decisions about lumping and splitting become arbitrary.



>The species problem is bigger than mycology, and it is certainly bigger than
>the genus Psilocybe.

> -and there are scientific problems with Darwin's tree model. If the tree model
>is inaccurate, then a phylogenetic taxonomy based on it will also be inaccurate.

Wait up! Speaking of philosophy- what about logic? Your argument is fallacious. Modus Ponens, man.




I teach logic Kitten. :wink:
Point out my fallacy and I will correct it.


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You can't say that just because the original framework of classification has problems, that all of our studies and understanding of relationships between organisms since then are totally null.




I'm not arguing that all the work done in cladistics is null; inferring that humans are more closely related to dogs than to snakes because both human and dogs have four legs is a valid inference. Nor am I saying Darwin was totally wrong. I'm saying that there is a systemic problem with the old model of evolution because it does not account for all the evidence. Appeals to authority don't convince me when the authorities cited are using a flawed model of evolution.


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Specific clades may be poorly defined, as seems the case with some of Guzman's sections, however, cladistics has no set of standard criteria for defining it's groups which is very good, because nature often lacks consistency and the same rules cannot be applied to every organism or group of organisms, however, it also leaves a lot of room for people to be sloppy and make unwarranted generalizations or separations. That does not mean that the concept of clades is a bad one.




I think the concept of a clade can be very useful, in some situations, especially at the genus level and higher. It will become even more useful when the rules for constructing cladograms are modified to allow for hybridization and horizontal gene transfer.


I've said all I have to say for now. I hope you are well Curecat. :smile:

WS, I hope you find a "real" P. caerulipes. If you do, be sure to get SEM images of the spores.

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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #8439495 - 05/24/08 08:54 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Avidpicker should have his first finds around the end of June. He says they are a dead ringer for my cearulipes description.
aren't you excited?:grin:

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    #8447270 - 05/26/08 05:26 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

nope.
looks like a veil on the one thats knocked over.
It looks like a cube to me.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8447360 - 05/26/08 05:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8559259 - 06/24/08 07:38 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Hmmmm, so I wonder if the contest is still on :cool:

Found these today... they match your macroscopic description exactly, and look exactly like the pics you have, hell...theyre even growing on a leaf! Im trying to get a print right now but its not likely, they dried out quite a bit by the time I got home. Habitat was deciduous forest/swamp. Found in NJ. Let me know if you need any other info.





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    #8559280 - 06/24/08 07:48 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

FYI im not looking for an ID, these are being posted in response to the OP.


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    #8559284 - 06/24/08 07:49 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I thought it was still a bit early for bluefoot season.


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    #8559295 - 06/24/08 07:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Its not unheard of for mushrooms, or any other life form for that matter, to grow out of season. Im not disputing you though. Im only posting these because they match warriorsouls wiki exactly.


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Re: Psilocybe caerulipes Blue-foot Pictures win a print! [Re: Dishez]
    #8559334 - 06/24/08 08:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I think the gills are too light for the stage of development they are in and that you have a light spored species.


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    #8559353 - 06/24/08 08:17 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)


also the gill spacing is to wide, these seem to match mycena.

nice pics though..
yes the contest is still on.


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    #8559675 - 06/24/08 09:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I agree, these are not caerulipes, but I DO think they are the same species as the first pics you posted (not the ones from the NA feild Guide). I have a really strong feeling that the sight you found them on is incorrect. The stem has the same exact coloration, the caps have the same color/texture and id venture to say that they would have the same gills. Also, in the wiki description, it mentions that the gills are light tan becoming rust brown with age.


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    #8559824 - 06/24/08 10:11 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

no offense but..your speculating about the spore color.

A dark purple-brown spore print looks nothing like tan or white.
I doubt even an amateur mycologist would make that mistake.
also the stem coloration is not exactly the same, yours are darker.
your gills look salmon or peach colored.



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    #8559995 - 06/24/08 10:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Again, I agree.I am speculating and i know its not the most productive of approaches; I apologize about that. I referenced the gill color directly from the wiki site. which states "Gills: Close to crowded, narrow with adnate to sinuate to uncinate attachment. They are light brown at first, becoming rusty cinnamon as the spores mature, edges whitish and slightly fimbriate."


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    #8560072 - 06/24/08 11:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

BTW I respect your judgement warriorsoul. sorry if im coming across as an asshole. You're right, the stem coloration is darker in my pics.


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    #8560522 - 06/25/08 01:17 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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    #8561087 - 06/25/08 04:20 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Yep Mycena.:pantsfase:


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    #8561101 - 06/25/08 04:32 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

There are no Psilocybe caerulipes.Extinct.:yesnod:


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    #8561545 - 06/25/08 10:08 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

That is actually possible, but hopefully not too likely, caerulipes is widely distributed, that puts the odds of survival in its favour.

Your statement does highlight the need to collect and preserve any caerulipes finds.


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    #8561635 - 06/25/08 10:49 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It's not caerulipes, but what is it?
Date de cueillette = 2006.09.07 Récolté par Roland Labbé.
Odeur fortement raphanoïde.
Saveur non disponible.
Habitat = forêt de feuillus. Bord de route, parmi feuilles.
Sporée non disponible.
Spores mesurées sur spécimen = "environ" 7 x 9 µm
Pleurocystides nombreuses, avec *extrême apex à paroi parfois épaissie et plus foncée.
Cheilocystides très abondantes.
Basides tétrasporiques.

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date of collection sept 7, 2006  by Roland Labbé. Odor strongly raphanoïde. Savour nonavailable. Habitat = forest of leafy trees. Edge of road, among sheets. Sporée nonavailable. Spores measured on specimen = " environ" 7 X 9 µm Pleurocystides many, with *extrême apex with sometimes thickened and darker wall. Cheilocystides very abundant. Basides tetrasporic.


