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accessing the subconscious mind
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What you know as reality, the conscious ego, is an altered state. I was taught how to access the subconscious mind using hallucinogens. Accessing the subconscious expands the minds abilities well beyond current understanding. From sixties counter-culture icons to the expert psychedelic researchers, no one has described how to crack the shell of the conscious ego. You must combine the conscious ego with the subconscious mind to understand reality as it was intended. This is not just a spiritual or mystical experience, it is much more than that. It is reality. Psychedelic researchers such as Rick Doblin, W.A.Richards,wil never be able to access the subconscious mind. They do not know what they are looking for, and they do not know how to find it.

Edited by C.M. Mann (05/07/08 02:05 PM)

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: C.M. Mann]
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and they have called me crazy

I got this subconscious intuitive feeling that they just might be right.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: Icelander]
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'I can show you how to access the subconscious mind if you are interested.'

A real mystery these days.:rolleyes:


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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: C.M. Mann]
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Is there anyone out there who would like to explore their subconscious minds.



No.


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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I do it every night. It's called dreaming I thunk.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: backfromthedead]
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Can you show us how to merge with Jesus and Satan at the same time?


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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Believe it.  Their both in us all, imo.  :yinyang:



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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: backfromthedead]
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:thumbup: Oh yeah.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: Icelander]
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I'm interested if it's a non-drug technique. All I know of is holotropic breathwork (which DEFINITELY works!) a la Grof


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Wherever the hero may wander, whatever he may do, he is ever in the presence of his own essence — for he has the perfected eye to see. There is no separateness. Thus, just as the way of social participation may lead in the end to a realization of the All in the individual, so that of exile brings the hero to the Self in all.

joseph campbell


For, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

jesus

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: burgatory]
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i'm intersted in what your talking about. but actually I think I may have achieved this somewhat. I've developed a new philosophy on life, and last time i did acid and "tripped" it was a whole new experience. Usually whenever I "trip" I don't remember the "tripping" experience very well, and spend an unhealthy amount of time making sense of it. However on my last psychedelic adventure, I tripped, felt as if all my new philosophies were meaningless, cause once i was tripping a while new world of probelms presented itslef to me. That was until I realized my new philosophy applied perfectly to this state of mind as well, and since I realized that the 2 states have become one. By this i mean i can think of everything I did while tripping, while not tripping, in the same exact way, just maybe in slighly less detail.
I dunno just interesting shit....but anyways what did you have in mind for ur subconcious expansion?

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: C.M. Mann]
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C.M. Mann said:
You must combine the conscious ego with the subconscious mind to understand reality as it was intended.



Id say totally get rid of the conscious ego, ego is really unconscious, deluded by the mind. To beocme ego-less you have to become mindless, people just try to caress the intellect and make it sound pretty & nice to be ego-less, the truth being that if you want to be ego-less you have to become mindless. Throw it completely away, then you see reality. Every single thought is going further away from truth, each thought is an outward seeking complex, turning inward is where truth is.

No philosphy of life ever will take you to the truth of life. Its always without, mind is ALWAYS desiring more, you can throw it a biscuit like training a dog but then it will always desire the biscuit...

Every one of us is an organism of the universe, we all have our own orbits like the solar systems & galaxies have orbits, at the centre of each of us is the centre of existence, no outward seeking will ever take you to the centre only turning within. Life IS outward seeking, go beyond life...

:peace:


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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: C.M. Mann]
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C.M. Mann said:
no one has described how to crack the shell of the conscious ego.



Ummm....Aleister Crowley, Israel Regardie, Robert Anton Wilson, Christopher S. Hyatt, Antero Alli, Lon Milo Duquette, Grant Morrison, Phil Hine, Timothy Leary, John Lilly, Terence McKenna, hell even James Joyce talked about it.

You have wandered off the path my good man, and not in good way, you forgot you waders.


