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All [Discourse] is NONSENSE!
    #8335300 - 04/27/08 07:32 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

"Words are very,
unneccessary.
They can only do harm."
~Depeche Mode

"I apologize for not being the same type of lunatic as you."
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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #8335688 - 04/27/08 09:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Language is unnecessary?

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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Cameron]
    #8336436 - 04/28/08 01:11 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quite unnecessary... :yesnod:

I haven't been posting here much lately because most of my recent ideas have been rather wordless. I'm sitting here trying to think of things to say that are pertinent to discussion, but it all seems redundant.


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8336439 - 04/28/08 01:11 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Redundant... uuuuuughhhh


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: allisthesame]
    #8336464 - 04/28/08 01:23 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Language is a product of what we experience as the shared world. However, the inner world is vastly different from the consensus reality we generally consider to be absolute reality, and so language is eternally insufficient to communicate our innermost experiences.


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8336487 - 04/28/08 01:37 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
Language is a product of what we experience as the shared world. However, the inner world is vastly different from the consensus reality we generally consider to be absolute reality, and so language is eternally insufficient to communicate our innermost experiences.




I believe that language itself makes inner dialog possible, at least in terms of thinking (including the language of mathematics). And, while language may not have the capacity to convey our innermost desires completely, I believe it is certainly our best option available.

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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Cameron]
    #8336498 - 04/28/08 01:41 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

There are millions of other options for sharing our innermost experiences. Art is a big one, but everything from body language to attitude to relationships can communicate the inner world better than all these crude words. Words come from the inner world like all of your other actions, but they have the unique quality of being created specifically for the purpose of making yourself understood by others, a separative thought process. Words are made from perceived necessity, not true necessity.

I see a lot of debates, especially between "mystics" and "philosophers" who are, secretly, not even arguing about the same thing. They are arguing about terminology, and they blow their terminology up to universal proportions. It's sad.

Edited by Tchan909 (04/28/08 01:51 AM)

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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8336533 - 04/28/08 01:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

does necessity exist?

"Language is metaphor"
-David R. Hawkins

I like that dandy doozle of a phrase. many mistake their definitions, their words, their languaging for truth...and oh what a silly willy of a whoops this can create. yet, language is dandy and a fine thing to master, for it allows for communication, which is a darn dandy of a doozle... so... language with intent...yet, to communicate, one must be willing to actually listen. too many words equals delusion. the right words, we'll therein lies wonder and whoa of beauty.

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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: MokshaIs]
    #8336544 - 04/28/08 02:04 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

We experience "true necessity" most accurately as the desires coming from the most powerful conditioned needs, developed over billions of years of evolution, to propagate our genes.

Language often arises as a mechanism to compromise our experienced "true necessity" with the models and expectations we have developed.


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8336555 - 04/28/08 02:11 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

"we need a new language..."
- terence mckenna


this is nice





give up the refined sugar!!! woo!


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: MokshaIs]
    #8336561 - 04/28/08 02:18 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Old McKenna has been influencing my thoughts a lot lately, in case you couldn't tell. :lol:

He's an amazing thinker. His ideas seem like wacky nonsense, right up until you begin to actually reflect on them. His body of work (or at least, the reactions it elicits) is a shining example of the insufficiency of language.


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You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8336574 - 04/28/08 02:25 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

:tripping:yet his presence and all it entailed did create quite a fine ripple in this fabric 'o the good 'ol space time.. :tripping:

this doood to :tripping:




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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #8336575 - 04/28/08 02:26 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

wow this forum seems alright!

ya man
the heart speaks
the head interprets
and then..

best to remember.

I like forms of direct communication,
like music

but words are fun!

like
deprogram

or
intention
or
action
or
honor

or love

or even salamander!.. salad..re-interpreted.. quantum randomian rant-a-saurus..x

i also like ~AUM~

i think Ayn Rand said something about "...check your premise.."

lets not forget were in recess!!

