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    #8299959 - 04/18/08 07:41 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I also found these yesterday growing out the side of a fallen/decaying tree. To me they look just like the ones the GGreatone234 found in a recent post. I should have a spore print tonight. But from what I could tell it will be orange. My hands turned bright orange when picking these. I can crop these shots if need be, please let me know as I'm curious if these are some active gyms. I am noticing a slight bit of bruising near the lower stems.

habitat- growing out of a decaying tree (pine, I think)

gills- light orange

stem- tanish orange

cap- orange

spore print- (will have tonight and post Monday), but bright orange spores were all around this cluster

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Re: ID request - Florida [Re: shroomgatherer]
    #8300023 - 04/18/08 08:26 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Can gyms grow in pastures? Ive found shrooms similar to those before with the same bluing reaction, but they were in a pasture.

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Re: ID request - Florida [Re: shroomgatherer]
    #8300182 - 04/18/08 09:28 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like a Gymnopilus species to me. Not sure exactly which species though. Looks very similar to luteofolius I've found in Washington.

Any chance you can get a close-up of the bruising?


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Re: ID request - Florida [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #8300357 - 04/18/08 10:13 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks BlimeyGrimey :thumbup:, I will get a close up (macro-mode) shot tonight of the stems and a close up of the gills. I'll post this weekend or Monday at the latest.


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Re: ID request - Florida [Re: shroomgatherer]
    #8300428 - 04/18/08 10:30 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

A macro mode of the top of the cap would be helpful as well.

They look really nice, are some of those stem bases turning blue?

How is the flavor?

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Re: ID request - Florida [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #8300430 - 04/18/08 10:31 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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BlimeyGrimey said:
Looks like a Gymnopilus species to me.

Any chance you can get a close-up of the bruising?




what he said

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Re: ID request - Florida [Re: shroomgatherer]
    #8300526 - 04/18/08 10:57 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

They seem to match up.
I have not found the time to study the Gymnopilus specimens from those pictures yet.
Right now I would assume that we have found G. liquiritiae.

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    #8300739 - 04/18/08 11:52 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks guys.
Some of the stem bases have a slight greenish-blue color. I will be sure to get some macro shots of the top one and try to show the bluing. They smell very strong of mushroom. My apartment now smells like a giant mushroom. I may cut a piece and put it on the back of my tongue for flavor (but not to eat) tonight.
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Re: ID request - Florida [Re: shroomgatherer]
    #8300790 - 04/18/08 12:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

ya i hope these are active i have some as well. but mine are bluing around the bases of the stems


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    #8300858 - 04/18/08 12:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Hey again guys. I am in the process of doing field research with the Florida Gymnopilus, and plan on constructing a detailed journal-like paper about these mushrooms, complete with photographs and illustrations macro and microscopic. I would appreciate having more then just my own collections for the material studied. Gymnopilus mushrooms in Florida typically are not seen much in April. Late-June and Early-July is the window to find (sometimes spectacular amounts) in Florida. Full dried specimens collected from the same tree stump (for some reason I suspect you collected yours from Oak not Pine). A spore print might help but not necessary. In the field get good clear images of them as they were found, one of the caps, one of the gills and stipes and one of the bluing/greening you described. Carefully make the collection then put the fresh mushrooms on clean white paper with a ruler next to the mushrooms (make sure it has centimeters) and make the images as clear as possible with macro if you have it. Let the specimens dry naturally maybe with a fan in the room. It would be helpful and your collection would be in good hands.

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Re: ID request - Florida [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #8301137 - 04/18/08 02:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

what do i need to send you? a mushroom? a gill? a cap?


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Re: ID request - Florida [Re: 4hodipt]
    #8301306 - 04/18/08 02:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I just PM'd shroomgatherer about how it needs to be done.
Ask him for a transcript of it and maybe you guys work together on this.
PM me any questions regarding how to submit the collections.
Anyone else in Florida that would like to include their Gymnopilus collections this year let me know.
By the time July rolls around the genus Gymnopilus in Florida will once again become monumentally confusing, it never fails, but I was not as well equipt to do this the last time there was a banner Gym year in the state.
Some days finding 10 different Gymnopilus species in a few hours, it gets overwhelming.
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Re: ID request - Florida [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #8303807 - 04/19/08 08:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

uppin the thread, anymore info on these?


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Re: ID request - Florida [Re: 4hodipt]
    #8304972 - 04/19/08 04:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Very busy right now but I will eventually figure this out.

It would help to see your collection closer up to show more detail. Describe the bluing more. Was it blue, blue/green, or green? Was it staining this color at the base of the stipes flesh, or just staining at the mycelium at the base, or both? How many of these specimens did you observe bluing on? And did any of them have a noticeable veil attached to the stem?

The Oak tree stump that I photographed and collected the possible two different species of Gym from that day with one of them in the print out in your image, was removed, the whole dam thing, just the largest tree stump I have ever seen in Florida. I have to ask about why they did that, and more pressing of a question is How it was done. They took the roots and everything..

The data that I gathered in the field today is interested.. I photographed and made various collections of more psychoactive Gymnopilus of some sort, probably two species again.. I just don't have the time to research them much yet.. patience. Just keep finding the Gyms, photograph them as much as you can, save the dried samples, label them, measure them, the whole shabang; ask shroomgatherer how it should be done.

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Re: ID request - Florida [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #8305195 - 04/19/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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By the time July rolls around the genus Gymnopilus in Florida will once again become monumentally confusing, it never fails, but I was not as well equipt to do this the last time




I hear ya Big G :thumbup:


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Re: ID request - Florida [Re: shroomgatherer]
    #8305837 - 04/19/08 08:05 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ok I looked through a few books. I have identified my own collection as Gymnopilus liquiritiae. I can not see much detail on your specimens. Next time lay them all out, close to eachother but not touching, and get some close ups. Put a ruler with centimeters in the collection images also. Always use the macro function and try to make the photograph indoors with natural light, and get images with and without the flash. One of the first features observed to key out species within the genus Gymnopilus is whether it has a veil or not. Your specimens do not look like any of yours have veils from here, and G. liquiritiae do not have veils. Next make note of the Gymns habitat or what it is growing from. G. liquiritiae is most commonly found growing from decaying conifer wood (pine) and occassionally on other types of decaying hardwood such as Oak. The distribution matches up for this species because it has been recorded to grow in the state. Next is the bluing or blue/green type color the mushroom stains and also what parts of the mushroom are staining that color. I do not notice any blue color on the stem bases in your collection, probably because it is not always easy to capture a slight blue color in a image. Also, G. liquiritiae does not exhibit bluing on every specimen, and that is common for a lot of the neurotropic species of Gymn. I have never consumed this species before, but I would probably try it, probably only consuming the specimens that exhibit a blue or green type color bruising reaction. Some species of magic Gymns have been noted to contain some toxic (that might be the wrong word) chemicals along with the psilocybin type chemicals and are not said to be very safe to eat. This is within the genus of Gymnopilus, and the only one that I have read might have those 'toxic' type chemicals is G. luteoviridis (this is probably discussed in much better detail in Mycologia 51: 533-534. 1959.). G. luteoviridis has a annulus represented by a fibrillose zone near the apex. They are found growing cepsitose (or stems clumped and clustered together) on Oak stumps. The stems frequently stain or bruise the color green, and the caps will also stain green on occassion. They have been reported from Texas and Michigan, and probably by myself the other weekend in Florida (though they have not been documented yet). So that is the identification of your mushrooms: Gymnopilus liquiritiae.

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