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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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:thumbup:


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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: C.M. Mann]
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Do show me! :smile:

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: C.M. Mann]
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C.M. Mann said:
What you know as reality, the conscious ego, is an altered state. I was taught how to access the subconscious mind using hallucinogens. Accessing the subconscious expands the minds abilities well beyond current understanding. From sixties counter-culture icons to the expert psychedelic researchers, no one has described how to crack the shell of the conscious ego. You must combine the conscious ego with the subconscious mind to understand reality as it was intended. This is not just a spiritual or mystical experience, it is much more than that. It is reality. Psychedelic researchers such as Rick Doblin, W.A.Richards,wil never be able to access the subconscious mind. They do not know what they are looking for, and they do not know how to find it. I have solicited help from all of the experts, and they have called me crazy. This summer I will begin to research this myself, possibly for a book. Is there anyone out there who would like to explore their subconscious minds. I can show you how to access the subconscious mind if you are interested.



so what you're saying is that you're willing to share your drugs?

i'm in.


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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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Penguarky Tunguin said:
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C.M. Mann said:
no one has described how to crack the shell of the conscious ego.



Ummm....Aleister Crowley, Israel Regardie, Robert Anton Wilson, Christopher S. Hyatt, Antero Alli, Lon Milo Duquette, Grant Morrison, Phil Hine, Timothy Leary, John Lilly, Terence McKenna, hell even James Joyce talked about it.

You have wandered off the path my good man, and not in good way, you forgot you waders.



wait so these people talked about the possibility of achieving this or they actually achieved this? I'm not being doubtful, just wondering if anyone in history has ever claimed to reach this state.

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: Bridgeburner]
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well i'm curious. i've made some decent progress at merging my conscious and unconscious, but there are still areas that i don't have access to.


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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: truekimbo2]
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what areas do u speak of?

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: ny2casports89]
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some the really deep sexual areas are inaccessible. control of automatic body functioning. the places where i desire to force my will onto others are accessible, but not integrated. and then there are deeper levels where i don't know what i don't know.

i think at some level the subconscious is a bottomless pit though.


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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: truekimbo2]
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The pinwheel-spinning area is a tough one to access.


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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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whats the pin wheel spinning area?

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: ny2casports89]
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The part of your subconscious that controls telekinesis.


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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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o chillin, i got that down pat

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: ny2casports89]
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Then you are ready to win the Randi Million?


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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Why is your avatar caption say male?
Is there a baby boy in that mail box?

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: Quarryman]
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dooooooods... the sub conscious is just the unconcious not so consciously consciousnessed.....


goosE  .:stoneowl:


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in all of Infinite
there is but One
and it is nOne
ever and always
in every and all ways

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: MokshaIs]
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MokshaIs said:
dooooooods... the sub conscious is just the unconcious not so consciously consciousnessed.....


goosE  .:stoneowl:



doooood... that statement leads me to believe you are wise beyond your years.

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
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C.M. Mann said:
You must combine the conscious ego with the subconscious mind to understand reality as it was intended.



Id say totally get rid of the conscious ego, ego is really unconscious, deluded by the mind. To beocme ego-less you have to become mindless, people just try to caress the intellect and make it sound pretty & nice to be ego-less, the truth being that if you want to be ego-less you have to become mindless. Throw it completely away, then you see reality. Every single thought is going further away from truth, each thought is an outward seeking complex, turning inward is where truth is.





The ego is a powerful tool of the mind. It is as much a part of you as your arm or leg. If you claim to eliminate, or diminish your ego, that is simply choosing to not use a function of your brain. Ego is neither good nor bad, it has the power to create and the power to destroy. Ego is simply your way of perceiving the world and relating it to your own self. I agree with Chronic that the ego is a completely outward thinking process. You can't relate to the outer world without an ego.

By looking inward you learn what your spirit and mind are truly made up of, and it is very good to take that journey. Once you understand yourself inside, you can began to understand what the outer world really means. But we are still limited by our perceptions. I don't think i will ever have the ability to fully understand the outside world.


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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: BrainChemistry]
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so do you think one could harness this power to, create and destroy? and perhaps choose only to create?

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: ny2casports89]
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Yes, but human beings are conflicted. One must always battle against urges that would destroy them. If you think constructively your mind will create. If you think hurtful thoughts (to yourself or to others), your mind will destroy. Hurtful thoughts can include jealousy, envy, hate, fear, or demoralizing thoughts about yourself and others.


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Word to your mom.

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: BrainChemistry]
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so are you suggesting that if one could eliminate hurtufl thoughts they could potentially.....?

