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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: Noviseer]
    #8321169 - 04/23/08 09:59 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe I'm not getting any closer to the "truth" but I don't care, what's the truth anyway?

Thank you for stating the obvious (to some of us at least)


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: mycould]
    #8321171 - 04/23/08 10:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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mycould said:
At this current period of existence that is an IMPOSSIBLE request.




Not according to Middleman.

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When the fuck will I actually get to witness one?




We are witnessing the miraculous unfolding of the impossible in to the actual, right now.

We just can't see the forest for the trees sometimes.




I'm just looking for examples... since he accused someone of "missing the forest for the trees".

I think I'm jealous... 'cause I see neither a forest nor trees.

But I do smell bullshit.


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: Noviseer]
    #8321211 - 04/23/08 10:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You should know by now that the, "I make my own definitions for words" argument doesn't work around here.

Semantics ARE God.


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: Rose]
    #8321213 - 04/23/08 10:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: Icelander]
    #8321236 - 04/23/08 10:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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You should know by now that the, "I make my own definitions for words" argument doesn't work around here.

Semantics ARE God.




ah so that's the game...


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: Noviseer]
    #8321284 - 04/23/08 10:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

It helps us communicate.


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: Noviseer]
    #8321293 - 04/23/08 10:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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ah so that's the game...



If proper communication is a game, then yes.

'Cause we're in a FORUM... you know... a place where people COMMUNICATE, SHARE and DEBATE IDEAS.

Communication IS the game and it would be nice if you would play along.

The person who refuses to use words properly on a forum... more often than not... fails to make their point.

Try using the improper words in the Cultivation forum... see how far you get.


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: Rose]
    #8321368 - 04/23/08 10:35 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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We are witnessing the miraculous unfolding of the impossible in to the actual, right now.

We just can't see the forest for the trees sometimes.




See Middleman was trying to communicate a sentiment--a poetic idea.

And instead of responding to the heart of the notion, you pointed out that, pursuant to the rules of logic, something impossible cannot become actual. But you know very well that's not what he meant. You contradicted him but avoided substance of the statement. Rather than playing a word game, why not put in your two cents, tell us why this world isn't a miraculous unfolding after all?


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: TheCow]
    #8321675 - 04/24/08 12:13 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:

When the fuck will I actually get to witness one?




We are witnessing the miraculous unfolding of the impossible in to the actual, right now.

We just can't see the forest for the trees sometimes.



Yea man! Dont you get it? Its the impossible in to the actual, and its right fucking NOW! SHIT nigga, amazing! Alert the crew men, this earth is goin to funky town, shit is gonna be all wild, hell yea, its happening right now! Its just invisible, also you cant feel it, notice it, or interact in anyway with this amazing shit! But its real, oh yes, it is real




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Middleman said:
We are witnessing the miraculous unfolding of the impossible in to the actual, right now.

We just can't see the forest for the trees sometimes.




See Middleman was trying to communicate a sentiment--a poetic idea.

And instead of responding to the heart of the notion, you pointed out that, pursuant to the rules of logic, something impossible cannot become actual. But you know very well that's not what he meant. You contradicted him but avoided substance of the statement. Rather than playing a word game, why not put in your two cents, tell us why this world isn't a miraculous unfolding after all?


Quoted for truth and everyone else has got heads in ass I don't care fuck it's whack... it's not the debate forum it's the Philosophy and Spirituality forum... fucking know it alls... It's not a game... it is a big stupid fallacy to whoever it is you were arguing with posters and yeah whatever... Equivocations leads to double standards and miscommunication so you all fail.


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: Noviseer]
    #8321796 - 04/24/08 01:08 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Noviseer said:
Rather than playing a word game, why not put in your two cents, tell us why this world isn't a miraculous unfolding after all?




You keep dodging my questions... while speaking utter nonsense.

Consider that... then ask yourself:

Why the hell would I answer YOUR question?



Yeah Novi... teach me about spirituality and how the world works... :rolleyes:


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: Rose]
    #8321800 - 04/24/08 01:13 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

No, why don't you? Ugh... Read my post cause it's directed to people like you. I'm going to get banned again because I can barely withhold my anger.

Ugh... WHY DON'T YOU? No? THEN SHHHHHHHHH


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: allisthesame]
    #8321812 - 04/24/08 01:22 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I wasn't talking to you.

And I can hardly make sense of your posts.

I actually understand what Noviseer is TRYING to say... but I have no idea what you are talking about.


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: Rose]
    #8321840 - 04/24/08 01:42 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

One's spiritual smugness is directly proportional to one's ease in getting angry.


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: Rose]
    #8321883 - 04/24/08 02:11 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I wasn't talking to you.

And I can hardly make sense of your posts.

I actually understand what Noviseer is TRYING to say... but I have no idea what you are talking about.




I am agreeing with him, of course. You are playing semantic games in some attempt to make your own understanding of what you are discussing and you simply can't let go of your views; so by arguing, like you are, you can't see past your own egotistical perspective on what is being portrayed. The man says poetry... you say hogwash? I am agreeing with him when he says you are in the pursuit of logic and creating fallacies to suit your logic, which sucks because said poetry was beyond you and you can't or won't see it. And it's upsetting... like this dude above me stated, in general, anger will be this and that and I'm sure it was directed in my general direction... so what I say to that? I don't know exactly, it wasn't directly directed at me.


