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Drugging kids.
    #8329676 - 04/26/08 07:11 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not sure if this is more fitting in politics, or here. Well, that's not important. I know there's a whole bunch of people here that take various ampethamines and SSRI's recreationally. As adults, I can't make decisions for people. I do not believe that it is in the best interest to be giving such powerful mind altering chemicals to growing kids.


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Re: Drugging kids. [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #8329688 - 04/26/08 07:16 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I would likely, in my opinion, be dead if not for SSRIs prescribed to me when I was 13-15.

Not saying their for everyone, but there are certainly cases in which they can make a difference.


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Re: Drugging kids. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8330340 - 04/26/08 12:07 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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I would likely, in my opinion, be dead if not for SSRIs prescribed to me when I was 13-15.

Not saying their for everyone, but there are certainly cases in which they can make a difference.




Ya, the real problem is that cases like yours, which is legitimate, are commonly confused with kids who are just fine.

But parents are ill informed, have insurance, and just say better safe than sorry. Then a normal kid is put on these drugs. I just think there needs to be a better screening process for putting children on drugs.


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Re: Drugging kids. [Re: Nephlyte]
    #8336397 - 04/28/08 12:54 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I agree that this is a horrible issue, both morally and politically, however, Drug company promises Dr. X kickback, Dr. X more likely to tell parent kid needs drugs, parent buys drug for kid, Dr. X meets quota, drug company makes money off of pill, so they pay politicians to avoid the issue, and the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
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Re: Drugging kids. [Re: gigsalot]
    #8336420 - 04/28/08 01:03 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

What about...

Parent takes kid to doctor.
Doctor diagnoses kid.
Kid gets medicine.
Kid gets better.

Or does this not happen in your world?


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Drugging kids. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8337602 - 04/28/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Madtowntripper said:
What about...

Parent takes kid to doctor.
Doctor diagnoses kid.
Kid gets medicine.
Kid gets better.

Or does this not happen in your world?




It happens in my world, but there is much evidence pointing towards an increase in mis diagnosis due to kickbacks offered by drug companies. I'm familiar with this topic both via literature and personal experience.

I have one particular friend that went into the doctor for a physical, doctor asked her how her classes were going. She said fine other than sometimes they're boring. She was immediately prescribed 40mg of Adderall a day. She doesn't feel she needs them so she stalks up on them for finals and friends.

Children do get sick and doctors can help them. However,many medications are over-prescribed because of the pharmaceutical companies bribing doctors and paying researchers to not explore certain aspects of a drug during it's experimental investigation.

Biomedical ethics is a lot more complicated than a bunch of nice men/women dressed in white coats thinking about the patient first. This is almost always because of economical and social issues.

Do these things not happen in your world?

Also, I find that the amphetamines are a little more of a problem than the SSRI's. Anti-depressants aren't as abused as widely as the amphetamines salts and Ritalin(this is an assumption I have no scientific backing for this one). On top of that, I don't see meds being prescribed to someone that's 13-15 as being AS bad as the ADHD meds prescribed to very young children(considering the teen isn't ignorant and irresponsible about their prescription). When an SSRI is prescribed to a teen, typically the teen is seeking this prescription (whether legit or not), with the ADHD meds it's typically the PARENT thinking something is wrong with the child, when really the parent just doesn't have enough time to play with there kid and want the thing to shut up.


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Re: Drugging kids. [Re: gigsalot]
    #8337692 - 04/28/08 01:54 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Do these things not happen in your world?





I wouldn't argue that these things never happen. But I think the good outweighs the bad by an enormous amount.


No system is perfect, of course. But I'll take my health-care in America as opposed to any other country on the planet, thanks.


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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Drugging kids. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #8338341 - 04/28/08 05:01 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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gigsalot said:
Do these things not happen in your world?





I wouldn't argue that these things never happen. But I think the good outweighs the bad by an enormous amount.


No system is perfect, of course. But I'll take my health-care in America as opposed to any other country on the planet, thanks.





LoL With that I agree! I don't regret our systems being quarky either, then we couldn't have conversations like this.

Peace!


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Re: Drugging kids. [Re: gigsalot]
    #8338362 - 04/28/08 05:05 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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gigsalot said:
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Madtowntripper said:
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gigsalot said:
Do these things not happen in your world?





I wouldn't argue that these things never happen.  But I think the good outweighs the bad by an enormous amount.


No system is perfect, of course.  But I'll take my health-care in America as opposed to any other country on the planet, thanks.





LoL With that I agree! I don't regret our systems being quarky either, then we couldn't have conversations like this.

Peace!




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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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