..groovy

peace and shroomyness

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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: shaggy101]
    #8336587 - 04/28/08 02:31 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I speak of McKenna in the present tense even though he is dead (it's not really a conscious thing) because every time I read or listen to him I understand what he's saying better. Blame the DMT, but I really think that guy was onto something.


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You really are the worst kind of person.


Edited by Tchan909 (04/28/08 02:33 AM)

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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8336595 - 04/28/08 02:37 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I love words, and always have. I hope you can tell from the way I write my posts. But I do believe words have a dark side which should be understood.


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8336608 - 04/28/08 02:47 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

mmm..
yes ,
something about a symbiotic relationship to a mushroom..
co-evolved patterns thru psilos
dmt..
~divine moments of truth~
deprogramming mental time..

to the source

3d reality
breathing

thru u.. and me..

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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8336612 - 04/28/08 02:50 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
I love words, and always have. I hope you can tell from the way I write my posts. But I do believe words have a dark side which should be understood.




but of course, they carry energies or frequencies or vibes of gooseness....they hold power. perhaps it is purely intent which decides their effect upon the collective consciousness. perhaps there is more to it than that. what is this dark side you speak of? dost ye feel Aleister Crowley dabbled in this realm of dark words? perhaps he is a good example of "negativistic" verse. what about charles bukowski? some of his poetry struck me as beautiful... other poems...not so much :laugh:


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8336621 - 04/28/08 02:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I think shadows
always excist in time/space

whats there? the unknown?
yep.

fear of it creates mis-communication
words assume dimension-shape-life-power,
interpretation is neccesary.

one must consider others,
therefore I say deprogram,
keep your systems clean,
remember direct communication,
keep it simple.

then play!

understanding...exactly

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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: MokshaIs]
    #8336623 - 04/28/08 02:59 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Words come from the inner world, like anything else we do, so they reflect that to some degree. However, they are still, more than anything else we do, a product of shared reality. Would we be sitting around coming up with words and obsessing over their definitions and connotations if we had no one to talk to but ourselves?

The dark side I speak of is that, in communication with fellow human beings, language will allow you, very frequently, the opportunity to distort or falsify the real workings of your inner world in order to find comfort and commonality with others. In fact, sometimes it forces you to do this. Language is beautiful, one of our best means of abstract communication, but it is also a devil in disguise.


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8336637 - 04/28/08 03:15 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

this one cat talked about language quite dandiliciously. he advised to be impeccable with the word, for we are casting spells every time we speak. i like that notion, casting spells... we are all wizards of words!


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: MokshaIs]
    #8336638 - 04/28/08 03:17 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quite true... and magic is dangerous business. :yesnod:


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8336655 - 04/28/08 03:34 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

so may we always be wise with words. it is more important than we realize. I've heard the phrase "the world is made of words". so may we speak from and for the Loving Truth! :tripping: to manifest the world everyone wants, even the "constipated gentlemen" smoking their cigars and killing their prostitutes.

to speak from Loving Truth to reaveal the garden of eden. we can stil clean mother earth up! she's caring for us, lets return the favor!


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #8336819 - 04/28/08 07:23 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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"Words are very,
unneccessary.
They can only do harm."
~Depeche Mode

"I apologize for not being the same type of lunatic as you."
~Me




Funny how they use WORDS to convey this message.:tongue:


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Icelander]
    #8338060 - 04/28/08 03:51 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

yes it is ironic.

But if you take a close look at any thread on this forum (especially this one, lol) or any conversation you happen to hear, you will notice that it's nothing more than silly apes chattering back in forth in an attempt at echoic-manifestation of their own delusional/subjective reality (i don't mean this to be condescending. All subjective reality is delusional [don't take my words to seriously or literally, please. This thread has enough nonsense in it already!]).

All philosophic discourse is just ego-centric ranting. And usually its pretty elitist which makes it about as distasteful as it is full of shit.


