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polyflakes
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8300699 - 04/18/08 11:42 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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very nice i hope my first grow goes that good
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: polyflakes]
#8322276 - 04/24/08 08:22 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its really pretty straightforward. Just follow the tek closely and keep things as sterile as possible would most likely yield good results. I did not expect this grow to be so successful, in fact, I would have been happy just to make it through the inoculation bit without contamination!
I think patience would help heaps too as I did not rush it at all if you went back to when I first started.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8322323 - 04/24/08 08:50 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks Fahk.
Well i finally found the right time to trip this afternoon. I had half the day off from work and will be going for a 2 week vacation tomorrow so I was in a pretty good mood today.
Came back at about 1pm, had lunch and added a handful of shrooms to my food. I wasn't quite sure how much to take as the shrooms were all dried so i took the cautious route and underdose for this first trip, just to do a test drive.
It would have been just nice had i doubled the dose but i had a pretty good trip nonetheless. The effects came on pretty quickly in about 1/2 hour, and the intensity of the come-on was very similar to acid or a bad e. At one point, i was having difficulty speaking and wanted to just close my eyes, but i was playing with my daughters so i did not have the opportunity to just space off. The effects started going off after over 3 hours and by 6 pm i was back on terra firma.
Once past the initial bit, i brought one of my daughters to the park so that she could entertain herself at the playground while i just lay under the beautiful skies today. I did not get too much visuals and it wasn't that intense, especially after we went outdoors. It was just one peaced out trip today and nothing too hardcore.
The last time i tripped was about 10 years ago and that period resulted in a re-direction of where i was heading. The reason i came into growing shrooms was i wanted to do a 'stocktake' of where i'm headed after these ten years and i'm glad to say that things are on the right track.
I can't wait till i do a proper dose but that would probably be in a months time. Next time round, i would try to score some weed to complement the trip and maybe some no2 to really space it out. I will have to plan it out and see how far i want to take it now that i'm not as much the cowboy that i was before
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Fahkface said: Again, very nice cakes 
Tripping might be somewhat different, now that you're older, since -as you already said- the mood your in and the character that has developed over the years, have an great influence on how the trip develops.
Anyway,y you should be fine. I wish you all the best
Edited by kameleon (04/24/08 09:21 AM)
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: kameleon]
#8322472 - 04/24/08 09:38 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Consuming the fruits with your food isn't the smartest thing to do, since your blood sugar level seems to have an direct influence on how hard you trip.
So, for the next time you shouldn't eat about four hours before the trip. Once you're on, you're not hungry anyway. Not eating too long before a trip, kind of ruins it for me, since I feel very uncomfortable during the trip. So a hearty breakfast of dinner (depending on when you plan to trip) is a personal advise from me 
Another one is get yourself a precise digital scale. The amounts you eat may vary a lot in weight, although they look to be rather small!
Try to get yourself someone to trip with. I think this is quiet important for someone who's "new" to tripping.
And the last thing is not to deal with your daughter, after you've eaten a bigger amount. This is not about you, but once you reached a certain level of trip intensity, you're behaviour might change, especially when you have a bad one. You might scare your daughter a lot, if things turn out to be too crazy!
Anyway, It's good to hear, that your first trip after ten years, turned out to be a nice one
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8322937 - 04/24/08 12:12 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fahkface said: Consuming the fruits with your food isn't the smartest thing to do, since your blood sugar level seems to have an direct influence on how hard you trip.
since when? i've eaten shrooms before on a peanut butter sandwich and i was fine didnt influence how hard i tripped at all
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: icanttype]
#8323046 - 04/24/08 12:54 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Beside my own experience, it's nothing new, that eating in front of taking mushrooms, decreases the intensity of a trip.
I've experienced it multiple times, though this doesn't mean anything.
However, there are multiple appendages what causes this effect.
I've heard different things about it. Weather it's the blood sugar level or simply the fact that you organism has a lot to chew from. Means: if you have a full stomach, the mushrooms ain't assimilated as fast and as good as if you haven't had meal before.
Personally I have bigger problems to with tripping as good as with an empty stomach, even after I've eaten only some chocolate, but don't have any problems when I've eaten puffed rice, which leads me to believe, that there is a relation between the blood sugar level and the trip intensity.
What ever it might be, it's sufficiently known, that eating before a trip, decreases it's intensity.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8323124 - 04/24/08 01:20 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i think eating before the trip is a bad thing but eating it with breakfast lunch or dinner is perfect. Like inside what ur eating..... pizza is the best one to date.... and ice cream just always seems to mellow the trip out..
to the op those are some nice cakes   
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8323242 - 04/24/08 01:59 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fahkface said: Beside my own experience, it's nothing new, that eating in front of taking mushrooms, decreases the intensity of a trip.
I've experienced it multiple times, though this doesn't mean anything.
However, there are multiple appendages what causes this effect.
I've heard different things about it. Weather it's the blood sugar level or simply the fact that you organism has a lot to chew from. Means: if you have a full stomach, the mushrooms ain't assimilated as fast and as good as if you haven't had meal before.
