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InvisibleSwami
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Thought Loops
    #834910 - 08/22/02 05:02 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Read yet another report discussing this condition. Considering this side-affect of tripping ONLY, it stands to REASON that: (choose one)

1. The tripper has traversed to another dimension.

2. The tripper has raised his chakric vibrations or awoken his kundalini.

3. The tripper has 'short circuited' normal brain function with unpredictable results.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #834962 - 08/22/02 05:28 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Explain the condition


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: ]
    #834987 - 08/22/02 05:40 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Pardon, thought this was familiar territory. Thought loops (never experienced them personally) are when someone gets stuck on one thought and cannot seem to break out of the repetitious pattern for quite some time; kind of like infinite reflections in a house of mirrors. They are reported to be quite scary. The tripper frequently thinks that he has gone insane and cannot escape.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #834999 - 08/22/02 05:48 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Ah yes, I'm going to go with

4. The tripper has a subconscious issue that needs to be resolved and is trying to avoid it.



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Re: Thought Loops [Re: ]
    #835049 - 08/22/02 06:14 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i fuckin hate that shit, it's fuckin anoying. the best way to get that shit off you is to talk to people.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: downforpot]
    #835232 - 08/22/02 07:20 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Talk to people, go for a walk, or have someone throw you in the back of a van and drive you around... depending on time of day and how far gone you are . I would say it could be either answer 3 or Shroomism's 4. I think lack of preperation and direction for an intense session can sometimes make it easier to happen...


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #835426 - 08/22/02 09:22 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Thought loops, fruit loops.

A difference that makes no difference is not different than a difference that makes no difference.

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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #835464 - 08/22/02 09:48 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Thought loops (never experienced them personally) are when someone gets stuck on one thought and cannot seem to break out of the repetitious pattern for quite some time; kind of like infinite reflections in a house of mirrors.

I have experienced this, every time you think you have broken out of it you then realize you are still stuck.

One time I did manage to escape the loop - I had several different thought loops going on at the same time, I then somehow managed to cancel them all out against one another!


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: ]
    #835466 - 08/22/02 09:49 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Haha, i was thinking, when in class today, the teacher called roll he said Lupe(loopay) gonzalez, and she wasnt there, mabey she is loopy.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: mirror_saw]
    #835506 - 08/22/02 10:11 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I then somehow managed to cancel them all out against one another!

That was quick thinking to use a phase inversion to nullify the amplitude. (In his best James Earl Jones / Darth Vader impression) M-o-s-t impressive!


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #835641 - 08/22/02 11:36 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I know exactly what you meanby thought loops, just about killed myself, and everybody had the same face like a hall of mirrors and telepathy, fuckin thought people were leading me tomy death.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #835875 - 08/22/02 01:27 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I have had many thought loops... I find them to be one of the best tools available for what I suspect is egoloss. I have only had one thought loop out of meditation and it was an unpleasant experience... wave upon wave of paranoia crashing down upon me... parasitic osillation of paranoia . A quick change in setting ended the loop, thankfully. All of the other loops that I have gotten into have happened while meditating after consumption... all of them have been very extreme, but not unpleasant. Fear is a tool of the ego... don't fight the loop, but rather go with it and see where it takes you. When your "self" is locked in a loop, the rest of "you" can awaken.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: ]
    #835895 - 08/22/02 01:40 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

In reply to:

Thought loops, fruit loops.
A difference that makes no difference is not different than a difference that makes no difference.
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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #836191 - 08/22/02 03:29 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

The tripper has 'short circuited' normal brain function with unpredictable results.

probaby option no. 3

It's hard to know if these thought loops involve you getting stuck in an incredibly deep paradox which you could normally never fathom, or...

Your mind goes round in circles over something completely stupid (which you believe while tripping to be an incredibly deep paradox which you could normally never fathom)

Another side effect of tripping can be deja vu, anyone experienced this?