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #8338682 - 04/28/08 06:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

yes. that is why arguing over ideas is silly. What happened to simple, kind hearted conversation? No one is right or wrong...shall we discuss?
people can get very threatened if ideas are presented that don't go along with their preconceived notions of reality... tisk tisk tiskeroo... acknowledging that we all know absolutely nothing, yet have some whimzy doozles of ideas concerning the nature of reality, discussion can be fruitful. if we are concerned with being right, proving someone wrong, the discussion is fruitless. if proving a point becomes the main focus, there is no sharing of ideas, but rather, a clinging to and glorification of one's beliefs, an attempt to convert rather than to clarify one's ideas and understand the other. discourse is very often nonsense, but that can be changed with a refinement of one's artistic finesse concerning conversation... to listen is a very nice thing to do. this means no judgements of what is being said by the other. rather than attempting to refute what is said by our discussion buddy, it seems much more constructive and amicable to strive for understanding. no one's right. no ones wrong. we can all understand.
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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #8338697 - 04/28/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Nunbuh_Chrubble said:
"Words are very,
unneccessary.
They can only do harm."
~Depeche Mode

"I apologize for not being the same type of lunatic as you."
~Me




I'll drink to this post and the redundancy stuff as well. :cheers:

If nonsense it all is then let it be just that!

The other night in the car I was flipping through the radio stations (left my CD case at home). I was looking for something to amp me up. My daughter was like, ' what was wrong with that rap song?' I said to her, "it's all the same old shit,

livin in the hood
with my boys
and my nines and my spinny rims and bouncy cars
and girls with big butts, getting high and running from the po po"

YES! OKAY!!! I GET IT and heard it a million fucking times!!! New song same crap.

I said to my daughter, " Give me the sweet nonsensical lyrics of Anthony Keides right now.

What is this wonderous stuff-

'you got your bit part Mozart hot dart acceleration
pop art pistol chasin cat fight motivation"

"make the snow fall up beneath your feet"

"Burns so bright I wonder what the wave meant"

What is he talking about anyway? I don't know and I like that. I can make the lyrics mean whatever I want them to mean and make sense to me.

I think that is what most people do with many of our words anyway so we might as well talk more gibberish.

+100 to nonsense!
nonsense lyrics included- Enjoy!


Speaking of lyrics and going silent to communicate, royyksop has a lyric in the song remind me that says,

" A woman holds her tongue, knowing silence will speak for her"

I wanted to ask some guys if this is true or not.

That tune kicks butt also. Even the cars in the video tell any story you want them too. Brilliant stuff! I also like the line-

"A wise mans tools are analogies and puzzles.'




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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8339132 - 04/28/08 08:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

LOL! Is that second vid a car commercial? I recognize that song from a GEICO commercial though...


Yeah, nonsense lyrics are the best. That's why I always loved Beck. But honestly, I really prefer instrumental music. No lyrics. People get so wrapped up in the lyrics that they just ignore the music behind them (which usually sucks these days anyway). So many songs just have such trite lyrics, especially the new crap on the radio. Like you said, most new rap. The rock too though:

"I hate my parents,
oh I wanna cut myself,
to make the pain go away.
I loved her but she was a whore,
who rocked my world...
I'm a fucking ROCK STAR!"

Silence is truly golden. I really only like to listen to music when I trip. And sometimes not even then.


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #8339217 - 04/28/08 08:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I hear ya!  I spend so much time out in the quiet of my gardens and choose to go to the beach to hear the waves and seagulls at sunset on the week days when the screaming kids are gone.

Leaning towards more instrumental too lately like classical and trippy soundscapes.

I think I am the only adult left in the world who can afford a cell phone that choses not to have one. I hate ringing phones, ring tones. I think I am drawn to the internet for chat because it's quiet.

Those above lyrics you posted are same old emo crap too. Like this greenday song that came on the other day in a restaurant where I caught him singing, " I hate life and I am lazy." :lol: :confused:


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #8341785 - 04/29/08 11:57 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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yes it is ironic.

But if you take a close look at any thread on this forum (especially this one, lol) or any conversation you happen to hear, you will notice that it's nothing more than silly apes chattering back in forth in an attempt at echoic-manifestation of their own delusional/subjective reality (i don't mean this to be condescending. All subjective reality is delusional [don't take my words to seriously or literally, please. This thread has enough nonsense in it already!]).