Personally I have bigger problems to with tripping as good as with an empty stomach, even after I've eaten only some chocolate, but don't have any problems when I've eaten puffed rice, which leads me to believe, that there is a relation between the blood sugar level and the trip intensity.
What ever it might be, it's sufficiently known, that eating before a trip, decreases it's intensity.
Are you saying that chocolate will effect blood sugar more than puffed rice? because puffed rice raises blood sugar levels quite fast, it's all about the complex carbs
i see it as if there's food in your stomach it's going to take longer to set in because your stomach has to process that too, if you eat a big full meal before you trip then it's not going to be as intense because you have a full stomach and it's going to take longer for you to feel it and set in, on the other hand when you eat on a completely empty stomach it's going to set in a lot faster and more intense
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: icanttype]
#8324395 - 04/24/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah it's all about how full your stomach is, rather than blood sugar levels. Icanttype and myself are pretty knowledgeable about BSLs
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: zouden]
#8325193 - 04/24/08 10:32 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are you saying that chocolate will effect blood sugar more than puffed rice? because puffed rice raises blood sugar levels quite fast, it's all about the complex carbs
Yes, I say so, since the complex carbs that are included in puffed rice need longer to be broken down into glucose than simple carbs (normal sugar = included in chocolate). Therefore the the blood sugar level doesn't raise as rapidly (and intense), as when you have eaten chocolate = sugar.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8325569 - 04/25/08 12:26 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's not the full picture. The fat content in chocolate slows down the absorption rate of the sugar in it, while the complete lack of fibre in puffed rice means the carbohydrate can be broken down very quickly. As a result, puffed rice will raise your blood sugar level much faster than chocolate.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: zouden]
#8325880 - 04/25/08 02:33 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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what i like to do is eat good one day, stay up all night and not eat the next day. then around noon that next day eat a nice 5-6g's and im set
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Supplier]
#8326544 - 04/25/08 10:51 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's not the full picture. The fat content in chocolate slows down the absorption rate of the sugar in it, while the complete lack of fiber in puffed rice means the carbohydrate can be broken down very quickly. As a result, puffed rice will raise your blood sugar level much faster than chocolate.
You again didn't show the full picture as well 
It's true that fat enfolds the carbs of the chocolate and aggravates the absorption in the intestine. However, chocolate carbs are Monosaccharides, that can be broken down very quickly, while the rice carbs are Polysaccharides, where the break down process is a lot slower and more complicated. The break down of Polysaccharides takes more time than the absorption and break down of Monosaccharides, even if they are fat enfolded.
This means, that the chocolate is absorbed faster than the puffed rice.
BTW: Puffed rice contains fiber, although it's very few
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8326562 - 04/25/08 10:57 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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The GI of puffed rice is 88. Chocolate is more like 70. I'm a diabetic so I have to know the GI of most foods and I would never ever go near puffed rice.
I understand what you're saying re: saccharides, but the difference is not enough to overcome the fat effect and the fact that puffed rice is low in fibre and very processed (and high surface area). Trust me, chocolate has a lower GI.
Which is good...
edit: actually chocolate contains sucrose which is a disaccharide. A crucial difference; the GI of sucrose is only 80 (glucose is 100).
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: zouden]
#8326583 - 04/25/08 11:06 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, I looked that up...
Weird... I was told wrong 
Haha, you've won the battle, but the war ain't over yet! 
So the theory of the blood sugar / trip intensity is more or less vitiated. This can only mean... My god! It has to be the absorption in the stomach!...
Edited by Fahkface (04/25/08 11:07 AM)
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Fahkface]
#8326684 - 04/25/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah that's what I put it down to. I've tripped when my blood sugar was high (since I have a meter) and it didn't seem any different. Haven't tried when it was low, but since that's dangerous for me I wouldn't want to...
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: zouden]
#8326980 - 04/25/08 01:02 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i always wondered about diabetics and shrooms... it seems like it wouldn't be a good idea.... but i guess you can !!!! Thats just part of life for you though.... and if you needed to raise your blood sugar im sure you could.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#8327847 - 04/25/08 05:37 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've injected insulin while tripping. Took me 10x as long because my mind kept wandering around but I did it in the end. When you've had it most of your life it's all pretty automatic. Managing it isn't that hard.
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: zouden]
#8331310 - 04/26/08 04:46 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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zouden said: I've injected insulin while tripping. Took me 10x as long because my mind kept wandering around but I did it in the end. When you've had it most of your life it's all pretty automatic. Managing it isn't that hard.
im on a pump and had to put a new battery in it while i was trippin took me a little while but i did it, mushrooms dont effect blood sugar at all but one thing i read is that LSD slightly raises blood sugars, a slightly raised blood sugar is a lot easier to manage while tripping, than a blood sugar that would rapidly drop and cause you to be low
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Re: 1st Grow, Golden Teacher on BRF & Verm. Need as much input as I go along. [Re: icanttype]
#8331353 - 04/26/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah that would suck balls
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