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: mirror_saw]
    #836239 - 08/22/02 03:50 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Thought loops are fuckin annoying. I get in at least one every day and i say or do something stupid to get my brain rolling again.(Nasty little buggers they are)
De Ja Fu
All the time man, nearly everyday, so realistic at a certain point that i sometimes think that i must had done the same thing or saw the same show more than once.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: mirror_saw]
    #836244 - 08/22/02 03:53 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

deja vu... several times

Your mind goes round in circles over something completely stupid (which you believe while tripping to be an incredibly deep paradox which you could normally never fathom)
No longer is this a common occurance for me... but it used to happen alot.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Sclorch]
    #836296 - 08/22/02 04:22 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

man..
i remember the awful feeling very well..

the thought was very simple:
there is no meaning to anything in existence. there is nothing. this is hell where your energy lies and your energy will never die. you are in hell forever.

needless to say i was on the floor crying for a long time until my friend practically dragged me into his car and we drove way out into the night country smoking many bowls.. i somewhat got myself together but was badly shaken up for the next week or so..



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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Sclorch]
    #836302 - 08/22/02 04:24 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Once you learn to fathom those deep paradoxi, everythang be kool.

Seriously, apart from most responder's emotional response to them, I want to know how they can be considered "spiritual" instead of a Windows 98-like brain crash?


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Grav]
    #836304 - 08/22/02 04:25 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

oh yea

my friend told me like every 10 minutes or so I'd stop crying, stand up and look totally normal and just be like "jeesh... okay im fine now." like nothing had happened.
then i'd start pacing around faster and faster and in a few moments id be freaking out again



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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Grav]
    #836315 - 08/22/02 04:32 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Been in the same boat man, Lost alot of freiends also.
"if you do not tug yourself ashore you will drift out to sea."


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #837136 - 08/23/02 12:10 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Seriously, apart from most responder's emotional response to them, I want to know how they can be considered "spiritual" instead of a Windows 98-like brain crash?

One could think of them, like any challenge, as a learning process


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: ]
    #837188 - 08/23/02 01:19 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

So could being crippled in a car accident, but nobody thinks of serious bodily trauma as being an inherently sacred experience.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #837252 - 08/23/02 03:32 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

3. The tripper has 'short circuited' normal brain function with unpredictable results.

Is deja vu caused by a short cicuited brain?
What about dreams?

I don't think a short circuit or any kind of trauma is needed to produce these experiences. Maybe it's part of the normal function of the brain, which are magnified under the influence of psychedelics.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #837260 - 08/23/02 03:41 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

3. The tripper has 'short circuited' normal brain function with unpredictable results.

Really Swami I honestly thought you were more intelligent than that .
But I guess its the most accurate of the three versions .


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Food]
    #837281 - 08/23/02 04:04 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

More intelligent than what?

Feel free to substitute your own interpretation.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #838749 - 08/23/02 06:29 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"I hate thought loops. I only got them while on acid, and in some dreams. The acid loops were like a kiledescopic thought pattern- one thought about something leads to another about that same thing, than another and another until you end up back where you began and it starts all over again. This is the reason I don't do acid anymore. Besides, mushrooms are so much better in so many ways that there is no reason to do acid when I gots some shrooms.

The loop dreams I had were usually kinda trippy and nothing ment sense, it was just some blank thought into another and another making a visual pattern. That, or I'm at work doing my repetative job- I hate those dreams.



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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #838790 - 08/23/02 06:48 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

1) No. 3, for sure, which could possibly lead to Nos. 1 & 2.
2) I suppose for some, proving a hell must mean there is a heaven (Mathmaticans perhaps?)
For me, just reading this thread means I'll have to wait 2 - 4 weeks before letting my lawyer injest anything that glows.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #839176 - 08/23/02 09:12 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Swami, could you please explain in precise medical terms what a "short circuit" of the brain is? And how on earth this might be related to "thought loops"?

"Short circuit" has no meaning whatsoever in neurological science and is merely a term beloved of anti-drug campaigners and urban mythmakers. "Like dude, i saw the houselights short circuit once and they went bang and like smoke came out of them, that's what happens to your brain when you trip". The next line from people who say this is usually "And acid stays in your spine for 15 years until you bend over and start tripping again".

Whatever you do don't apply for a job in a neurological dept. I can just see you in a medical emergency rushing to get the doctor

"What is your initial diagnosis Swami?"

"It's his brain, i think it's short-circuited dude"

"Somebody get this fucking idiot out of my hospital"


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Xlea321]
    #839649 - 08/24/02 04:10 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Calling someone a "fucking idiot" with or without a smiley face violates all the basic rules of this forum and is hardly clever and far from spiritual.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #839703 - 08/24/02 05:27 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Once again, read the post. I didn't call you a fucking idiot.