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    #8561874 - 06/25/08 12:17 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Warrior...theres no chance that the psilocybes you found last fall are caerulipes? im guessing its the size that eliminates that possibility?


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    #8561915 - 06/25/08 12:35 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

No chance..
The size as well as the shape of certain microscopic features are too different.


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    #8562148 - 06/25/08 01:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)



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    #8562592 - 06/25/08 03:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed, the short stem length 4.5 cm (max) matches well.
These are a nice addition to the few pics of quebecensis, you can really see the similarity to baeocystis.:thumbup:


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    #8563891 - 06/25/08 09:02 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Psilocybe quebecensis, section Aztecorum


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    #8565843 - 06/26/08 10:37 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i agree that the one you posted matches quebecensis, but i still dont think the second one, the one i posted before, is quebecensis it clearly doesnt have pale yellow cap, yellowish stem, and whitish flesh, what it is i dont know, but what makes you say it is quebecensis do you have microscope work for it?  The location it was found fits but not the description of it.


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    #8565915 - 06/26/08 11:08 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

The photo i put up are the same species and are from the same collections about a week apart.
the stems are the same as well as the rhizomorphic base.
The hygrophanous nature of the species is the reason for the lighter cap color.
they go from brown to straw yellow to grayish white as they lose water content and mature.





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    #8577604 - 06/29/08 04:54 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

May i present to you the real bluefoot.
Psilocybe caerulipes. enjoy :yesnod:
The contest is now closed, but feel free to add more real bluefoot pics to this thread.
look at these beauties. :cheers:

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    #8577637 - 06/29/08 05:05 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Woah.You find those man?Beautiful photo.:thumbup:


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    #8577639 - 06/29/08 05:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Are those yours or sumone else's pic from the web or something?


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    #8577667 - 06/29/08 05:16 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I found them on Flickr, but that in no way diminishes the significance of this find.
This single pic lays to rest all doubt about the  existence of caerulipes.Epic.
Not that i ever doubted.


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    #8577803 - 06/29/08 06:14 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

do you know where they were found?  and someone should do microscope work just to be sure


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    #8579824 - 06/30/08 09:18 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Find was in New York in september.

This is the end of a long process for me, it feels good to reach my goal.


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    #8579864 - 06/30/08 09:46 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

good for you  my friend  i have the same endeavour  with the psilocybes of Mexico and firt for my area . i need pictures and specimens of Ps. galindii, Ps. cordispora, and  the other , all variant of caerulescens , hoosgenii, yungensis, fagicola complex , mammillata ,muliercula,aztecorum,and many more  . well of course  there is in the list  the caerulipides , i know how good you fell i only had 2 in the list zapotecorum and villarealae , but are the only good pictures i have seem of the species , and a few no id yet maybe new species , good work hope you can find it  yourself some day , i hope so too for myself .


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    #8580563 - 06/30/08 04:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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LOOK WHAT I FOUND IN THE WOODS TODAY!!!

is this them???

do i win?

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    #8580575 - 06/30/08 05:00 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

you didnt find those, warrior found that pic on flickr a day or two ago


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    #8580576 - 06/30/08 05:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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    #8580622 - 06/30/08 05:14 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Awesome job finding the picture warrior. Now we should have a contest for the first person who finds an actual specimen


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    #8904934 - 09/10/08 01:28 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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May i present to you the real bluefoot.
Psilocybe caerulipes. enjoy :yesnod:
The contest is now closed, but feel free to add more real bluefoot pics to this thread.
look at these beauties. :cheers:

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Mad props to AJ, a taxonomist and a philosopher.  There's more than one way to skin a cat.  :lol:

So does this mean I don't get a print?

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    #8905587 - 09/10/08 07:20 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

For all your hard work you can have any of my prints..
hows my eastern baeocystis sound?;)


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    #8905827 - 09/10/08 09:36 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Nah man.  If I need something, I'll pm you.  That is a sweet sweet offer though.  I'm not half the worker you are.  You inspire me to try harder.  There's a short list here of people that impress the shit out of me and you're on it.

The Wikipedia article alone.  :bow:


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    #9298641 - 11/23/08 06:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, id say those pics of the ones on leafs, and from wiki, are a mycena or marasimus species.....Id be reall suprized to see gills like those drop purple brown spores.


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    #9299619 - 11/23/08 09:23 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Please try not to resurrect old threads unless you have a good reason for doing so. 

WarriorSoul isn't around right now, and I doubt those mushrooms are either.  There are tons of active threads, and the original poster might actually be around to respond.


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    #11930064 - 01/30/10 04:33 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

P Caerulipes
We have them in maine and i can usually find them in june thru august!
Really cool spicies,and there not rare here in maine!
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    #13213365 - 09/18/10 11:49 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

found these growing in hardwood debris of michigan


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    #13213812 - 09/18/10 02:09 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Nice find, those do appear to be P. caerulipes.


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found these growing in hardwood debris of michigan



im a noob but dont they look like foes?


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    #13214496 - 09/18/10 05:10 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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im a noob but dont they look like foes?





No.  Panaeolina foenisecii does not have a striate margin, is not hygrophanous, does not have wood attached to the base of the stem, and does not stain blue where damaged.


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    #13214508 - 09/18/10 05:12 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

nice find! I need to get out there!:mushroom2:


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    #13217834 - 09/19/10 01:28 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

yeah i was soo psyched to find them
it also took about half an hour to turn blue
heres a coupl e more pics


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