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OwMyHead
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Question on constructing an artificial self-contained outdoor patch
#8356560 - 05/03/08 02:03 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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SWIK apologises if this has been asked before; SWIK did search the forums but the problem with the search criteria is if someone used a different word then SWIK would have used, SWIK wouldn't see it.
SWIK needs to construct an artificial outdoor patch. By that, I mean SWIK doesn't have a yard to put his cakes in the ground, but wants/needs to put them outside.
What SWIK would like to do is put them either in a Sterilite container/large Tupperware on the porch, or an ENORMOUS terra cotta pot.
SWIK has 6 BRF (steamed, not PCd) cakes that appear to be contaminated with *SOMETHING*, and SWIK is not entirely sure what it is, and is also not entirely sure the cakes are "not growable", but whatever the hell it is, SWIK doesn't want it in his apartment and I vetod it coming into my house. (SWIK should probably point out here that he strongly suspects it is a byproduct of his abnormally hard tap water). Please bear in mind that this is his first attempt at a grow and SWIK is very green and gets easily confused. Simple is better (which is why he did PF for Simple Minds!)
SWIK was told to outdoor patch them, but he doesn't *have* an outdoor patch. He knows he doesn't want to fruit them inside because of the risks. But Sterilite is cheap and reasonably easy to conceal (whereas a randomly sprouted patch of mushrooms unique in the neighborhood would probably draw the unwanted attention of his maintenance guy, who would also completely ignore the Sterilite on the porch, which is disaster of epic proportions and randomly constructed shelving).
So . . . now SWIK needs to construct an artificial, self-contained outdoor patch.
SWIK is thinking opaque Sterilite with holes, potting soil (if it were being planted in the ground, there would be dirt!) and/or peat moss, with verm, spent coffee grounds (Starbucks on the corner told him he could have them — this is apparently a common request) and Black Kow.
It is not really all that important to him that these six cakes fruit. Ideally he'd like the experiment to have the highest chances of success given his unreasonable restrictions. If it works hell be over the moon, but if it doesn't he promises not to be heartbroken. At the same time, he doesn't want to spend an exorbitant amount of time, money or effort on this since he already strongly suspects the jars are contaminated. (1) He basically just wants to see if it works, and if it doesn't the whole lot of it'll go in the regular compost pile. (Um, assuming that's safe?)
He already has the following: Vermiculite, Diatomaceous Earth, Perlite, BRF, and some potting soil (of an indeterminate generic brand). He can easily get more potting soil and spent coffee grinds, and can probably get Black Kow (it's supposed to be available in his area), peat moss, lime and/or gypsum fairly easily as he lives close to a metropolitan area. He also lives near some horse stables, so he could theoretically get his own poo, but the quicker he gets it out of his place, the happier hell be and he doesn't want to spend a lot of time waiting for it all to dry nor does he have a lot of room.
Does anyone have any roughly (or exactly) recommended percentages? Should he mix it all together or put the potting soil in and then "dig a hole" like he would if he were going to do it a yard? Should he layer it? Does the verm/manure/whatever have to be pasteurised? (I don't yet have a PC; it's en route, but I know theres an oven bag tek around here somewhere cos Ive read it. He doesn't have a PC either).
He would *break the cakes up*, correct? (Wearing gloves and a mask and goggles and all that shit). Or just plant the whole cakes? (Jars to go in bucket of bleach water right after and all that, or I could probably convince him to just toss em; they're cheap).
Also, the cakes are at about 98%; should he wait a week? Should he dunk?
And if there are any questions SWIK and I are too green to have realised we needed to ask, can you answer those too?
(1) - I say "strongly suspect" versus "know" because he's not entirely sure the contaminant is actually on the *cake*. He has water so hard it is physically painful to bathe in or drink, and I happened to be talking to a guy who does water treatment and I mentioned it to him. He said that sometimes when water is really hard like that, "there is a bacteria that grows on the interface between the pipe and the water", but it isn't actually in the water, and honestly, that's what this shit looks like. It's on the inside of the jar, but I am not sure it's touching the cake, and neither is SWIK.