Oh diddums you sound upset. I presume all your pathetic insults are ok are they? How about sclorch calling me a "cocksucker" and sending me insults by PM? I didn't hear you whining then.

If you're going to throw insults you're going to have to be man enough to take them back sonny. You're going to learn this simple lesson and I'm going to be your teacher. This will be very spiritually healthy for you. You've been the bully of the board for long enough, now it's time to learn consideration for others.

btw, you made no attempt to explain what a "short circuit" of the brain was and how this produces "thought loops". Please do so or stop your scare-mongering. Thanks.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: downforpot]
    #839799 - 08/24/02 06:23 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, it is definately number 4. If anyone has actually had a real thought loop or at least the one that I had, you wouldn't be able to go anywhere or do anything. It is kind of like what zen koans are suppose to do, and when someone meditates on the koan, they eventually realized that they are the creator of all that they experience. I broke through to the other dimension after what seemed like eternity, and reached ego loss and oneness,


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Xlea321]
    #839807 - 08/24/02 06:30 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Oh diddums you sound upset. I presume all your pathetic insults are ok are they? How about sclorch calling me a "cocksucker" and sending me insults by PM? I didn't hear you whining then.

If you're going to throw insults you're going to have to be man enough to take them back sonny. You're going to learn this simple lesson and I'm going to be your teacher. This will be very spiritually healthy for you. You've been the bully of the board for long enough, now it's time to learn consideration for others.


Why Alex, why?

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Re: Thought Loops [Re: ]
    #839814 - 08/24/02 06:38 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Swami...

"So could being crippled in a car accident, but nobody thinks of serious bodily trauma as being an inherently sacred experience."

I don't know the answer to that, but it does not mean you are right to think it isn't. I don't know how your visualizing that event, but it is not the traumatic event that is sacred itself. It is the state of mind you can reach in the NDE or astral projection that you receive after say being hit by a car. You don't have to beleive that to be spiritual, none the less it still exists. and even if it is because of a rush of endorphins or whatever, does not make it have no meaning.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #839847 - 08/24/02 07:09 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

HAVING READ YET ANOTHER OF YOUR POSTINGS, AND HAVING HAD MUCH THE SAME REACTION TO THEM ALL, IT ONLY STANDS TO REASON THAT

1:YOU ARE A PRETENTIOUS WANKER

2:YOU ARE SHROOMISMS SOCK PUPPET

3: YOUR PARENTS ARE CLOSELY RELATED

4: YOU,LIKE ME, ARE AN AMERICAN.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: ]
    #839862 - 08/24/02 07:22 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting.

I find it very interesting when a brand new member talks about puppets in their first few posts.

I'm sorry about your location. Sad indeed.

I won't be posting on the anniversary of that day.

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Re: Thought Loops [Re: ]
    #839906 - 08/24/02 07:48 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Why Alex, why?

When you ask the same questions of swami and sclorch erhaps we could make progress on this question.

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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Xlea321]
    #839908 - 08/24/02 07:49 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

How about sclorch calling me a "cocksucker" and sending me insults by PM?
Ha ha ha ha he heh heh ho ho ha! Stop it! You are killing me! Stop! Ho ho ha ha he he he! Gee, now why did it not occur to me to get Thor to let me read your private mail?

Now I am guilty for what schlorch said? What kind of conspiratorial fantasy do you have going? Perhaps he took your following words to heart:
If you're going to throw insults you're going to have to be man enough to take them back sonny. You're going to learn this simple lesson and I'm going to be your teacher. This will be very spiritually healthy for you.



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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #839913 - 08/24/02 07:52 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Mr Mush - here's your chance to ask swami...


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #839915 - 08/24/02 07:53 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Calling someone a "cocksucker" with or without a smiley face violates all the basic rules of this forum and is hardly clever and far from spiritual.

Follow your own advice dear swami.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Xlea321]
    #839923 - 08/24/02 07:57 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Please link the post where I called anyone that or recant now!