All philosophic discourse is just ego-centric ranting. And usually its pretty elitist which makes it about as distasteful as it is full of shit.




Oh I agree. But remember this is what we are built for among other things. As long as you remember this you can go ahead and spout that speculation.:monkeydance:


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Icelander]
    #8344122 - 04/29/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

^^ nonsense ^^
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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #8345733 - 04/30/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

more

^^ nonsense ^^

:lol:


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Icelander]
    #8346018 - 04/30/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

When you drop every word & every concept from your mind you see who you really are before conditioning, you are then in a pure state.

Words are still beautiful though

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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Chronic7]
    #8346817 - 04/30/08 06:16 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Allen Ginsberg was going on a meditation retreat some time ago and he told the master that he was going to keep a small notebook and pencil by his side so that he could record the beautiful forays of linguistic love that would arise during meditation. The master asked to see the notebook and pencil. When Ginsberg presented pencil and notebook, the master took the notebook away, saying that the retreat and practice of meditation is about letting go of our concepts, ideas, poetic manifestations etc... no clinging...

but dooood... bummer...that would have probaby been some wonderful stuff to read...forsaking art in the name of...emptiness?  i dunno..worth is?. art is a revealer of Self, if one has reached a certian stage of awareness. This one guitarist Tisziji Munoz spoke of how an artist is commonly a mirror reflecting their karma, but if the artist is to progress on the trail of conscioussness evolution, they can become a window to divinity... art can be integral to the path...

yet, imagine... to be so utterly, completely, totally present and in the moment so as to not cling at all... :tripping:


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Chronic7]
    #8346877 - 04/30/08 06:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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When you drop every word & every concept from your mind you see who you really are before conditioning, you are then in a pure state.

Words are still beautiful though

:peace:






True. But conceptualizing is good for drawing out an idea of what you might want to do for yourself.


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Chronic7]
    #8347601 - 04/30/08 09:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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When you drop every word & every concept from your mind you see who you really are before conditioning, you are then in a pure state.



:peace:






I think you're talking trash. I don't see it as possible. I've known personally many people who  said this and they turned out to be full of it.


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Icelander]
    #8347648 - 04/30/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

it's been done by everyone.


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Icelander]
    #8348191 - 05/01/08 12:51 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Chronic777 said:
When you drop every word & every concept from your mind you see who you really are before conditioning, you are then in a pure state.



:peace:






I think you're talking trash. I don't see it as possible. I've known personally many people who  said this and they turned out to be full of it.




It's harder to do than it sounds, and psychedelics give you a false sense of confidence regarding these matters.

Regardless, I believe that what Chronic said was true.


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8349069 - 05/01/08 10:43 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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Chronic777 said:
When you drop every word & every concept from your mind you see who you really are before conditioning, you are then in a pure state.



:peace:






I think you're talking trash. I don't see it as possible. I've known personally many people who  said this and they turned out to be full of it.




It's harder to do than it sounds, and psychedelics give you a false sense of confidence regarding these matters.

Regardless, I believe that what Chronic said was true.




Yes, yet I think what Ice is saying, he can correct me, is that the minute you go to interact with others again, that pure state gets sucked back into the ego.

The thing with the pure state is that, as much as we might like to believe others are experiencing us embodying it, it's not possible.

Because with every interaction, their is an intention to manipulate/change the purity of that moment, weather it's in a pure state or not.

The only way to be in a pure state is when you are alone doing, thinking, and saying nothing, with zero intentions to accomplish anything in that moment.

It's use is limited to just the self.

The funny thing about it is that, as much as when you are in that state, feeling like you are sharing in the oneness of the all that is with all others, you arn't.

You are having a lone experience.

The cosmic joke friends.................... 

Maybe ice is saying that no such thing as experiencing a pure state of being even exists.:shrug:


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: MokshaIs]
    #8349756 - 05/01/08 01:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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it's been done by everyone.




It's called being in the womb.