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: ny2casports89]
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Potentially...but only with great care and devotion. Most people simply don't care enough to devote so much energy to always having proper thought. We like to indulge ourselves and misbehave. A lot of people have the "fuck it, enjoy life attitude", which by itself is fine...but people use it as an excuse to do harmful things to themselves and others.

Through your ego you can creatively construct your own world, but only if you understand what your mind and heart are seeking, and you realize what is righteous for you and what is evil.


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Word to your mom.

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: BrainChemistry]
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:yoda:


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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: C.M. Mann]
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Thank You for your response. Think of the mind as just one source of energy. It controls the physical and the metaphysical. Accessing the subconscious gives you infinitly more control over all functions. The ego is at its worst when it is allowed to define itself in hedonistic terms. Described in these terms, the ego is a major impedement to creativity and free thought. The conscious ego is powerfull,it has forced the mind to separate into two areas. The conscious mind is for the pleasure of the ego, pushing all else into the deep recesses of the subconscious mind. The mind is out of balance untill these two areas are combined. Untill you have accessed the subconscious mind, all of your thoughts are controled by your ego. The mind is much more than anyone wants to admit,and i have experienced some of it.

Edited by C.M. Mann (05/07/08 02:01 PM)

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: C.M. Mann]
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Cosmik Debris by Frank Zappa

The mystery man came over
And he said "I'm outta sight!"
He said for a nominal service charge
I could reach nirvana tonight
If I was ready, willing and able
To pay him his regular fee
He would drop all the rest of
His pressing affairs and devote
His attention to me

But I said "Look here brother
who you jiving with that cosmik debris?
Now who you jiving with that cosmik debris?
Look here brother, don't waste your time on me"

The mystery man got nervous
And he fidget around a bit
He reached in the pocket of his mystery robe
And he whipped out a shaving kit
Now I thought it was a razor
And a can of foaming goo
But he told me right then when the top popped open
There was nothin' his box won't do
With the oil of Aphrodite, and the dust of the Grand Wazoo
He said "You might not believe this, little fella
But it'll cure your asthma too"

And I said "Look here brother
Who you jiving with that cosmik debris?
Now what kind of a guru are you, anyway?
Look here brother, don't waste your time on me"
*(Don't waste your time)*

"I've got troubles of my own", I said
"And you can't help me out
So, take your meditations and your preparations
And ram it up your snout!"
"But I got the crystal ball", he said
And held it to the light
So I snatched it, all away from him
And I showed him how to do it right

I wrapped a newspaper 'round my head
So I looked like I was deep
I said some mumbo-jumbo, then
I told him he was going to sleep
I robbed his rings and pocketwatch
And everything else I found
I had that sucker hypnotized
He couldn't even make a sound
I proceeded to tell him his future, then
As long as he was hanging around
I said "The price of meat has just gone up
And your old lady has just gone down!"

And I said "Look here brother-who you
Jiving with that cosmik debris?
Now is that a real poncho or is that a Sears poncho?
Don't you know, you could make more money as a butcher?
So, don't waste your time on me"
Don't waste it, don't waste your time on me
*(Shante)*

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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brown shoes dont make it, quit school why fake it.!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Frank Zappa

Edited by C.M. Mann (05/12/08 01:24 PM)

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: Bridgeburner]
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everyone should share their hallucinogens

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: C.M. Mann]
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You start.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: Icelander]
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Methinks he missed the point.

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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What are your thoughts of the self-healing potential of accessing the subconscious mind, C.M.Mann? Can it extend life? Everything is ultimately psychic, and it's a matter of harnessing the right areas of the mind to generate desired effects, correct?


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Wherever the hero may wander, whatever he may do, he is ever in the presence of his own essence — for he has the perfected eye to see. There is no separateness. Thus, just as the way of social participation may lead in the end to a realization of the All in the individual, so that of exile brings the hero to the Self in all.

joseph campbell


For, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

jesus

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Re: accessing the subconscious mind [Re: burgatory]
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I know that the mind has some amazing abilities, but I have only begun to explore so I can not say that I have seen healing abilities. My opinion is that the mind would have control to manipulate health and many other things.

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