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InvisibleDannyGlick

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Strange Woodland Agaricus
    #8330324 - 04/26/08 12:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

cap: 3 to 4" across,Obtusely conic to convex to broadly convex to plane.Surface slightly tacky and almost camoflauge(duh because of leaves):rolleyes: in appearance.
gills: Blackish/brown;crowded;free.
annulus:None
stipe: 8-13 cm long; 1-1.5 cm thick; more or less equal,  tapering somewhat at the top; dry; white; smooth; without a ring.Solid.Tough.
habitat:Near a dry ravine in oak,maple,elm forest.Growing from soil/rotting leaf debris.West Virginia. 
bruising:None.
taste and odor: mild pleasant mushroom smell.
season:Late April
spore print:Dark brown






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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: DannyGlick]
    #8330337 - 04/26/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

hmm maybe is psathyrella for those white stems, the picture dont help to much .


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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: cactu]
    #8330353 - 04/26/08 12:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)



Free gills do not suggest Psathyrella.

Edited by DannyGlick (04/26/08 12:17 PM)

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: DannyGlick]
    #8330387 - 04/26/08 12:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Does this match?

http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/gallery/DisplayBlock~bid~5859.asp

I know some of the info. seems a bit off, but may be slightly inaccurate?


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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: DannyGlick]
    #8330396 - 04/26/08 12:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

well that does mean to much some psathyrella have free gill maybe , you can see some new specimen did you remenber if a young specimen have pink gill anf then change to brown that will indicate agaricus for sure. and also if the stem was fragile, and the cap itself , are you sure the spore print is not black . you did notice a ring did you . sometimes is good to see all stages of a mushrooms but still think no agaricus, maybe in the coprinus area what suggest psathyrella.

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #8330407 - 04/26/08 12:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Looks similar,but I think I've got something else here.

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: cactu]
    #8330418 - 04/26/08 12:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yes the young have pinkish/brown gills,should have mentioned that earlier.

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: cactu]
    #8330424 - 04/26/08 12:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

In the Coprinus above, the gills will also be pink or light colored when young.
It seems like a rare find, but I can only reports from UK. :shrug:

Where are you Danny Glick?


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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #8330427 - 04/26/08 12:35 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

West Virginia.

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: DannyGlick]
    #8330435 - 04/26/08 12:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

O yeah, you said that :doh:


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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #8330439 - 04/26/08 12:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Heh.:grin:

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: DannyGlick]
    #8330484 - 04/26/08 12:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

yes , but in agaricus in yung speciemn will be
pink atfirts and ending browm oscure brown,
in psathyrella look some what pinkish-purple at firt and end mostly black or brown or purple brown almost psathyrrella are vary variable.
in coprinus are white-pinkish at first anthen end always black , and also the size of the fruit body count, most coprinopsis are small , and coprinus are bigger and coprinellus in betwen ,some liquiedfied and other not is a hole mess,

agaricus are sometimes small robust in the stemm than any psathyrella and copinunusnosisnellus complex, and they last more or the other specimen are efimerus , the smell psathyrella dont smel to notingg and coprinus smell like water , haha, and agaricus smell like something , well this what is not in my book i like to share maybe you can figure out or someone else ,


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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: cactu]
    #8330592 - 04/26/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Okay,thanks for your efforts.I still think this is Agaricus.What species?Who knows?:shrug:

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: DannyGlick]
    #8333342 - 04/27/08 05:47 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The stature of this mushroom doesn't look like any other Agaricus, I agree with Cactu that this is Psathyrella.

That Coprinus does seem to match, really looks like it but my guess is that its not that.

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8333350 - 04/27/08 06:00 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Actually, it IS one of the deliquescing species. You can tell by looking at the gills in this photo:



First of all, the lamelle are too closely spaced to be Psathyrella.
Second, if you look at the colour of the gills where the gills meet the stipe, you can see where the gills are still barely whitish. The deliquescing species start off with white gills, and as they age the gills begin to darken, beginning at the margin of the cap, and working up to the top near where the stipe meets. Psathyrella doesn't do this, but Coprinus, Coprinopsis, Coprinellus, and Parasola mature in this fashion.


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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: CureCat]
    #8333365 - 04/27/08 06:28 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yea the close free gills are very Coprinopsis-like.

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8333701 - 04/27/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I see what you guys are saying,and clearly you all know mushrooms.I'm going to check around there for some better specimens.I still disagree, but not in a spiteful way.Thanks.

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: DannyGlick]
    #8334546 - 04/27/08 03:35 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

> I see what you guys are saying,and clearly you all know mushrooms.I'm going to check around there for some better specimens.I still disagree, but not in a spiteful way.Thanks.

Ok good to see that you are not blindly accepting what other people say.

Your camera seems decent, get some more shots in various stages of growth.

I kind of doubt it will turn out to be Agaricus, I am thinking that Curecat has it this time.

There are some really big Agaricus and some really little Agaricus, but I haven't seen any that didn't look like an Agaricus. All the Agaricus around here is big but Cactu and I found some really tiny ones in Mexico. They were in habitats that other mushrooms didn't do too well in, they seem to have found an interesting niche.

Here is a crazy one I just found on google:



Agaricus haemorrhoidarius - Bleeding Agaricus

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8334712 - 04/27/08 04:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Found these 2 smaller ones,the older ones in the first pics had leaf fragments stuck to the cap,these are pretty clean younger ones.Gills are already dark on these ones as well.


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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: DannyGlick]
    #8334759 - 04/27/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Those look a lot more like Agaricus. Any yellow or red staining on them? How do they smell? Some macro shots of the underside would help.

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8334765 - 04/27/08 05:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

No staining at all.They have a mild mushroom smell to them.Nothing out of the ordinary.

Edited by DannyGlick (04/27/08 05:27 PM)

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: DannyGlick]
    #8334776 - 04/27/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

What shade of brown is the spore print?

Did you pick the pictured ones?

If so it would help to have a clear pic of the cross section, if you didn't pick them it would help to have a pic of what they look like tomorrow.

Are you sure its the same species in the last pic as the first ones?

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8334790 - 04/27/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Dark choclate brown with a slight reddish tint I guess.Goddamn this site is slow today.

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8334807 - 04/27/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah,I didnt pick them.They are all over the place back there though.Maybe Tuesday I'll bring some home.Found some little ground dwelling Volvariella today.I did bring one of those home.

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: DannyGlick]
    #8336301 - 04/28/08 12:21 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: CureCat]
    #8336471 - 04/28/08 01:26 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

They resemble Coprinopsis atramentaria,I'll say that.Still not sold on that ID.Tuesday I'm going to collect some of these and cross section and so forth.You guys are very helpful,thanks.

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: DannyGlick]
    #8339878 - 04/28/08 10:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Remember to photograph/collect specimens in various stages of development.


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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: CureCat]
    #8340685 - 04/29/08 01:53 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You got it.

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8341640 - 04/29/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I think you'll find that it might be an older Agaricus augustus. Thats what it looks like to me

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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: DannyGlick]
    #8383134 - 05/09/08 08:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Danny, did you ever collect any? Did you observe their deterioration?


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Re: Strange Woodland Agaricus [Re: CureCat]
    #8384236 - 05/10/08 02:24 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Couldn't remember where I was.Story of my life.:smirk:

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