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8349765 - 05/01/08 01:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe ice is saying that no such thing as experiencing a pure state of being even exists.


Oh I'm pretty sure it exists, I just don't believe adults can access it. It's just too difficult once programmed with language and thinking. If it happens to all of us as a fleeting state what benefit is that?


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Icelander]
    #8352457 - 05/02/08 02:55 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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it's been done by everyone.




It's called being in the womb.




what about when one is left "speechless"?


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Icelander]
    #8354179 - 05/02/08 03:17 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe ice is saying that no such thing as experiencing a pure state of being even exists.


Oh I'm pretty sure it exists, I just don't believe adults can access it. It's just too difficult once programmed with language and thinking. If it happens to all of us as a fleeting state what benefit is that?




we can surely access it to some degree, even if for a moment. the more we focus on ourselves the more this moment of silence can occur throughout the day. there are practices that allow one to experience these detached states and allow conceptual garble to fleet into the moment.

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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8354224 - 05/02/08 03:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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When you drop every word & every concept from your mind you see who you really are before conditioning, you are then in a pure state.




I think you're talking trash. I don't see it as possible. I've known personally many people who said this and they turned out to be full of it.




It's harder to do than it sounds, and psychedelics give you a false sense of confidence regarding these matters.




yes, this definitely happens, but do all who consume psychedelics fall into this trap? it seems they can help us to understand how we become trapped, if this is the intent. perhaps it depends on the person, maybe our over-confidence is inherent within us whether or not we use psychedelics. or maybe it takes a really intense trip to rip through one's self-deceiving paradigm.

but if this is brought into awareness as much as possible and integrated into the way we perceive the world, psychedelics can definitely be used as a catalyst in moving through such over-egocentricity, even if to some degree.

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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: deranger]
    #8356900 - 05/03/08 07:03 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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When you drop every word & every concept from your mind you see who you really are before conditioning, you are then in a pure state.

:peace:






I think you're talking trash. I don't see it as possible. I've known personally many people who  said this and they turned out to be full of it.





Theres still someone who believes this to not be possible!
You have to go beyond what you believe is possible by going beyond "you", keep trying to find this person who is for or against and see if they are real?
Just try and find the "I" that decides and holds concepts to be true or not. Its very simple to do just keep trying to find who you are...eventually you realise all this i do or dont believe is just a fantasy, which then dissolves and all there is left is reality.

But this reality knows NOTHING, no thought, just reality, you don't suddenly know everything thats possible to know as every thought is taking you from reality not to it. You just feel at complete peace realising everything is perfect.

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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: deranger]
    #8357718 - 05/03/08 01:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe ice is saying that no such thing as experiencing a pure state of being even exists.


Oh I'm pretty sure it exists, I just don't believe adults can access it. It's just too difficult once programmed with language and thinking. If it happens to all of us as a fleeting state what benefit is that?




we can surely access it to some degree, even if for a moment. the more we focus on ourselves the more this moment of silence can occur throughout the day. there are practices that allow one to experience these detached states and allow conceptual garble to fleet into the moment.




As I said If it happens to all of us as a fleeting state what benefit is that?



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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Chronic7]
    #8357732 - 05/03/08 01:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You have to go beyond what you believe is possible by going beyond "you", keep trying to find this person who is for or against and see if they are real?
Just try and find the "I" that decides and holds concepts to be true or not. Its very simple to do just keep trying to find who you are...eventually you realise all this i do or dont believe is just a fantasy, which then dissolves and all there is left is reality.



I'm really sorry you can't see the contradiction (con) here. You are telling me what is true and spewing out your personal (completely subjective) beliefs while telling me that all I need to do is let go of mine. :rolleyes: Do you think you're the bag wan screach rag neesh?


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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Icelander]
    #8358614 - 05/03/08 06:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:As I said If it happens to all of us as a fleeting state what benefit is that?




even though they are transient momentary glimpses, you don't think they can bring more clarity and lucidity in life?

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Re: All [Discourse] is NONSENSE! [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #8358635 - 05/03/08 06:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

nothing but trouble?

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