(Pictures may be found here if you prefer: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8356551/an/0/page/0 )
(Geez, what happened to the apostrophes?)
Edited by OwMyHead (05/03/08 02:13 AM)
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OwMyHead
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Re: Question on constructing an artificial self-contained outdoor patch [Re: OwMyHead]
#8357419 - 05/03/08 11:48 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bump? Lots of reads, no input, and I'm already on the 2nd page (behind lots of other people who got answers after posting)
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Heffy
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Re: Question on constructing an artificial self-contained outdoor patch [Re: OwMyHead]
#8357849 - 05/03/08 02:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm no expert, but I think you just take the cakes throw them in the pot with the poop, and chop/mix it up with a shovel.
My understanding is outdoor cultivation is quite a bit simpler than indoors, and contamination more or less deals with itself. I would just go for it.
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kiowa27
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Re: Question on constructing an artificial self-contained outdoor patch [Re: Heffy]
#8358999 - 05/03/08 08:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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sorry my ocd kicked in and I was counting the number of times you typed SWIK..
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kiowa27
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Re: Question on constructing an artificial self-contained outdoor patch [Re: OwMyHead]
#8359032 - 05/03/08 08:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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upon going back and paying attention to your questions, and checking the other thread you linked to for the pics I would advise you trash them and start over.. I can't think of a cake picture where I have seen more colors that are not white rofl.. I see red, blue, blue-green, and purple (especially disturbing to me after reading about a purple contam that is especially dangerous.. granted it is not the only purple sporulating mold out there, but one of very few and my motto is "when in doubt, toss it out") even on the porch the risks of having what is essentially a contaminated casing nearby far outweight the possibility of a few fruits. don't risk future projects man, brf and verm are cheap
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OwMyHead
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Re: Question on constructing an artificial self-contained outdoor patch [Re: kiowa27]
#8360143 - 05/04/08 02:13 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Actually, there wasn't any purple visible except in that picture.
I *KNOW* I am not colour-blind (I have been rather stringently tested for jobs in the past), so it's not that I'm just not seeing it. And there wasn't anything blue or green ("in real life"), either, although I saw that on the picture as well. I would bet money I do not have that I could pass any colour-blindness test out there.
Anyway. I didn't get to this until just now and the deed is done. Potting soil, (non-BK) composted manure, coffee, verm/perl, and the crumbled cakes, topped with more and a thin dusting of top soil. Potting soil on the outside, the casing being roughly 75% manure, roughly 10% coffee and roughly 15% perl/verm.
Oh, and the bit about the pink stuff being on the interface? Visual inspection seems to bear that out; it wasn't inside the cake at all. Some of it didn't even touch the cake, but just the *jar*. That's some nasty-ass tap water right there (and just think, it was TWICE FILTERED!) . Spring water has been acquired for the next attempt.
I took some pictures; too tired to bother now.
(And . . . how many times? )
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Re: Question on constructing an artificial self-contained outdoor patch [Re: OwMyHead]
#8360478 - 05/04/08 05:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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what does swik mean?
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kiowa27
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Re: Question on constructing an artificial self-contained outdoor patch [Re: OwMyHead]
#8360681 - 05/04/08 08:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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OwMyHead
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Re: Question on constructing an artificial self-contained outdoor patch [Re: kiowa27]
#8363763 - 05/05/08 12:49 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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In this context, "SWIK"="someone I know"
(Don't kill me, I didn't create the acronym. I know "someone" is one word, and has no W in it. I think they wanted to mix "SWIM" (someone who isn't me) with "someone I know")
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Re: Question on constructing an artificial self-contained outdoor patch [Re: OwMyHead]
#8364111 - 05/05/08 06:36 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks OwMyHead! I could not figure it out! I thought "Single White Ill Kid" His sick friend? Thanks again.
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