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why is the zen master drunken?
    #8359541 - 05/03/08 10:46 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

an alcohol stupor seems a motif among zen masters, hermits, and beatniks alike.

why?

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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: Epigallo]
    #8359836 - 05/03/08 11:52 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)



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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: Epigallo]
    #8360039 - 05/04/08 01:30 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Anyone calling themselves a master is selling something.


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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: Epigallo]
    #8360580 - 05/04/08 07:29 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

after renouncing material and social involvments the zen student may retreat to pursue enlightening practices.

Soon the urge to return home and help in any way blooms - you could call it loving kindness, so they take themselves back to their villages.

Humor is an integral part of the light they carry with in them, and to share that they join in mirthful endeavors.
The medicinal jug of wine symbolizes the humor they share with their people...


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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #8360743 - 05/04/08 09:46 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

i think there are less drunken masters than non-drunken masters.

and considering most people drink (and did drink), it would seem mastering stuff favors the sober.


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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: Epigallo]
    #8360778 - 05/04/08 10:05 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

what ever medicine is most effective to your people when you return.
that is the medicine you become associated with.
the big thing is the healing.
all the good masters are good healers (mind healers, life healers).


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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #8360824 - 05/04/08 10:32 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

'The medicinal jug of wine symbolizes the humor they share with their people...'

Perhaps if the 'master' was sharing his mixed wine he could just shut his mouth??


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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: Epigallo]
    #8360920 - 05/04/08 11:09 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

mostly his presence is all that is necessary
but I think this is about the depiction


see the description of the tenth ox herding picture (not always with a jug o wine anyway)http://www.terebess.hu/english/oxherding.html

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from http://www.iloveulove.com/spirituality/buddhist/tenbulls.htm
The 10 Bulls is more than poetry, more than pictures. It is a
revelation of spiritual unfoldment paralleled in every bible of human
experience. May the reader, like the Chinese patriarch, discover the footprints
of his potential self and, carrying the staff of his purpose and the wine jug of
his true desire, frequent the market place and there enlighten others.





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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #8361058 - 05/04/08 11:52 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Im not sure about masters, but some of these quotes are great.

tripping quotes

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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: Epigallo]
    #8361325 - 05/04/08 01:30 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

bradley said:
an alcohol stupor seems a motif among zen masters, hermits, and beatniks alike.

why?




They don't want to think about what they know.;)


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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: Icelander]
    #8361346 - 05/04/08 01:36 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Once one has glimpsed the eternal abyss, there is little to do but get drunk. How else can one deal with such devastating knowledge?


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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8361354 - 05/04/08 01:38 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

That's what I was thinking.:monkeydance:


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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #8361362 - 05/04/08 01:39 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Anyone calling themselves a master is selling something.




*OC changes his website header from 'Master Shmoopy's Universal Principles' to 'Shmoopy's Universal Principles'.* :blush:


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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8361377 - 05/04/08 01:45 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Hues right of course. Unless baiting is the game.


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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: Icelander]
    #8361393 - 05/04/08 01:48 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Baiting?! On this forum? :cuckoo:


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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8361396 - 05/04/08 01:49 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Masterbaiting.


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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: Icelander]
    #8361504 - 05/04/08 02:37 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

if you bait him he will come


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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #8363102 - 05/04/08 09:38 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

cum? I didn't know married men masturbated.:whoa: Don't they find all their fulfillment within the sacred vows of matrimony?


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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: Icelander]
    #8363806 - 05/05/08 01:13 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

drink deep and keep learning


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Re: why is the zen master drunken? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #8364292 - 05/05/08 08:40 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

Yell out loud once or twice and youll drink rice wine from a canister, can you sit down without a frown?

Im from a flaming hob goblin and I hate where this is going, I wate for the tornado of thunder to break asunder and to belate my runners, I cant weight to debate Cate and late my freight car of desire, I taught a witch to hunt a bitch, and wished upon a merigold round and frowned upside down when I came around the bend, I just broke my will, can you can too?

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