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: allisthesame]
    #8321909 - 04/24/08 02:35 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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which sucks because said poetry was beyond you and you can't or won't see it




Well, I stand corrected.

Shakespeare eat your heart out. :rolleyes:

It is cute when people think I don't "Understand" this Americanized McDonalds version of the Jack-Buddhist, New-Age pseudo-spirituality they preach.

It is funny when they act like they are somehow above me. Is that ego-loss? How enlightening...

Keep the personalisms out of the argument.

Debate the thought, not the person.

Personal assumptions are not allowed in here.

Besides, if you had a leg to stand on... you'd still be arguing your CASE instead of assuming I am not capible of understanding something as simpile as quasi-Buddhism. You'd be making a LEGITIMATE POINT instead of creating new definitions for words.

Your actions and tactics betray your argument.


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: Rose]
    #8321935 - 04/24/08 03:12 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Refer yourself to your signature. Wise words... How do you define action on a message boards anyway? Tactics I can understand but to know someone's actions on the internet is impossible.

quote "It is funny when they act like they are somehow above me. Is that ego-loss? How enlightening..."

and that isn't arguing with personalisms?

You seem to be connoting to something I'm not quite getting yourself, so care to enlighten me?

You like debating, it's clear... you're wrong though, about wether or not anyone is putting themselves above you or not. Ahhh... there is no point, you'll just point out some logical fallacy on my part and counter the point I'm trying to see through... it's useless with this quasi-intellectual - quasi-buddhism mish-mash going on in your posts. ACTually it's pretty fucking stupid, in my opinion...


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: allisthesame]
    #8323198 - 04/24/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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quote "It is funny when they act like they are somehow above me. Is that ego-loss? How enlightening..."

and that isn't arguing with personalisms?






You draw a little blood, and I'll strike back. Believe me, I was gentle.

'Tis physics... every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Hope you can take what you give... God knows I'll live.


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: allisthesame]
    #8323475 - 04/24/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Refer yourself to your signature. Wise words...




Thank you.

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How do you define action on a message boards anyway? Tactics I can understand but to know someone's actions on the internet is impossible.




In this sense... both words mean the same thing. Tactics are actions... so typing your thoughts in the manor you type them... that is an action.

Last night when you wrote about how you were SO ANGRY you couldn't contain yourself... THAT was an action. Or, if you prefer, THAT was a tactic.

Last night, when you accused me of knowing nothing about poetry... THAT was an action.

Last night, when you DENIED THE ACTUAL DEFINITIONS OF WORDS, because they didn't fit your needs, THAT was an action.

People use tactics or actions to get what they want.

The root of the word action is the same as in the word actual: ACT.

ACTion is what you DO...

ACTual is something that does what it DOES.

In this case, your ACTions were ACTually quite TELLing.

I'd love to play poker with you.

:smile:


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: Rose]
    #8323903 - 04/24/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I know, I open like a book sometimes... my anger is like... I don't know, not always bad but is a very hilarious trait of mine. Sometimes it's unconventional but I can turn the tables pretty easy using my own connotations and shit... but I can at least admit when I am lying and telling the truth. Some can't in my experience...

But yeah, I didn't really mean that you didn't know about poetry but I was only saying that you seemingly didn't look at was being said as poetry to be poetry but as some form of debate... or at least that is what Noviseer was suggesting, so I backed him up cause I agreed with him. I hate it when people connote to something else and avoid the question at hand which we all do to different degrees. I think you were both doing it... sorry, but that is just what I saw.

And I know the actual definitions of words, and I never needed words to be denied from their meaning... I just used your words.


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Re: Always coming soon, but never here and now [Re: allisthesame]
    #8323956 - 04/24/08 05:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I think you were both doing it... sorry, but that is just what I saw.




Yes, or to put it into Novi's terms... we were BOTH playing a game. I enjoy game playing... I enjoy my humanity. I play games. We all do.

But let's move on...

Look at the title of this thread. Then look at the first post. Then read the rest of the thread. (You have already done this I know... but I wanted to get back on topic. :wink: )

The question posed by the OP is actually quite interesting.

From the dawn of history, people have believed the end was near... or that transcendence was around the corner. Humans have always believed in mysterious creatures like dragons or aliens... but they have not yet been proven to ACTually exist.

Why is that?

Good question... but...

Time and time again, people come into threads like this with a poopy attitude and pretend they know more about things than they actually do. They claim that things exist... when there is no proof of their existence. This has nothing to do with the questions posed in the original post.

The simple solution to this problem is obvious.

The one thing theologians, conspiracy buffs, new agers and realists share in common... are WORDS.

As long as we ALL use words properly we can have great conversations... even if we disagree... and if that isn't why people post here... they should find a new fucking hobby.

When I see a thread like this, intentionally mis-interpreted by people who can't defend themselves with facts... I will call them out on it.

Novi has a point, but it is a point best made in another thread.

Middleman has a point... if he could back it up with examples.

And you'd have a point too, if you'd stop defending the side without any evidence.

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