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #839932 - 08/24/02 08:03 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

LOL


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #840523 - 08/24/02 02:12 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Swami, I don't see Alex doing anything wrong that you didn't do yourself to me. He just does it in a different way, still with the same intentions that you use. I think a taste of your own medicine may be best.

If you're going to throw insults you're going to have to be man enough to take them back sonny. You're going to learn this simple lesson and I'm going to be your teacher. This will be very spiritually healthy for you. You've been the bully of the board for long enough, now it's time to learn consideration for others.


What he said.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Xlea321]
    #840948 - 08/24/02 06:03 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Does this all mean Alex is the new board bully? I wanted that position for sooooo long. I believe we're collectively experiencing the 1st internet thought loop...."Swami posts, Alex attacks....err rebuttels, everyone else posts, Swami posts, Alex attacks, etc., repeat"



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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #841182 - 08/24/02 08:19 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I was thinking about Swami's original question...
Our little fungi friends amplify not only our senses but some our thought processes as well. Perhaps whatever it is that makes the 'loops' is the same thing that makes us repeat the same @#%^^@ song over and over when we get one stuck... Could be the same process in the brain, just turned up to the Nth degree


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: ]
    #841183 - 08/24/02 08:19 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Swami, I don't see Alex doing anything wrong that you didn't do yourself to me. He just does it in a different way, still with the same intentions that you use. I think a taste of your own medicine may be best.

How you equate pointing out the flaws in a post on the sun equivalent to personal insults is beyond me. Satire and irony are acceptable tools of debate while the loathesome ad hominem is not.

Attacking the person now has your blessing as a moderator because your ego was offended when I parodied the CONTENT of your posts. What a hypocritical "lightworker". So, in other words, your "Spirituality Forum Rules" are so much horseshit and you encourage the use of terms like "cocksucker" against people that you have difficulty seeing eye to eye with. Lying is OK with you too, as Alex as usual, cannot back up his statement.

Yes, I think your ideas are wacky, but so what? I actually like you and find you to be interesting, however I have just lost much respect for you as a moderator. According to your latest "blessing", it is now acceptable to have a free-for-all and anarchy will reign supreme here.

I have agreed to your rules as previously stated. Reference my post that violates them and I will correct / remove it.

No more can be said. I am a man of integrity and of my word. I think you know this much about me.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: GhostWalker]
    #841188 - 08/24/02 08:21 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Good observation (and refreshingly on topic!).


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #841256 - 08/24/02 09:27 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Shut up.

A better man would ignore it.

Continue with the fucking topic!



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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #841278 - 08/24/02 09:44 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

you encourage the use of terms like "cocksucker"

It was sclorch who used that term. Take it up with him. Your attempt to blame it on me is typical of your blatant self-serving lies. Oh, and you made a post where you laughed about how funny it was. Two faced as ever.

Sounds like you're real happy making fun of others but when someone does it to you the sense of humour bypass kicks in and you get hysterically upset. That's something you have to work on. And I'm gonna help you.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #841304 - 08/24/02 10:02 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Attacking the person now has your blessing as a moderator because your ego was offended when I parodied the CONTENT of your posts.

Sounds like your bullshit cuts no ice with shroomism. Looks like you bullied one person too many. Hate to say it - I know your "logic" won't like it - but this sounds like instant karma to me

Lying is OK with you too, as Alex as usual, cannot back up his statement.

On the contrary, I think it's clear you are the one who can't back up his statements. I am still waiting for you to explain in precise medical terms what a "short circuit" of the brain is. You immediately dropped the subject when i brought it up and went back to your usual lying insults. Back up your statements for once. Explain it.

According to your latest "blessing", it is now acceptable to have a free-for-all and anarchy will reign supreme here.

No, you just won't be allowed to bully anyone anymore. And you will be called on to explain yourself. If that's anarchy, then long live anarchy.

I am a man of integrity and of my word

Hey - why not throw in humble, knowledgeable about all things and with a self-depreciating sense of humour too eh?


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: Swami]
    #841375 - 08/24/02 10:55 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Don't get so worked up. Anarchy will not reign supreme. However, I do acknowledge the law of what goes around, comes around, and who am I to stand in its way?
Like Alex said, if you can't take critical insults, don't dish them out.


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Re: Thought Loops [Re: ]
    #841507 - 08/25/02 01:56 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

threads like this are the reason i don't own a Television...



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